HOLY (cow) DID YOU READ THIS FROM WAPO.

[soothsayer]

Link to tweet

?s=21



https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/conspiracy-oath-keeper-arrest-capitol-riot/2021/01/19/fb84877a-5a4f-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

Criminal complaint (no paywall): https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/0e776605-deb4-47b2-a775-bd10034c1cb9/note/5aac20c9-826b-4b89-b96a-7e2010015ef9.#page=1

[CentralMass]

1. Wow.

[DENVERPOPS]

44. Who is Caldwell......

It is getting really hard, with the ton's of people exposed, to remember who each person is......

Never mind, found out who he is.........

[Cozmo]

47. Racist Congressman from NC

Gun nut who was involved in giving tours. The asshole is a real menace and big liar with sexual harassment allegation. What a jewel.

[triron]

51. Thanks as I had the same question.

I wonder how many pukes were in on it?

[Cozmo]

52. Oops, I though it was referring to cawthorn, still he's an ugly individual

[Traildogbob]

53. NC

Is Cawthorn, a Nazi sympathizer. 20 something punk ass prick. Never had a job. I hope it was him. He needs jail.

[cannabis_flower]

102. Nope

Thomas Edward Caldwell-one of the rioters.

[SMC22307]

109. Wrong. Cawthorn (R-NC) is not Caldwell. Cawthorn is a POS but facts matter.

The Ignominious Deceits of Congressman Cawthorn
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/madison-cawthorn-paralympics/

Caldwell is an Oath Keeper, also a POS.

[Claire Oh Nette]

114. Hard these days

Hard these days to keep the douchebags straight....

[SMC22307]

119. You got that right.

And I'm relying a lot on Sedition Hunters and Cleavon MD hashtags -- can remember those but not necessarily names!

[treestar]

113. Caldwell a resident of VA

per the complaint.

[Cha]

64. My question, too.. TY! The FBI

must have gotten Caldwell's to investigate for Evidence!

[Claire Oh Nette]

65. Caldwell is one the Oath Keepers

He's one of three charged with seditious conspiracy.

Cawthorn is the 25 y/o wheel chair-bound, uneducated, homeschooled, Naval academy reject, one-semester D-average bible college drop out, Christo-fascist Nazi propped up by Chuck Meadows, et al., as the GOP victimhood poster boy who actively led sedition and insurrection.

He lied about being in training for Paralympics, too.

Real douchebag.

[Kid Berwyn]

106. Absolute douchebag.

Active in “local politics,” too.

Caldwell and his wife Sharon are constituents of Del. Dave LaRock, R-Hamilton, who said on Tuesday that he has known them since he took office in 2014.

Source: https://www.winchesterstar.com/winchester_star/insurrectionist-suspect-active-in-local-politics/article_d375bcd1-0184-58c8-ab48-dcc30a0633b6.html

[gldstwmn]

2. Trump must be convicted.

If he skates this will happen again. Throw the book at each and every one of them.
Also I have theory about the folks that want to carry their guns on the House floor. They need to be removed also.

[still_one]

12. Don't count on that on the Senate impeachment trail. The conviction needs to be in the state and

federal courts

[Maraya1969]

59. What is your theory about them? I can't figure these people out.

Sometimes I think they just want to feel cool but other times I think they are just hoping for a chance to kill a minority. Kind of like those cops that have shot unarmed black men.

[IsItJustMe]

83. A little bit of both. That is why it is confusing. The master minds using the dim wits

to storm the Capitol gave them the ability to get inside and do their dirty deeds.
That makes the most sense to me right now. A lot of those folks looked like they
were at a red neck picnic while other's seemed like they were there with a purpose
and had a plan.

[wnylib]

128. With the rednecks as cover.

[gldstwmn]

88. My theory is they are

there to finish what was started.

[wnylib]

129. I've been concerned about this, too.

[llashram]

101. and if one looks close enough

they will probably see a spider web tattooed on their body somewhere with a large black spade in the middle of that spider web. That is their pride and announcement to their like-minded ilk that they have made their bones in the white supremacist world of fascists/racists.

