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Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:08 PM

I don't ask for this kind of help often but a high school buddy

On FB is claiming that yesterday (inauguration day and subsequent activities) was a super spreader event. I asked for clips and he responded that Garth Brooks did not follow safety measures. I said I would review his appearance. Then he says politicians and celebrities were piling in and out of limos for the “events”? And I said pls show me the video give me a link.

Unbelievable. The guy pretends to be in the middle politically. I’m very curious where he gets his news from.

I wouldn’t normally pursue such a thing on fb. But I think where I can it’s important to call people to account.

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Reply I don't ask for this kind of help often but a high school buddy (Original post)
ALBliberal Jan 2021 OP
dweller Jan 2021 #1
Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #12
Arne Jan 2021 #2
moonscape Jan 2021 #3
Midnightwalk Jan 2021 #4
marble falls Jan 2021 #5
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #6
ALBliberal Jan 2021 #10
Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #13
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #16
Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #17
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #18
Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #23
cwydro Jan 2021 #19
LisaL Jan 2021 #22
ALBliberal Jan 2021 #7
bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #8
Mr. Sparkle Jan 2021 #9
Ms. Toad Jan 2021 #11
LisaL Jan 2021 #20
mackdaddy Jan 2021 #14
GulfCoast66 Jan 2021 #15
LisaL Jan 2021 #21

Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:13 PM

1. On GMA ABC this morning

they showed clip of Brooks hugging ex-presidents when leaving with no mask on,
did say everyone had been tested in last 48 hrs before event

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Response to dweller (Reply #1)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:37 PM

12. Testing makes absolutely no difference.

All it means it that at the moment of testing, they were not shedding virus. Not that they are not infected or contagiuos at the time of the event. That was the Trump policy, and it was a disastrous failure.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:14 PM

2. There were superspreading events in all the bars where Magats were drowning their tears.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:20 PM

3. A quick google got me to a dailycaller.com

bit quoting a question Ruhle asked about this the day before,,, saying if it was Trump we’d bbe criticizing the size. But honestly, context is everything and one can’t prove a negative. There was a reddit link but I didn’t follow any beyond daily caller because I was too busy showering after going there.

Personally I’d leave it as you did with the burden of proof on your friend.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:24 PM

4. It's a typical deflection

Garth Brooks shouldn’t have done that and we don’t condone it. Not the same thing as no one or hardly anyone doing the right thing and republicans defending it.

They do the same thing all the time. One democrat votes the wrong way on an issue and that’s presented as equal to all republicans voting the wrong way.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:34 PM

5. It's alright, he just needs some new tin foil for his hat.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:39 PM

6. Not hardly

It was an outdoor event where every person who was there had to take a PCR Covid test prior to attendance. The Inaugural Committee ran the testing and ensured that only those tested attended.

People were masked, there were some exuberant people who forgot to put their mask back on and came in close personal contact but not for more than 15 minutes(clearly the 6 foot rule was broken) per the CDC guidelines

Social distancing was at a maximum. If you look at the platform this year and the past 24 years, you can see the difference in spacing.

After each speaker, the podium was Disinfected.

There are usually about 240,000 people in Capitol grounds, yesterday there were less then 2500 excluding security personnel.

This was not a super spreader event in any way, shape or form. It was conducted under CDC guidelines and with best practices adhered to.

Feel free to tell your friend that he is absolutely incorrect.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:28 PM

10. Wow great information thank you.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:40 PM

13. Please do not tout PCR tests as if they are significant for preventing transmission.

They are not.

All a negative test, PCR or otherwise means, is that at the moment of the test (not on the day of inauguration) they were negative - to the extent the test was accurate.

It is not an effective means of preventing super-spreader events.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:01 PM

16. Yes but, when bringing people together it is much safer to have them tested than not

The test clearly helps to weed out people who are positive. Could it miss some, yes, but I’d you test positive as I did, you should clearly not be there.

Once I knew I was positive I did everything I could to protect family, co workers and friends. The positive test changed who I came in contact with ( no one)

Testing, and a vibrant testing program will help to stop the spread of Covid.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #16)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:05 PM

17. Testing is very effective as part of a contact tracing, to inform recent contacts to isolate

those who are not yet infected to avoid infecting others.

Far less so as a justification for abandoning masks and social distancing - which is how it is being used in your post and at least two others in this thread (since the OP was asking why this was not a super-spreader event - and everyone tested negative is the pat answer from the Trump administration as to why it was safe to remove masks and abandon social distancing).

