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SheltieLover

(79,834 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:18 AM Jan 2021

The face mask that could end the pandemic

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/01/22/health/face-mask-n95-coronavirus-transmission/index.html

Studies have shown that masks significantly decrease the chances of transmitting or contracting the coronavirus. But not all masks provide equal protection. Depending on the fabric and number of layers, homemade and simple cloth masks have a range of effectiveness that can be as low as 26%, which leaves the wearer vulnerable.

Some experts like Brigham Women's Hospital and Harvard Medical School physician Dr. Abraar Karan have been advocating for public use of N95 masks from the start of the pandemic. In an interview with CNN Chief Medical Correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta, Dr. Karan outlined why N95s are critical at this stage of the pandemic.

"If for four weeks the country essentially wore these masks in those risky settings like that indoors, what kind of difference do you think it would make?" Gupta asked.

Snip

Some European countries are already taking that step to prevent coronavirus spread within their borders. Earlier this week, Germany and France mandated that all citizens wear high filtration masks like the N95 in all public places.

More at link. Joe has invoked the Defense Production Act to make masks, vaccines, etc., but N-95's take quite awhile to manufacture.

More evidence dump willfully caused >400k deaths!
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The face mask that could end the pandemic (Original Post) SheltieLover Jan 2021 OP
Just bought Kimberly Clark N95's from Amazon. secondwind Jan 2021 #1
I'll bet! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #2
They will be available at Amazon for another couple of hours.... secondwind Jan 2021 #3
You mean Bigredhunk Jan 2021 #42
N95 or KN95? I looked for N 95 and couldn't find them. dem4decades Jan 2021 #4
KN 95 are "certified" for use in China SheltieLover Jan 2021 #5
A lot of KN95s are fake. LisaL Jan 2021 #12
There is a CDC test site for KN95. Not hard to find the good ones. nt JanMichael Jan 2021 #25
Link to CDC site for identifying counterfeit respirators. BrightKnight Jan 2021 #44
I purchased a small supply of 3M, N-95 before pandemic was announced here SheltieLover Jan 2021 #6
My wife works in emergency medicine Danascot Jan 2021 #7
Ty for this info! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #8
I thought valved masks were a no-no? JanMichael Jan 2021 #26
The mask valve is also filtered.. denbot Jan 2021 #32
It comes with a plastic plug to close off the valve Danascot Jan 2021 #34
The valve masks don't filter the exhale. BrightKnight Jan 2021 #40
Thanks, ordered 2, just flew home from Chicago, going into home quarantine. denbot Jan 2021 #31
Thanks Recommend msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #9
I get foggy glasses even with N95 masks. LisaL Jan 2021 #13
One suggestion is to put some paper tape across the top of the mask at the bridge of your nose csziggy Jan 2021 #15
Worth a try, thanks. I haven't considered it before. good idea. msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #22
I haven't tried it myself but have seen it recommended on TV. csziggy Jan 2021 #27
Or a band aid SheltieLover Jan 2021 #30
They also sell Cat Crap & Z Clear. Niagara Jan 2021 #38
Cat Crap? msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #41
Yes, lol. It's a comical sounding product name. Niagara Jan 2021 #45
N95s are the only thing I'll wear. I get them from a company in Houston that imports them. Liberal In Texas Jan 2021 #10
Well, we were being lied to for a long time, with authorities claiming that cloth masks are just as LisaL Jan 2021 #14
Yes we were. Liberal In Texas Jan 2021 #16
Generally Speaking They DO Protect The Wearer ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #17
Tuberculosis is caused by bacteria. LisaL Jan 2021 #18
Whoosh! ProfessorGAC Jan 2021 #20
How many Democratic representatives got infected with covid LisaL Jan 2021 #28
This is not a myth. It's science. Liberal In Texas Jan 2021 #37
i agree. Can you tell me if you've had any problems with the ear straps? msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #23
i agree. Can you tell me if you've had any problems with the ear straps? msfiddlestix Jan 2021 #24
My N95s (and most of them) have straps that go to the back your neck and heaad. Liberal In Texas Jan 2021 #43
I was wearing a respirator with P100 filters for quite a while. krispos42 Jan 2021 #11
Angela Merkel wears KN95. moondust Jan 2021 #19
KN95 cannot be cleaned for reuse sciencescience Jan 2021 #21
They are not supposed to be cleaned for reuse. LisaL Jan 2021 #29
They don't need to be cleaned unless they get really filthy like if you drop them on the grouind. Liberal In Texas Jan 2021 #36
It doesn't matter.... A HERETIC I AM Jan 2021 #33
Kick MoonlitKnight Jan 2021 #35
KnR Niagara Jan 2021 #39