[onetexan]

91. yup. If the Con isn't convicted, and these seditionists prosecuted, next time they will be much more

organized and much more dangerous.

[Cobalt Violet]

3. We need a full accounting and all brought to justice.

Never unity with these people.

[dalton99a]

4. Kick

[elleng]

5. No, I didn't see it; glad some have.

[essaynnc]

6. who is Caldwell? eom

[KY_EnviroGuy]

18. Thomas Edward Caldwell, Oath Keeper Leader

See: https://www.thedailybeast.com/thomas-edward-caldwell-oath-keeper-leader-charged-with-conspiracy-in-capitol-riots

KY

[essaynnc]

54. thanks !!!!!!

[safeinOhio]

7. Voice recognition.

They know who it is.

[question everything]

8. Can you please remind me which one of them is Caldwell?

I really hope that some of these "insiders" can be charged and expelled.

[femmedem]

9. Here's the link to the article, published several days ago:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/conspiracy-oath-keeper-arrest-capitol-riot/2021/01/19/fb84877a-5a4f-11eb-8bcf-3877871c819d_story.html

[MelissaB]

27. Thank you! Dear OP, would you mind updating the post to include the link?

[soothsayer]

32. Done

[MelissaB]

85. Thanks so much!

[Johnny2X2X]

10. People inside are going to go to jail

They were trying to kill Congress people.

[malaise]

92. THIS

and don't forget that the Michigan governor, electoral officials and judges in more than one state also received death threats along the way. Trump should die in prison.

[wnylib]

130. Apparently with the assistance of

some of those Congress people.

[sarcasmo]

11. Ted Cruz and Josh Hawley come on down.

[Bluethroughu]

22. What about Mo Brooks from AL

He was screaming and inciting at the rally as well!

[GB_RN]

35. Talabama

Rep. Moron Brooks is from Talabama.

[Bluethroughu]

42. Wow thank you.

He's off his rocker, the video of him and what he was saying was nuts, at rumps save america rally that morning.

He needs to be included in the FBI investigation.

[GB_RN]

105. You're Welcome!

[Grasswire2]

13. My question.

Was gas available to them? Where, when, who and how?

[Bluepinky]

98. Creepy about the gas, just like the Holocaust.

These people have delusions of grandeur.

[A HERETIC I AM]

14. They'll get them.

Every single one of them.

The FBI will get them all, of that I have no doubt.

There's going to be a shitload of 20 year sentences coming.

[Bluethroughu]

20. I hope so with max sentences.

I hope they can pin down the ip addresses of the messages to the phones, AND if any of the Legislators are involved they are detained for treason.

[IsItJustMe]

84. One of them will not get that because the FBI will flip one of them

to testify on the other ones. You can almost bet on it.
Unless the FBI has a iron clad case.

[ProfessorGAC]

93. Agreed

That's what they do.
It's the FBI's RICO playbook.
Catch the small fish, use them as chum and get the big fish on conspiracy.

[OAITW r.2.0]

15. This was not a spontaneous event. It was planned from the inside.

Keep gathering the evidence.

[Autumn]

17. Turn on gas???? What the fuck.

[Celerity]

31. Nazis and gas, it's been a thing for parts or all of 10 decades

[Autumn]

56. Where the hell would they get gas in the capital building?

[Wednesdays]

72. One can make gas with common household items and a bucket. eom

[Autumn]

97. They said turn on gas.

[LiberalArkie]

107. Since the senators and reps have tear gas hoods under the seats, I would guess the building

has a built in tear gas system much like a fire suppressant system. Or maybe that is what they were going to do was set of the fire suppressant system which removes the oxygen so a fire goes out.

[HUAJIAO]

116. Could have been figuratively speaking....

[magicarpet]

19. Roger Stone, Rudy, Don Jr.,.and trDump master minded this coup d 'etat,..

... with some from both houses of congress and many from trDump's campaign army of operatives/soldiers.

[KPN]

60. and Flynn ...

[magicarpet]

63. Yes Flynn,.. forgot to mention that venomous Fascist snake

THX.

