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A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:36 PM Jan 2021

$465,948,000 minus your state income tax rate.

That's the cash option after the 37% top margin Federal taxes for tonight's Mega Millions, $1 billion dollar jackpot drawing.

Think you could live on that?

LOL...Fun to think about what you could do with that, even though you're more likely to be struck by lightening while being eaten by a Shark!

And for those of you who want to say "It shouldn't be allowed" ...yes it should, it's a lottery.

And for those of you who would say "I'd give it all away except a million", if you structure it right, you could give money away forever, and keep your favorite causes flush for decades after you pass away.

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$465,948,000 minus your state income tax rate. (Original Post) A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 OP
WOW! MuseRider Jan 2021 #1
I buy up farm and ranch land in colorado so... Hotler Jan 2021 #2
I often look and plots of land in suburban areas and think..... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #11
Of course I'd have to have a home for critters. Hotler Jan 2021 #15
Indeed. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #20
Winning odds are 1 in 302,575,350 trc Jan 2021 #3
The best way to receive it is via wire transfer to a brokerage account at a major firm A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #13
My SO says we could do a lot of good and ... Yonnie3 Jan 2021 #4
what's the pony's name? getagrip_already Jan 2021 #5
I'll let you know when we win n/t Yonnie3 Jan 2021 #8
Heck, if she wins, "Jackpot" sounds like a good name to me. nt Blue_true Jan 2021 #22
With all that dough, I'd hold out for two ponies. Dagstead Bumwood Jan 2021 #7
I told her that if she got that pony ... Yonnie3 Jan 2021 #10
That would pay for 1,849 years of my annual medications misanthrope Jan 2021 #6
You could buy a significant stake in the company that makes your medications and tell THEM.... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #19
Great, I no longer play, been at 3 numbers too many times bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #9
I was at a checkout anyway, and saw it was over $900M, so getagrip_already Jan 2021 #14
I would take the tax free option. $1/year for one billion years. Beakybird Jan 2021 #12
LOL! A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #16
well, if they keep you in 20 y.o. clone bodies whenever you need one.... getagrip_already Jan 2021 #17
Check out a TV show on Netflix called Altered Carbon. Renew Deal Jan 2021 #35
I'm down with that! getagrip_already Jan 2021 #36
It's interesting. Renew Deal Jan 2021 #37
Nice post Bobby Bonilla! Renew Deal Jan 2021 #34
My state would get enough to bolster the health plan, maybe! Shrike47 Jan 2021 #18
Is that the lump sum payout? PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #21
Yes. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #23
The amount that the OP listed is the the "current" value, or lump sum payout. Blue_true Jan 2021 #24
Yes. I agree that too many people take the lump sum. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #41
Most people don't have an actual concept of even a $100,000 after Blue_true Jan 2021 #42
So true. PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2021 #43
I like your idea about teaching kind basic personal finance in school. Blue_true Jan 2021 #44
I wish they'd break it up into smaller, but more numerous wins jmbar2 Jan 2021 #25
That would not create the excitement, and hence pull in big wagered money. Blue_true Jan 2021 #26
This sentiment is posted by someone every single time a jackpot reaches this level. EVERY. TIME. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #28
I would go to the Honda dealer... Thunderbeast Jan 2021 #27
That's one expensive gasket! A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #29
Just thinking about what would make me happy! Thunderbeast Jan 2021 #30
No one deserves a leaky hatch. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #31
It should almost be a crime against humanity to NOT be able to live on that Montauk6 Jan 2021 #32
Yet, some people who won a big amount actually have had serious problems Blue_true Jan 2021 #45
I could make it work. Renew Deal Jan 2021 #33
LOL! You and me both! A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #38
You could buy EU citizenship Renew Deal Jan 2021 #39
South Island of New Zealand. A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #40

Hotler

(13,747 posts)
2. I buy up farm and ranch land in colorado so...
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:41 PM
Jan 2021

it could not developed for years. Too much has gone already.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
11. I often look and plots of land in suburban areas and think.....
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:53 PM
Jan 2021

How cool would that be if it was a well kept pasture with a few friendly horses grazing?

I love the idea of keep land free from development, especially in built up areas.

I also like the idea of preserving older homes, particularly the Gothic style so prevalent in many old towns. Refurbish to their original glory and then donate to the town for a library or similar civic purpose.

Like this one, for example;
https://goo.gl/maps/6kxX5cUB7FaspbQ1A

Eufala, AL


Hotler

(13,747 posts)
15. Of course I'd have to have a home for critters.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:58 PM
Jan 2021

Some where on the land. Bless the beast and the children.

trc

(830 posts)
3. Winning odds are 1 in 302,575,350
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:42 PM
Jan 2021

My question is, how do you collect this and where is it deposited? Can't possibly be a regular bank...I don't run in that group so I have no idea how to deal with sums that large.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
13. The best way to receive it is via wire transfer to a brokerage account at a major firm
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:57 PM
Jan 2021

Like Morgan Stanley or similar. You don't have to invest a single penny through the firm, but they can help you set up the various trusts and other accounts you are going to need if you want to be philanthropic and/or give to your family. Like setting up education funds for all the kids/grandkids, etc.