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
1. Just bought Kimberly Clark N95's from Amazon.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:21 AM
Jan 2021

READ the description carefully.... I saw one that said "this is NOT an N95 mask".

50 masks for $57. Bought one for my granddaughter at Hobart. It's worth the peace of mind.

They are going fast.

SheltieLover

(79,834 posts)
2. I'll bet!
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:24 AM
Jan 2021

Many counterfeits out there, too!
FL judge very recently ruled counterfeiter must remove 3M logo.

Fucking nerve of these scammers!

Glad you got some!

secondwind

(16,903 posts)
3. They will be available at Amazon for another couple of hours....
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:49 AM
Jan 2021

things are jumping fast...

SheltieLover

(79,834 posts)
5. KN 95 are "certified" for use in China
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:07 AM
Jan 2021

N 95 are certified for use in USA. KN 95 might be a close second.

LisaL

(47,399 posts)
12. A lot of KN95s are fake.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 02:55 PM
Jan 2021

So you don't really know what kind of protection you are getting with them.

SheltieLover

(79,834 posts)
6. I purchased a small supply of 3M, N-95 before pandemic was announced here
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:09 AM
Jan 2021

When I saw what was happening in China. I reuse them, which is (or has been) fine because I only leave the house for groceries when needed.

Danascot

(5,219 posts)
7. My wife works in emergency medicine
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:56 AM
Jan 2021

She and the people she works with got ENVO masks. They are pricey at $79 but they're rated N95, really comfortable and have replaceable filters. They took about 2 1/2 weeks to be delivered.

https://store.envomask.com/envomask-n95-respirator-kit-p4.aspx

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
26. I thought valved masks were a no-no?
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 05:39 PM
Jan 2021

"One-Way Exhalation Valve: Reduces temperature and moisture inside the mask. The mask chamber’s design and filter placement improve speech clarity."

denbot

(9,949 posts)
32. The mask valve is also filtered..
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 06:17 PM
Jan 2021

Got one for me and my wife after getting a COVID nasal test a couple of hours ago.

Danascot

(5,219 posts)
34. It comes with a plastic plug to close off the valve
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:09 PM
Jan 2021

plus it has a shield in front intended to mitigate moisture from other people coughing or spitting at close range. The shield helps hide the plugged valve so people in medical offices or other places don't say it's not an acceptable mask because it has a valve.

The part of the mask that touches your face is a soft gel that is both comfortable and doesn't permit exhalations to fog up glasses.

The only downside I've found is that it comes out from the face further than a cloth mask and it's a little hard to see downward ... but no worse than a standard N95 mask.

BrightKnight

(3,684 posts)
40. The valve masks don't filter the exhale.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:55 PM
Jan 2021

They are good for construction work but not ideal for this. The mask is also to prevent you from spreading.

denbot

(9,949 posts)
31. Thanks, ordered 2, just flew home from Chicago, going into home quarantine.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 06:11 PM
Jan 2021

Had to drive a new truck driver’s truck from L.A. to our company terminal near Chicago because he couldn’t handle a stick shift.

He not only had cold/flu symptoms, he talked to me or on his phone literally nearly every waking moment. I was in a semi truck with that clown the whole freaking way..