[AntiFascist]

87. Don't forget Flynn's Lt. Gen. brother Charles...

who took part in the delay for sending in the National Guard.

https://www.salon.com/2021/01/21/why-did-army-repeatedly-deny-that-michael-flynns-brother-was-involved-in-capitol-riot-response/

[LeftInTX]

21. Yes, I read it several days ago...

I'm thinking maybe these were sent on FB messenger, which is a form of a text message.

These guys also had walkie talkies too. Their leader, Rhodes was outside the capitol grounds. He had a walkie talkie

[BlueLucy]

23. Who was sending him messages?

[LeftInTX]

25. It should be easy to determine, I assume their names are not listed for a reason

[BlueLucy]

37. The person who did it know who they are

They need to be looking for a lawyer.

[meadowlander]

45. Who was begging for an 11th hour preemptive pardon from Trump?

That's probably a good place to start.

[Towlie]

24. Here's the Washington Post article:

 
←

Self-styled militia members planned on storming the U.S. Capitol days in advance of Jan. 6 attack, court documents say

In charging papers, the FBI said that during the Capitol riot, Caldwell received Facebook messages from unspecified senders updating him of the location of lawmakers. When he posted a one-word message, “Inside,” he received exhortations and directions describing tunnels, doors and hallways, the FBI said.

Some messages, according to the FBI, included, “Tom all legislators are down in the Tunnels 3floors down,” and “Go through back house chamber doors facing N left down hallway down steps.” Another message read: “All members are in the tunnels under capital seal them in. Turn on gas,” the FBI added.

more...

I'd say any senator who votes against Trump's conviction should be considered a prime suspect.

[IsItJustMe]

86. This is extremely alarming.

I pray they get to the bottom of this one. This is the most serious
one I have heard of yet.

I hope they can use evidence like this at the impeachment trial. Very damning.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

26. Article on Thomas Edward Caldwell, Oath Keepers leader...

‘I Am Such an Instigator’: Oath Keeper Leader Charged With Conspiracy in Capitol Riots
‘STORMING THE CASTLE’
Pilar Melendez, Reporter
The Daily Beast
Updated Jan. 19, 2021 5:41PM ET / Published Jan. 19, 2021

Prosecutors allege Thomas Caldwell helped organize a group of at least eight people who were at the Capitol during the Jan. 6 riots.

Link: https://www.thedailybeast.com/thomas-edward-caldwell-oath-keeper-leader-charged-with-conspiracy-in-capitol-riots

(snip)

An apparent leader of the Oath Keepers, a far-right militia group, was arrested in Virginia on Tuesday for his alleged role in plotting to attack the Capitol.

Thomas Edward Caldwell, 65, was arrested in Virginia on several federal charges, including conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, after he was allegedly involved in coordinating a plan to disrupt the Jan. 6 congressional session to certify President-elect Joe Biden’s electoral victory. During the siege, in which thousands of MAGA supporters stormed the Capitol, five people died and dozens more were injured.

According to a criminal complaint first obtained by The Washington Post, prosecutors allege Caldwell helped organize a group of at least eight people, who were seen “aggressively approaching an entrance to the Capitol.” The group was seen wearing military-style gear and helmets as they moved “in an organized and practiced fashion and force[d] their way to the ground of the crowd gathered around a door to the U.S. Capitol.”

Another one bit the dust....... .......

[Takket]

28. i certainly hope they are using search warrants to get at whoever sent those messages.......

because whoever did was coordinating the assassination of all of Congress.

and what is this "gas" they are referring to???????? Did someone there have a poison gas weapon??????????????

[Diraven]

49. Facebook messages are not anonymous

Although facebook company might try to fight it, since they already are in hot water for being the platform where a lot of the riot was organized.

[wnylib]

132. It sounds like they had some sort of gas,

doesn't it? Unless the word gas has some other meaning to them. But then the question is, Why didn't they do it, whatever "it" was?

Also, weren't there some rioters who had gas masks? Perhaps the rioters with gas masks anticipated cops using tear gas on them.