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #17)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:20 PM

18. Actually in my post I state the first step was testing

After people tested negative they were admitted and required to be masked, social distancing at an outdoor event was put in place and disinfecting was performed between speakers. All of the steps taken in totality created a safe environment for the Inauguration of President Biden

In the Trump Whitehouse, people would use the Abbott rapid test, which is not as reliable as PCR, one once they cleared they would not social distance, not mask and I never saw disenfecting going on. See the difference of the two tests below

Antigen test (frequently referred to as a rapid test). This test detects protein fragments specific to the Coronavirus. It can be done in a clinic, doctor’s office, or hospital. Turnaround time for results is usually very quick and in some cases, results can be reported within 15 minutes.

PCR test. PCR testing is considered the “gold standard” in SARS-CoV-2 detection. This test actually detects RNA (or genetic material) that is specific to the virus and can detect the virus within days of infection, even those who have no symptoms. The test can be done in a clinic, hospital, or even in your car. Turnaround time is longer, generally in the 2-3 day range but results can be in as little as 24 hours. When demand is high, results can take a week or longer.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #18)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:47 PM

23. The OP was expressly talking about failure to follow safety protocols.

You, and at least two others in the thread responded - at least in part - that it wasn't a superspreader because everyone tested negative within 48 hours of the event.

Adding a PCR testing on top of following masking and social distancing is dramatically different from using it to justify piling into limos to go to events, or going maskless.

I know the difference between PCR and antigen testing. I've had both numerous times. While PCR testing is far more accurate, by the time you get the results it measures your status at a point in time two days ago - which is why it is far more effective when combined with contact tracing. Asking people in close contact with the person who tested positive who are now (as of the day of the event) is far more likely minimize spreading the virus than limiting contact with the person who - 48 hours to a week ago - was positive. Anyone who tests negative on a test taken 48 hours ago may well have been with a positive person on the day of the test, have contracted it, and those contacts (who do not yet have results from post-contact tests) are likely to be at or near peak contagion at the time of the event.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #13)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:22 PM

19. Thank you.

I can’t believe people haven’t learned this yet.

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Response to bottomofthehill (Reply #6)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:33 PM

22. As far as I can tell, 15 minutes is pretty much an arbitrary figure.

There are plenty of people who can't figure out where and how they got infected.
If you couldn't get infected in less than 15 minutes, i really doubt we'd have all these people confused as to how they got infected.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:39 PM

7. I reviewed and posted the Garth Brooks clip

And honestly all I saw was a masked man taking the mask off to sing and quickly shaking hands (of masked people) as he finished and noted it was all outside.

All good! I never liked him anyway (small high school 250 grad class)! Haha. Easy to unfriend that one!

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:40 PM

8. Not hardly

It was an outdoor event where every person who was there had to take a PCR Covid test prior to attendance. The Inaugural Committee ran the testing and ensured that only those tested attended.

People were masked, there were some exuberant people who forgot to put their mask back on and came in close personal contact but not for more than 15 minutes(clearly the 6 foot rule was broken) per the CDC guidelines

Social distancing was at a maximum. If you look at the platform this year and the past 24 years, you can see the difference in spacing.

After each speaker, the podium was Disinfected.

There are usually about 240,000 people in Capitol grounds, yesterday there were less then 2500 excluding security personnel.

This was not a super spreader event in any way, shape or form. It was conducted under CDC guidelines and with best practices adhered to.

Feel free to tell your friend that he is absolutely incorrect.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 09:41 PM

9. Everyone there was tested and clean.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:35 PM

11. That was Trump's policy.

It doesn't work.

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Response to Mr. Sparkle (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:27 PM

20. The idea that if everyone is tested then it's okey doesn't hold water.

Test doesn't turn positive right away. Someone with covid could be highly infectious several days before symptoms.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 10:49 PM

14. You want to see an event with no or few masks google photos of Trumps sendoff at Andrews.

Other than the military, almost no masks, and those few that did were dick-nosing it.

Same for Trumps stop the steal murder mob event.

Bidens inauguration was as safe as could be made possible.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:00 PM

15. I like Garth. Not so music, but he's a good guy.

He got a little carried away when he saw President Obama and the others. But I don’t think it was a risk. I would want to hug them too.

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Response to ALBliberal (Original post)

Thu Jan 21, 2021, 11:29 PM

21. It's only a super spreader event if multiple people start turning covid positive.

So far we haven't heard of anyone testing positive after the event.
I personally don't think all the guidelines were followed. But if nobody turns positive, it's not a super spreader event.

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