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
9. Thanks Recommend
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 12:18 PM
Jan 2021

My struggle with every mask I've used so far is dealing with glasses fogging which I need when I'm grocery shopping etc, but the other, much more problematic problem is dealing with the ear straps which refuses to stay secured. It's just infuriating while shopping, conducting business, requiring both hands for transactions etc and the dang thing pops off my ear in the middle of these tasks.

The masks with the ties doesn't work for me either. totally useless to me.

I'm curious if the N95's functionality regarding the issue with staying secure, and foggy glasses? more important is staying secure.

LisaL

(47,399 posts)
13. I get foggy glasses even with N95 masks.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 02:58 PM
Jan 2021

Which is not good, since foggy glasses mean the air you breathe out is escaping through the top of the mask. Which it shouldn't, if the fit of N95 is good. The N95 masks do usually stay on for me, because they have the bands that go around the head instead of ear straps.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
15. One suggestion is to put some paper tape across the top of the mask at the bridge of your nose
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:07 PM
Jan 2021

So it seals the mask better than just the little metal strip. Paper tape is thin so should not interfere with the fit other than to make it better sealed.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
27. I haven't tried it myself but have seen it recommended on TV.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 05:40 PM
Jan 2021

I think I have left the house fewer than six times since the beginning of last February so I don't get much practice with masks.

SheltieLover

(79,834 posts)
30. Or a band aid
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 05:58 PM
Jan 2021

Saw an article citing a dr. Who does this to keep glasses from fogging.

Also stated if glasses are fogging, which happens to me too with 3M N95's, wearer is at risk of infection (moreso).

Niagara

(11,738 posts)
45. Yes, lol. It's a comical sounding product name.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:28 PM
Jan 2021

This anti-fog wax was named for the heavy machinery called Caterpillar Snow cats.


This photo is a Caterpillar snow removal and snow blower, although not the same exact machinery as a snow cat. I couldn't find an image of a snow cat that was a Caterpillar brand, so I provided a Caterpillar brand of a similar machine.


Liberal In Texas

(16,223 posts)
10. N95s are the only thing I'll wear. I get them from a company in Houston that imports them.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 02:46 PM
Jan 2021
https://accumed.com/n95-mask-respirators-kn95-face-masks-ffp2-safety-masks.html/

Made in China but the company is registered with NIOSH.

About $100 for 20 masks. Maybe a bit pricey, but what is your health and peace of mind worth?
They can be reused. After I go someplace I put the mask used in a paper bag and don't use that one for at least a week. By that time any virus on the mask will have died.

When I had an appointment with my primary healthcare person and I was informed the next day she had just found out she had a positive test for covid, I was glad I was wearing an N95 and so was she with a paper surgical mask over that. I apparently missed the bullet and tested negative for a couple of weeks for a total of 4 times.

And to everyone that says "my cloth masks are just as good" that just isn't true. With the new more contagious variants you really need all the protection you can get when you have to be around other people.

LisaL

(47,399 posts)
14. Well, we were being lied to for a long time, with authorities claiming that cloth masks are just as
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:03 PM
Jan 2021

good. Not because it's true, but because supplies of actual N95s is low.

Liberal In Texas

(16,223 posts)
16. Yes we were.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:11 PM
Jan 2021

Cloth masks are more effective to keep from infecting other people, not as good for keeping the wearer safe.

ProfessorGAC

(76,555 posts)
17. Generally Speaking They DO Protect The Wearer
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:44 PM
Jan 2021

There are studies that contradict that in the OP.
They've been publicized for months.
It's simply untrue that cloth masks do not provide protection to the wearer.
There were no N95 masks during the days of the tuberculosis sanitariums. Bjust simple, one ply, cotton masks.
There were thousands of nurses & doctors who worked with TB patients for years that did not get sick. Those that did, were only at a modestly higher rate per thousand than the general population, given the high degree of exposure.
This was a hundred years ago.
Certainly N95 masks are better, but this notion, exacerbated by the politicization of masks, gave the resistors a built in excuse. "Why should I wear one? They don't work anyway."
I don't think DU is a place where that myth is propagated further.