In fact, maybe the gas that the message referred to was tear gas. It could do some serious damage in a sealed, enclosed area. So maybe the rioters had tear gas with them. I thought I heard a report on that, but I'm not sure. But what would be the purpose of tear gassing Congress? To make it impossible for them to reconvene within a reasonable time?

[CountAllVotes]

29. K&R!!

[Blue_playwright]

33. That leaves me speechless

[leighbythesea2]

48. My jaw dropped

& was speechless also. Then a chill. It's eclipsed everything thus far, for me. I hope they already know who, & how they got the info.

[PatSeg]

34. My god, that is chilling

Just when you think it can't get worse...............

[Johnny2X2X]

36. Did they have poison gas with them?

These people had back packs. They could have had anything in there and most walked away.

[Kid Berwyn]

96. They used bear spray on the Capitol Police.

Terrorists are resourceful. They could have tried what the Japanese did to the people in the Tokyo subway.

[wnylib]

133. Or maybe tear gas? Keep Congress

incapacitated and unable to reconvene while some other planned activity was carried out? Imagine tear gas in an enclosed area without the ability to leave for fresh air.

Or, tear gas Congress so that they rush out, then pick them off when they do.

[LeftInTX]

144. I forgot about that one: Sarin gas

[Stinky The Clown]

38. And THAT, boys and girls, is how close we came to the overthrow of our government.

[Kitchari]

67. Exactly n/t

[niyad]

39. Horrified, but not surprised.

[ailsagirl]

73. Ditto

☹️😨😔

[yourmovemonkey]

40. Wow

How much clearer can it be

[tanyev]

41. The smug GOP enablers know that gas wouldn't only affect Democrats, right?

[wnylib]

134. Tear gas to flush Congress out of

hiding, then pick them off with guns, choosing which ones to shoot?

[Hortensis]

43. Donovan Crowl, Caldwell, and Watkins have all been charged with conspiracy

and are being held without bail.

Oath Keepers founder Stewart Rhodes is named in one message, but I found no indication that he's been arrested. Yet.

[Volaris]

46. By the time this is all aired in Court, we might think trump did us a favor by

reinstating firing squads...

Jeezus.

This WAS some reichstag fire - level shit.

[SheltieLover]

69. Agreed!

No opposition to death penalty here for this scum.
I hope dump's firing squad bites them all in the ass, him included!

[bucolic_frolic]

95. Not only that, but the conspiracies are now public

Without the insurrection, the right wing movement would be underground, brewing, growing. The grandest sting operation in the world could not reveal all these perps as well as the insurrection.

[SunSeeker]

50. Wow. Why has no one been charged with sedition/insurrection yet? nt

[Quixote1818]

55. Maybe nothing has happened with Boebert yet as they are building a case against her

and others?

[LeftInTX]

75. I think this intel came from more experienced people than Q'bert

Apparently Goser and others were also tweeting their locations (They deleted their tweets)

TBH though, if I was up to something nefarious, I certainly wouldn't tweet out anything for the public to see!

It could have been a cop who was paid for intel...

[Catherine Vincent]

57. What?!

On my way to Twitter to read the replies.

[mahina]

58. I feel like puking

How have they become these monsters????

Thank God they failed.

[Salviati]

61. Wow....

[monkeyman1]

62. republican party

ted -josh -rojo- lot's of republicans = fbi , nsa , & whole lot of agencies are putting together intelligence rite now . they won't play their hand as well they shouldn't !! you know these people are shitting there pant's & hoping they don't get a knock on door or the door comes crashing in! just look for a lot of congress people looking over their shoulders ! hell , iran already told trump they will get him !! those people don't play games .

[Duppers]

66. We hope all the truth comes out

And all of these repulsive lawbreaking lawmakers' heads roll. They can they be charged criminally.

[Kitchari]

68. They didn't think they would fail

And it's almost miraculous that they did fail. This was planned and funded and these insurrectionists are coldblooded murderers

[SheltieLover]

70. And many judges are releasing these pieces of shit!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

71. Thomas Edward Caldwell, insurrectionist suspect from Virginia, active in local Republican politics

Fri Jan 22, 2021: Insurrectionist suspect from Clarke County active in local Republican politics

Insurrectionist suspect from Clarke County active in local Republican politics

By Evan Goodenow, The Winchester Star Jan 20, 2021 Updated 18 hrs ago



A sign by a barn outside the Wadesville Road home of insurrection suspect and alleged Oath Keeper Thomas Edward Caldwell on Tuesday. The Clarke County resident was arrested and charged with violently entering the U.S, Capitol on Jan. 6 along with members of the far-right extremist group.