The first call should be made to an attorney who specializes in dealing with High Net Worth clients, preferably NOT IN YOUR HOME TOWN!

The rest...is....an essay!

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
5. what's the pony's name?
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:45 PM
Jan 2021

And will it have a condo at trump tower?

It's a support pony. How could they say no?

Dagstead Bumwood

(6,640 posts)
7. With all that dough, I'd hold out for two ponies.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:49 PM
Jan 2021

It boggles the mind what one could do with that much cash. Think I'd rather win a much smaller, less conspicuous jackpot, say $10M or so and avoid all that limelight. Hell, give me $500K at this point and I'd be thrilled.

Yonnie3

(19,458 posts)
10. I told her that if she got that pony ...
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:53 PM
Jan 2021

she had to take care of it or ...


hire several people to do so.

misanthrope

(9,495 posts)
6. That would pay for 1,849 years of my annual medications
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:49 PM
Jan 2021

provided they didn't rise in price from this point.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
19. You could buy a significant stake in the company that makes your medications and tell THEM....
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jan 2021

What you will pay!

bucolic_frolic

(55,143 posts)
9. Great, I no longer play, been at 3 numbers too many times
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:52 PM
Jan 2021

So here's my random play that I wouldn't play even if I could

16 37 54 55 66

+23

If those match, we'll do it again next week. By February everyone will want my picks.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
14. I was at a checkout anyway, and saw it was over $900M, so
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:58 PM
Jan 2021

I dropped $10.

Why the hell not......

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
16. LOL!
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 08:59 PM
Jan 2021

Still not tax free, however, unless you claim no other income! At least till the earth explodes. Whichever comes first!

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
17. well, if they keep you in 20 y.o. clone bodies whenever you need one....
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:00 PM
Jan 2021

I'd be fine with that also. I'll take my chances on tinder.

Renew Deal

(85,160 posts)
35. Check out a TV show on Netflix called Altered Carbon.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:44 PM
Jan 2021

It's about that topic. They can move your consciousness from body to body.

Renew Deal

(85,160 posts)
37. It's interesting.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:51 PM
Jan 2021

The "hard drive" is moved from body to body. Most of the bodies are manufactured. All look human. I don't think they have any robotic parts.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
21. Is that the lump sum payout?
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:06 PM
Jan 2021

I would certainly try to live on that.

What's truly sad is that whoever does win it, like almost every single big lottery winner, will probably be dead broke in about five years. People don't get that while nearly 500 million dollars is a lot of money, it is not an infinite amount. Most winners stupidly go public about being a winner, which makes them the target of every distant relative or friend who wants some money. Most (although not all) states allow a winner to remain anonymous, which is certainly what I'd do. Not that I buy lottery tickets, but if in some bizarro alternate universe someone handed me a winning ticket.

Actually, if I got handed that much money, I'd boost my personal income somewhat, and then start figuring out how I can give most of it away. The homeless shelter I volunteer at would get a hunk of money, that's for sure. A disease foundation I have a connection to would get something. And I might look at various charities to partner with and give them money.

I would SO love to have a whole lot of money to give away!

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
23. Yes.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:16 PM
Jan 2021

According to the Mega Millions Website, the cash option is $739.6 mil. Minus 37% for the top marginal rate, and you get the number I gave in the OP, give or take a few hundred grand.

If you live in one of the 7 states with no state income tax, you're done. Otherwise, take out the state income tax and that's your take home pay, so to speak.

And of course, if you cash it all out in $100 bills, put them in your mattress and don't do anything with it except pull one out when you need to pay a bill, you'll never pay another cent in income taxes as long as you live.

And you're right about the notoriety.

Disappear when it hits your account. Throw away your cell phone, get a new one that only your attorney, your broker and your most trusted allies know the number, and GET OUT OF DODGE! Leave the country, for at least a year.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
24. The amount that the OP listed is the the "current" value, or lump sum payout.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:22 PM
Jan 2021

In my view, too many people take the lump sum and “financial advisors” foolishly advise people to take the lump sum when the jackpot is that large.

I have not really thought about it much, I don’t have a ticket. But, my feeling is that if a person can, he or she should set up a Trust to accept the 30 year payout, which in this case would be around $33 million per year before taxes. The lottery organization buys an insurance annuity to cover the payout when a person wins. So, in my view, the 30 year payout to a Trust is almost guaranteed. The Trust concept covers the situation where the winner dies before collecting all the 30 payments, since there could be a mechanism for a new Trustee to take over, along with restrictions on that person’s possible decisions concerning the money.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
41. Yes. I agree that too many people take the lump sum.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 10:18 PM
Jan 2021

Which is an important reason most of them are bankrupt in five years. They don't get real financial advisors who would advise taking the 20 or 30 year payout. Nor do they understand, as I mentioned before, that they don't understand that the money is not infinite.

