Do you really believe that 74 Million people voted for Trump?

[grobertj]

Trump contended that the election was rigged. Maybe he was right. How in the world did he get 74 million votes? There must have been a lot of dead people voting, and tons of rednecks voting twice.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

1. No. I was shocked that more voted for him in 2020 than in 2016.

I was confident that his support would drop for 2020 considering everything he did in the 4 years. I'm still baffled at how more people could have supported him in 2020 than in 2016.

[torius]

4. I think because

The ones who supported him last time but didn’t bother to vote saw the Dems’ enthusiasm so made sure to vote this time.

Same with the Dems, the ones who sat it out last time turned out this time.

And in both cases, there were people who turned voting age, so more voters.

[RussBLib]

13. and still, some 60-70 million eligible voters

did not vote

[Blue_true]

29. I no longer make assumptions about the non voters.

After about 43% of voters didn’t vote in 2016, I believed that if 25% of those people did vote, Hillary would have crushed Trump because almost all would have been for her. Fast forward to the 2020 election, good percentage of those people did vote, Biden got most of them, but not remotely in the numbers that I expected to see. The election was much closer than it should have been.

[Hav]

16. Same reason why this election shattered any previous records

Make it more convenient to vote and more people participate.
On the other side of the spectrum, Magats similarly cannot understand how Biden could beat Obama's numbers.

[torius]

53. Yes and people with retirement accounts, stocks,

and suburban homes to sell got wealthier, and that's the only consideration for a lot of people. Even if it had little to do with Trump's policies.

[RKP5637]

2. I find it quite scary to think that 74 million people would want someone like Trump, and others

that have said he's an excellent role model for their kids. Incredible.

[dchill]

3. People will do a lot of things...

...if they never have to admit doing them.

[greenjar_01]

5. Yes

Please understand that our voting system is remarkably secure and staffed by diligent non-partisan people who care about election integrity. Every time we run this kind of line we give ammunition to the right wing nuts who want us to give up on believing in democracy, and we should cut the damn crap.

The stupid "black box voting" shit laid the groundwork for the Capitol siege, believe that.

Sometimes, you just lose an election. Sometimes you win. Yes, 74 million people voted for Trump. Have you stepped outside of a major urban area in the last five years? Jesus.

[Bleacher Creature]

6. The election wasn't rigged. He got 74 million votes and we need to address that directly.

Pretending that it didn't happen doesn't help us going forward. Most of them are complete lunatics, but I have to believe they t least some small ones portion voted for him because they reflexively vote for Republicans. We need to find out whether some portion of that small portion are flippable going forward.

[Blue_true]

31. We also need to somehow educate people that are drawn to street action

on how to phrase valid concerns. A goal may be totally something that society needs to get done, but if it is phrased haphazardly, we have seen that republicans will make it sound like pure evil.

[Vinca]

7. It did seem odd the way some polls were so far off when it came to Congressional races.

In particular, Graham and Jaime Harris. I believe those votes were cast on the machines owned by a Republican's company. I remember back in 2004 and all the work Andy Stephenson did investigating the funkiness around voting machines. Shame he wasn't around for this election.

[Blue_true]

33. You under estimate the number of voters that have no intention of voting

for a progressive Black man. They won’t admit that to pollsters, so numbers get skewed. Plus, let’s get to brass tacks, Jaime Harrison was no Stacey Abrams when it came to maximizing the democratic base vote and pulling in centrist voters in big numbers. I am glad to see that Stacey Abrams is taking her organization to Texas, that state really disappointed in 2020 and that needs to change.

[RussBLib]

8. yeah, he usually tells you what he is doing, by accusing others of it

so, yeah, I would say that it was suspicious that he got 74 million votes, some 12 million more than in 2016, I think. This many people, after seeing him up close for 4 years, decided to vote FOR this thug?

If it's all fake (which it isn't), then I'm glad 7 million more fake people voted for Biden that the fake people that voted for Trump.

[Blue_true]

35. Trump got around 11 million more votes than in 2016.

President Biden got about 15 million more votes than Hillary got in 2016.

We need to stop implying that screwball things happened on Election Day and focus on real issues, like voter suppression laws in many states, turning out our base voters and giving them reasons to become sustained voters after our candidates are elected.

[Midnight Writer]

9. Anecdotally, I can only say I personally know several Republicans who have turned against Trump,

and I don't know a single Hillary supporter who has turned for Trump.

[SMC22307]

10. Yes. You're suggesting something right-wingers believe in:

"voter" fraud, dead people voting etc. Evidently a whopping three cases were found in Pennsylvania -- all committed by Trump suppporters. It's rare.

Party line votes, right-wing media brainwashing, and the economy roaring for many gave Fat Nixon over 70 million votes.

[BannonsLiver]

11. Absolutely. We're that fucked up as a people.

[2naSalit]

12. Not really.

[Meowmee]

14. I think it was lower

But who knows if we will ever know for sure

[tenderfoot]

15. No.

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[qazplm135]

17. one quarter of the population?

Yeah, I can believe that.

[Jamesyu]

18. Don't underestimate misinformation

Such as Facebook, Fox News, YouTube and Twitter. Yes I do believe Trump got 74 million and plus he had the White House to amplify misinformation. If we don’t compete in this social media, we are going to be in trouble in the future.

[Blue_true]

38. Also, our side helped with poorly thought out phrases like "defund the police"

and other poorly thought out phraseology.

[tman]

19. Yes. 46% of the vote with HIGH voting turnout. This was expected.

If 2016 had the same high turnout, he wouldn've got 71-74 million votes.

Keep in mind, trump did WORSE in 2020 than in 2016 for share of the national vote.

It makes perfect sense.

[randr]

20. No, I believe they cheated and have always cheated

They just missed their targeted algorithm for the swap to happen.

