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Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:45 PM

'Hell, even David Brooks thinks Democrats should absolutely kill the filibuster"

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/01/22/hell-even-david-brooks-agrees-democrats-should-absolutely-kill-filibuster

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Reply 'Hell, even David Brooks thinks Democrats should absolutely kill the filibuster" (Original post)
whathehell Jan 2021 OP
Renew Deal Jan 2021 #1
BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2021 #2
whathehell Jan 2021 #5
BlueTsunami2018 Jan 2021 #7
msongs Jan 2021 #3
whathehell Jan 2021 #6
LAS14 Jan 2021 #4

Response to whathehell (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:47 PM

1. The fillibuster actually hurts both parties.

Because it gives them no incentive to negotiate or cooperate. It also lets people hide behind fake votes like the "repeal and replace" game.

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Response to whathehell (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2021, 09:52 PM

2. 2009 was the time for that.

That was when it would have been most effective because the Liebermans and Nelsons of the world wouldnít have the leverage a Manchin has now.

How much egg would be on their faces if they nuked the filibuster and still couldnít get anything done? Because thatís what would happen.

Then the left would stay home in 2022 to ďsend a messageĒ, the GOP takes back the Senate which handcuffs President Biden completely, his administration is seen as a failure, Nikki Haley or whomever wins in 2024 and the right wingers go insane with nothing to stop them.

Make them actually have to stand there and filibuster. End the non-filibuster filibustering. Thatís the best move as things stand. Itís far too risky to go full on right now.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #2)

Fri Jan 22, 2021, 10:13 PM

5. I disagree..I think it's time for Democrats to act boldly --

- Republicans are ALWAYS bold. We need to stop the hand-wringing and "what ifs", and SEIZE the moment.

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Response to whathehell (Reply #5)

Fri Jan 22, 2021, 10:38 PM

7. But we already know Manchin and probably others aren't going to go for it.

This isnít a lockstep left wing party the way the Republicans are a lockstep right wing party. We have liberals, moderates and conservatives. They have conservatives and fascists.

Iím just being realistic. This will backfire horribly.

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Response to whathehell (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2021, 10:09 PM

3. mcconnell and repubs think so too. who does not think so? nt

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Response to msongs (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 22, 2021, 10:15 PM

6. Apparently, a number of Democrats..

Schumer reportedly said he didn't have the votes, at least at the moment.

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Response to whathehell (Original post)

Fri Jan 22, 2021, 10:09 PM

4. Yup. Another step in his loss of conservative creds. nt

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