LisaL

(47,399 posts)
18. Tuberculosis is caused by bacteria.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:46 PM
Jan 2021

Bacteria are much larger than virus. Furthermore, a lot of people who are exposed don't actually develop active TB disease. Covid therefore is much more infectious.

ProfessorGAC

(76,555 posts)
20. Whoosh!
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 04:06 PM
Jan 2021

That sound you hear is the point rushing right past you.
It was one example. Want more that are viral based, you can find them.
Polio, smallpox, mono, measles, rubella, hepatitis, meningitis,...
Need I go on?
The point is there is a hundred years of medical industry results contradicting the notion that cloth masks don't help the wearer.
I come to DU for information & accuracy, not myth.

LisaL

(47,399 posts)
28. How many Democratic representatives got infected with covid
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 05:44 PM
Jan 2021

during riots, while sitting in the room with anti-masking Republicans? At least 3 that I know of.
So, please, don't tell me how great cloth masks protect people. They offer some protection, sure.
But you not going to have health professionals wearing them now to protect them from TB or other diseases.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
23. i agree. Can you tell me if you've had any problems with the ear straps?
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 05:34 PM
Jan 2021

for any type? If you have had for some and not others, are the straps on the N95 hold better?

I think my ears are smaller than the average person, because those straps just pop right off of my ear. usually the right side only.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
24. i agree. Can you tell me if you've had any problems with the ear straps?
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 05:35 PM
Jan 2021

for any type? If you have had for some and not others, do the straps on the N95 hold better?

I think my ears are smaller than the average person, because those straps just pop right off of my ear. usually the right side only.

Liberal In Texas

(16,223 posts)
43. My N95s (and most of them) have straps that go to the back your neck and heaad.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 09:21 AM
Jan 2021

Others have ear straps which I have a few of as my wife prefers these to the ones that go on the back of the head.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
11. I was wearing a respirator with P100 filters for quite a while.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 02:52 PM
Jan 2021

P100 or N100 means they block 99.97% of airborne particles. The "P" means oil-resistant, I guess in case I strike oil or something.

https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npptl/topics/respirators/disp_part/default.html

moondust

(21,278 posts)
19. Angela Merkel wears KN95.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 03:57 PM
Jan 2021

I've seen her a few times on TV with "KN95" clearly visible on her mask. Just yesterday Sanjay said KN95 is almost as good as N95. Preferring to leave N95s to front-line workers, I bought some Chinese KN95s and cut one open to see the inside. It had 5 layers as advertised.

sciencescience

(117 posts)
21. KN95 cannot be cleaned for reuse
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 05:09 PM
Jan 2021

For some people, spending $5 repeatedly can add up or deter them from buying them.

LisaL

(47,399 posts)
29. They are not supposed to be cleaned for reuse.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 05:46 PM
Jan 2021

But even medical professionals were reusing their N95s early in a pandemic.

Liberal In Texas

(16,223 posts)
36. They don't need to be cleaned unless they get really filthy like if you drop them on the grouind.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:08 PM
Jan 2021

In normal use if you let them "rest" for a week or so after wearing any virus they collected won't be viable anymore.

A HERETIC I AM

(24,875 posts)
33. It doesn't matter....
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 06:19 PM
Jan 2021

Way too many Americans are too fucking stupid and arrogant to make any prophylactic work.

NONE!


We live in a society with a large population of idiots, and they are determined to have their way, to hell with their grandparents.

I swear, if we had a pandemic similar to what Stephen King wrote about in “The Stand”, where 95% of the population dies, a significant number of the people left over would STILL claim it was a hoax

Americans are the fucking dumbest people in the world.

MoonlitKnight

(1,585 posts)
35. Kick
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:24 PM
Jan 2021

Hopefully once production ramps up the government will ship some N95 or KN95 masks to everyone.

With the rampant spread in the US going unchecked for so many months and our lack of screening, I would not doubt if there are several US variants out there just as bad as the UK, Soth Africa and Brazil ones.

Niagara

(11,738 posts)
39. KnR
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:22 PM
Jan 2021

It angers me that we are just now getting here and the deniers still won't wear a damn mask.

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