[Captain Zero]

23. This. Didn't Karl Rove say to someone you can

Switch 4-7 per cent an no one will notice ?? Most polls he was at 40-42. So 7 wouldn't have done it and would have put him about where he ended up.

[BrightKnight]

21. No, they doth protest too much, methinks

[dustyscamp]

22. Yes, I believe it

Religious people think he was sent by God to stop the gays and abortion. Most other voted for him because he is an asshole and not like any other politician. Others just wanted to get revenge against Democrats for varying reasons such as Bernie being snubbed in the primaries, ineffective and harmful policies, blame for the rise in white supremacists. It doesn't help that RW news, hate radio and the dirtbag leftists on social media keep fueling the hate against Dems 24/7.

[onecaliberal]

24. He got a lot of votes. Do I think he cheated, yes.

[stillcool]

25. I wonder where they came from...

would be interesting to see the numbers broken down by counties, towns, states.

[Jeebo]

26. There has been a noticeable "red shift" in elections for the past 25 years or so.

For this election, polls were showing Biden winning by a minimum of six or seven points and up to double digits in some polls. I think the national polling averages showed him winning by about eight points. He actually won by 4.4 points. Democrats also didn't do as well nationally in congressional and Senate races as the polls were suggesting. It really does seem that when polls are off, it's always in the red direction, or at least the elections trend in the red direction relative to the polling averages. Is that suspicious? I think so. Did Mad King Donald actually get 74 million Americans to vote for him? Maybe not, but I have no doubt he got upwards of 70 million. There are that many crazy, misinformed, stupid people in this country. They're all around me, I see them all the time.

-- Ron

[Nevilledog]

27. Nope

[58Sunliner]

28. IMO no. 2016-no.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

30. Yes. Why wouldn't I?

[lees1975]

32. I believe it

But then, 80 million voted for Biden. And that total is still well below how many people should be voting in this country.

[Baclava]

34. Dammit man, I'm a doctor, not a torpedo technician! All these alternate realities just confuse me

[tritsofme]

36. I always get a kick out of the people who rightfully sneer at Trump's election conspiracy theories

And then turn around in the same breathe rattling off their own list of equally ridiculous election conspiracy theories.

It’s really something else...

[Celerity]

48. +1000000000000000000000000000000000

[marlakay]

37. Yes because most republicans will vote R

No matter who as most democrats would.

[bearssoapbox]

39. My wife has been a poll worker for about 7 years.

She told me that more people voted this last time and the rethugs definitely out voted anyone else even though there were more Dems that voted also.

I don't have the numbers in front so these are approximate from what was reported in our paper.

Out of 13000+ voters more than 9500 voted for the dipshit.

It didn't really surprised me because this armpit of Ohio is very, very, red. It's Boners old gerrymandered district. I think davison took it over and the dumbass is in lockstep with the stupid of the rethugs.

[smirkymonkey]

40. No. I think they cheated and that is why they are so shocked that he lost.

There is no way that he gained voters since the last election. I will never believe that.

[Arazi]

41. Yes. America has a strong, deep racist streak that likes authoritarianism

We can't keep ignoring that

[ProfessorGAC]

42. The Numbers Aren't Rigged

I do think they thought the fix was in with voter suppression & only needing to work the margins of the EC.
They got beat anyway because turnout was very big, especially given COVID.
Another thing they didn't anticipate was states promoting (or enacting) vote by mail.
They thought COVID was going to suppress turnout, but it didn't.
So, the tantrums were legitimate. They were truly shocked they lost because they were sure they had their thumb on the scale. Then the election weighed 2 tons, and their thumb was irrelevant.
But, the votes are the votes.
So, yeah he got 74 million in a high turnout year.
But, that was 7 million too few. And, the big turnout ruined the EC tactics.

[roamer65]

47. I agree.

Without voter suppression, I think President Biden’s popular vote win would have been between 10-15 million votes.

Just my gut feeling. It really had the feel of a 55-45 race.

[JI7]

43. Yes, The country is full of shitty people

[doc03]

44. Yes I believe it. That is like them not believing 80 million voted for Biden. If

they live in a red county in a red state it is really hard for them to believe Biden won. I voted for Biden
but when about 85% of the people I know support Trump it is easy to believe Trump won. There were caravans
of hundreds of vehicles every Saturday, I was sure he would win myself.

[ansible]

45. You should see how many Trump flags are STILL flying here in California

Honestly I'm still shocked Biden won, his supporters are literal cultists

[In It to Win It]

46. I'm on the fence

[Buckeye_Democrat]

49. Many of them are in a bubble of misinformation...

... and don't even realize it.

Fox, OAN, Newsmax and others certainly won't tell them, and many of their viewers "picked their side" long ago like someone who has always cheered for their local sports team.

[Mr.Bill]

50. I'm still astounded even ten people on this entire planet

would vote for Trump. Hell, I'm amazed his own family votes for him.

[The Revolution]

51. Yes

I remember stories about Republicans doing pretty well in voter registration leading up to the election. A quick search found this https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/republicans-bright-spot-voter-registration-push-73708311

Its not that big of a stretch to believe many of these newly registered voters did indeed end up voting for Trump. On election night we also saw rural counties going for Trump by wider margins than 2016, so that makes up for the ground lost in urban areas.

I was surprised by how well Trump did, but it's not unbelievable to me. Biden made bigger gains compared to Clinton's performance in 2016. So both sides did better, but the Democrat did...uh more better

[David__77]

52. I don't see why not.

This country is built on rotten foundations.

[BootinUp]

54. His candidacy may have increased turnout

but he certainly got a smaller share of the vote. To me that is all that matters.

[GulfCoast66]

55. Sure. Either the election was fair our not. And it was.