Evan Goodenow/The Winchester Star

Insurrectionist suspect and alleged far-right militia member Thomas Edward Caldwell is active in Clarke County Republican politics. ... Caldwell and his wife Sharon are constituents of Del. Dave LaRock, R-Hamilton, who said on Tuesday that he has known them since he took office in 2014.

"Tom is a wonderful man. He and Sharon have been very supportive of me," said LaRock, who represents Virginia's 33rd District, which includes parts of Clarke, Frederick and Loudoun counties. "Tom has served our country in a long and distinguished career in the U.S. military. I think very highly of Tom and Sharon."

LaRock said he was "shocked" and "amazed" to learn that Caldwell, who the delegate said is active in his local church, had been arrested and charged with serious crimes related to the storming of the Capitol.

LaRock said he was at the Jan. 6 rally in which President Trump urged supporters to "fight like hell" to overturn President-elect Joe Biden's victory. He said he didn't see the Caldwells in the crowd, but noted there were thousands of people there.

{snip}

No one answered the door at the Caldwell home on Tuesday afternoon, but a sign by a barn said Trump Country.

[LeftInTX]

78. This Virginia delegate, LaRock R-Hamilton sounds like he fits right in with them!

And Caldwell attended the Republican party county convention....

[world wide wally]

74. Busted

[certainot]

76. sacks of shit. not to downplay this treason but half dozen armed guards

could have mowed down dozens of these trump army zombies in less than a minute and the rest would have run, if it even got that far

security was more concerned about getting everyone to safe defensible spaces than shooting invaders and the invaders got lucky they never got too close, thanks to that cop and all the others

[burrowowl]

77. Fascinating!

[IronLionZion]

79. FBI has ways of finding out who sent those messages

Justice can get a warrant to subpoena phone records and data from Zello the app they used. None of this stuff is as private as they may believe.

[LeftInTX]

80. Read the criminal complaint:

https://context-cdn.washingtonpost.com/notes/prod/default/documents/0e776605-deb4-47b2-a775-bd10034c1cb9/note/5aac20c9-826b-4b89-b96a-7e2010015ef9.#page=1

(Hopefully no paywall)

[soothsayer]

89. Thank you!

[RVN VET71]

124. FBI is cracking hard on these traitors

The coming months are going to be rife with indictments and trials --- and, most importantly, sentences. Looks like the three referenced here will do some serious time. As soon as the FBI locates the “turn the gas on” maniac, that person will be busted and indicted too.

I am interested in the detailed instructions to find the Members: “Do like we had to do when I was in the core start tearing oit florrs go from top to bottom”; and “Go through back house chamber doors facing N left down hallway down steps.” So we know the traitorous s.o.b. who sent it was probably a Marine vet (one who can’t spell, referencing the Corps as “the core”). But how did he or she know the specific directions to give traitor Caldwell?

The plot of this deranged movie is heating up. If these were muslims or Blacks, most of the terrorists would have been shot dead by now and the remaining would be on their way to Guantanamo as “enemy combatants.” Since they are all "White Spridiots", they’ll all get fair and long winded trials which will keep the media focused away from the 500,000+(and climbing) covid19 deaths. But ultimately, I think, most of those arrested will go to jail for extended periods of time. I’m hoping 10-20, but have a feeling it will be for less than that.

Again, I stress that if the terrorists had been muslim or Black, the leadership and many second, even third level participants would be carted off to Guantanamo as enemy combatants, meaning that they’d never go to trial because they’d be dragged in front of a military tribunal. I have no proof of this, it just seems that that’s how it would have worked out.

[byronius]

126. Thanks for posting that.

[orangecrush]

81. HOLY SHIT

Someone's going down hard.