Even people who get a far lower payout, maybe a few hundred thousand dollars, seem to think the money is infinite.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
42. Most people don't have an actual concept of even a $100,000 after
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 10:44 PM
Jan 2021

tax payout. So their capacity to make wise decisions about a large amount of money is limited. Too many go for the lump sum payout, believing that they can “invest” the money, the vast majority can’t, they have no concept of how to do so.

I like the time based payout because it gives people a reprieve when they mis-calculate their ability to manage a large amount of money. Say that they make a mess of managing the first payout. In a year, they get a second chance to get it right, then they have many chances after the second one to improve on their money management, before the money spigot stops flowing.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,493 posts)
43. So true.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 11:41 PM
Jan 2021

The time based payout gives people an opportunity to learn how to handle the very large sum of money they are now in control of.

It's also sadly obvious that there's no class in high school that even begins to approach this problem. Maybe there should be a one-week course in: So you won the lottery? Now What?

I had the good fortune to have an 8th grade math teacher who took one week out of the curriculum in the spring to teach us a bunch of basic things. How to fill out a check. What mortgage interest added up to. It was the kind of basic consumer math that should be but is almost never taught. The kind of things parents should teach their kids but may not be able to.

When my kids were fairly young, I realized that one of the most important tasks I had as a parent was to teach them how to handle money. Whether they would have very little or a lot, wasn't necessarily the issue, but how to manage money was. Too often money and budgets and debt and loans and all those things are never talked about in the home. While kids don't really need to know all the details of their parents' financial situation, there's a lot that probably should be talked about.

Example. When my oldest son went off to college, as part of the freshman week, a lot of local banks had tables encouraging the kids to set up accounts with them. We went with one of the banks, got a checking account established for our son, which included a debit card. I bet you know exactly what's coming. Yep. Back then, some 20 years ago, I had no idea that a debit card could be used to overdraw an account and generate lots of overdraft fees. Nor did my son understand that. So he overdrew and overdrew and overdrew his account, racking up hundreds of dollars in fees. Eventually we got it under control but that's one of the reasons I am so very wary of debit cards.

I think my point is that managing money, whether small or large sums, is not for the faint-hearted.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
44. I like your idea about teaching kind basic personal finance in school.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 04:38 PM
Jan 2021

I actually believe that from grades 8-12 they should be required to take such a course, and it should be a serious course, not just one where kids hangout and get a grade for doing nothing.

jmbar2

(7,989 posts)
25. I wish they'd break it up into smaller, but more numerous wins
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:22 PM
Jan 2021

4,659 $100,000 prizes

or

46,590 $10,000 prizes


It would do a lot more good for a lot more people.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. That would not create the excitement, and hence pull in big wagered money.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:26 PM
Jan 2021

It is all about the Benjamins, larger individual jackpots bring in larger revenue for the lottery cooperative.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
28. This sentiment is posted by someone every single time a jackpot reaches this level. EVERY. TIME.
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:30 PM
Jan 2021

The reason it is a bad idea is because of the attraction the large jackpot presents.

If what you suggest were to be the case, then multi-state, large odds jackpot lotteries would be replaced by common state lotteries, which tend to have odds one tenth as high as this one and get won much more often.

So in other words, what you suggest already exists.

Thunderbeast

(3,819 posts)
27. I would go to the Honda dealer...
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:29 PM
Jan 2021

and get that leaking hatch gasket for my 23 year-old Odyssey. I would still install it myself!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
45. Yet, some people who won a big amount actually have had serious problems
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 04:56 PM
Jan 2021

“living on it”. In Florida an elderly woman won something like a $100 million direct payout. She took the direct payout instead of setting up a Trust and taking the annuity. She had lived a pretty simple life before winning. Fast forward, a few years (about five years) after winning she was down to her last $2 million (from something like $100 million) and was in Court fighting her son over that. There have been other cases where people got massive payouts and ended up broke, one guy who was actually doing ok financially before winning said that winning the lottery was the worst thing that could have happened to him, the money went fast and his family was broken into pieces in the pursuit of the money.

I am not saying that people shouldn’t try to win, if handled right, the money in the jackpot can last for many generations. What I am saying is that people must have a concrete plan in case they do win, and stick to that plan once the pressure is on after they win and get publicized (unfortunately state lottery officials seem to relish standing with a fake, big oversized check, shaking the winner’s hand. If people win and can, take the money anonymously, in an annuity and direct it to a Trust that decides individual payouts (like to family, businesses, charities, ect. Have hard rules on the payouts that don’t get broken).

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
38. LOL! You and me both!
Fri Jan 22, 2021, 10:06 PM
Jan 2021

I know exactly what to do from the minute I discovered I had the winner.

Take at least a month to get all the ducks in a row and then send an attorney to collect it in the name of a trust or LLC.

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