[BobTheSubgenius]

82. Holy shit!

Indeed. There is no doubt that that was help from the inside - both literally and figuratively.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

90. The M$M is already both-sidesing this.

Some Rs may have enabled a corrupt POTUS who, along with other Rs, incited the murderous insurrection & coup attempt...

But...

Joe Biden hasn't chosen any Rs for his cabinet...


So...

Even Steven!

[bucolic_frolic]

94. Yes this story of capture, seal, and gas was upstaged by the AG replacement story last night

They have quite a bit of cell and text message evidence, an operation within the insurrection by a select group. I think they're trying to bury this for some reason, but the people should make it heard by all.

Not clear if they had the extermination agent they implied, or at least i haven't read about it yet.

This is way beyond gruesome. This is as bad as it gets.

[BSdetect]

99. They must know who sent that info - arrest them.

[llashram]

100. a serious coup attempt

by fascists/racists/brownshirts with their very own 'Ernst Rohm' that are still walking among us. Did I say still planning? All I know is from Hitler's very open first attempt at insurrection 1was in 1923. When he finally succeeded ten years later he became chancellor of Germany. And then the fun started.

[LymphocyteLover]

103. Horrifying. There has to be major prosecutions and lifetime sentences for this evil

[Trueblue Texan]

104. I thank you for posting this and so does The Washington Post...

you just bought them a new subscription. Jesus! What a story! Proof of conspiracy everywhere!

[BComplex]

108. The important thing is they need to find out WHO SENT THOSE MESSAGES!!

That is the person who needs to go to jail forever.

[DFW]

115. Bingo!

Since the person in question was almost definitely a Republican member of the House--maybe a staffer or a Senator, but I doubt it--and this was being sent from what was certainly a throwaway phone (if not, the sender was an idiot), finding the identity of the sender will be difficult, but not impossible. THIS is a name we ALL need to have revealed.

[Lock him up.]

135. Make that caldwell terrorist talk...

... in exchange for a sentence reduction from 20 to 10 years full at Guantanamo.

[The Jungle 1]

110. Will jury nullification allow these treasonous scum to walk???

Cliven Bundy walked and still has not paid his rent for the grazing land he uses.
If these treasonous scum walk America has a big problem.

[LaMouffette]

111. This is what happens when hate groups like Oath Keepers are allowed to flourish.

I don't know the solution, but something must be done to squash this terrorist movement.

[MarcA]

125. Lifetime banishment to prison or a Devil's Island for starters. n/t

[nam78_two]

112. That is so creepy

I don't think I want to read stuff like this anymore. It makes me more prone to being accepting of privacy violations and as an unarmed, essentially sane/non-violent person, I don't like fears which play on one's mind/ make me more open to the harvesting of data from someone like me. I think actual bad actors will use this as an excuse to ram more surveillance into our already surveillance heavy society. It is bad in multiple ways.

It is good of course that places like the Capitol have all the security, monitoring and surveillance essential for actual threats like these.

[Oldem]

117. Interesting reaction.

Is identifying a FB poster the same thing as harvesting data? If the poster's intent was criminal, it seems to me that a federal warrant requiring FB to cough up a name or names is (um) warranted. I've come to think of "harvesting data" as gathering information about users and selling it to advertisers, etc. In other words, FB's business model. That's different from the platform being used to commit a felony and then being compelled to identify the felonious poster. If I'm wrong about any of this, somebody please correct me. Anyway, that's why I quit FB long ago.

[nam78_two]

122. I was alluding to Google/FB's model as data harvesting not identification of seditionists etc

Last edited Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:15 PM - Edit history (1)

I've come to think of "harvesting data" as gathering information about users and selling it to advertisers, etc. In other words, FB's business model. That's different from the platform being used to commit a felony and then being compelled to identify the felonious poster. If I'm wrong about any of this, somebody please correct me. Anyway, that's why I quit FB long ago.
That is quite correct. But my point was that these actual lunatics would make a case for expanded surveillance. It is clear that legitimate national security related reasons exist for such surveillance. However, it is possible that irresponsible/sleazy industries that are already harvesting data from normal people, eschewing permission altogether, will be emboldened. Now they can say "Hey we are not just selling tacky ads. We are advancing community safety." And I just don't buy it with companies like FB and Google. I am reading this book called Surveillance Capitalism so that theme is running in my head..Aggressive expansion into people's private spaces using bullshit rationales.

Edit: Is identifying a FB poster the same thing as harvesting data? If the poster's intent was criminal, it seems to me that a federal warrant requiring FB to cough up a name or names is (um) warranted.
Oh no-I did not mean that sort of thing. That is not data harvesting. As you point out, if anyone posts sedition plots or threats of physical violence on the net, they should pretty much expect to get on the radar of law enforcement. But I was referring to the aggressive data collection/tracking practices inflicted on random people merely going about their lives. I worry that FB, Google and
other annoying surveillance capitalist firms will expand their powers using this sort of thing.

[Oldem]

146. Excellent

Our definitions are clear, as are the subjects at issue. Good job!

[nam78_two]

148. Neat

Btw you mentioned having given FB the boot, so these issues appear to be of interest to you. I do recommend Shoshana Zuboff's "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism@" to you/anyone who is not a paranoid luddite but is legitimately vaguely confused about how it is that these large companies are pushing so much stuff through with relatively little oversight, permission etc. I am only a few chapters in, but it is an eye-opening read.

And she distinguishes this noxious variant from routine capitalism. Routine capitalism is hard enough on the environment, non-human life and often people.
But this variant is its own sort of parasitic beast.

I looked her up and she is not a lawyer as I had first assumed on reading it. She is a social psychologist. She lays it out pretty well.

She points out how there was no inevitability here. The technology and the goals (which often are hard to quibble with when isolated out-I can think of a few where it is hard to argue with tech that advances convenience or safety-e.g.:medical data, driver's safety, safety from violent crime etc.) are in no way tied to the specific creepy form in which some subset of rather creepy and opportunistic people have had them realized.

I will probably post a link to the book and write up some of the key portions in my own words later in "Non-fiction".
It is dense with ideas which I think should be disseminated more widely, questioning the legal and ethical aspects of a lot of SC.
(@: I have been referring to this book on these forums for a couple of weeks and abridging the title to "Surveillance Capitalism". 300 pages in, I noticed that it is actually what it says now.)

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

118. KnR..nt

[Historic NY]

120. If they have this much then they know...

Unless the Facebook messenger was shut down and they are waiting to uncloak it.

[soothsayer]

121. I think they must know

[SWBTATTReg]

123. Now we truly know what sedition truly looks like. Lock them in and gas? No peace,

No rest for these traitors.

[blueseas]

127. Ugly

Put this on the Greatest PAGE!!!!

[McCamy Taylor]

131. I read it. And the FBI should be able to tell who the (wo)man inside was

[ffr]

136. So gas congressmen, like Auschwitz?

JHC! They should be hanged for this! The punishment needs to fit the crime!

[soothsayer]

137. Yeah what gas was this? Pepper spray? Something worse?

[ffr]

138. "Turn on Gas"

[soothsayer]

140. Yeah what gas?

They were also yelling “gas them!” when the cops were lowering these metal security doors (which came down ever so slowly).

Bear spray? Poison?

[LeftInTX]

143. I'm thinking it is something like bear spray

But then I really don't know my poison gases too well...

Would they be able to carry cyanide gas into the capitol without setting it all over themselves first?

I saw videos of the rioters spraying cops with bear mace...

[Initech]

139. Does this mean that they had someone on the inside?

If so then whoever it is needs to be arrested and charged with treason and sedition, ASAP.

[LeftInTX]

145. Sounds like it to me.. But..could have been a cop..Remember the one who killed himself?

[Blue Owl]

141. ATTEMPTED MURDER

[ffr]

147. Mass murder, at that. When you only see blood in your eyes

no matter how ill informed you are. If you say you mean to kill someone, gas someone, execute someone live on TV, your intentions are clear.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

142. WTF?! Thank you for posting this!

I somehow missed it until now.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if it involved the GOP reps who wanted pardons from Trump.

Freakin' fascists!