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Evan Hill
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.@adamgoldmanNYT & @shailadewan provide new details on the fatal shooting of Ashli Babbitt by a Capitol Police officer on Jan. 6, relying on two people with direct knowledge of the officers account. I'll thread some here
Inside the Deadly Capitol Shooting
With a mob approaching, a police lieutenant fatally shot a woman trying to vault through a window near the House Chamber.
nytimes.com
2:20 PM · Jan 23, 2021
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/23/us/capitol-police-shooting-ashli-babbitt.html
WASHINGTON During the four-and-a-half-hour attack on the Capitol on Jan. 6, one of the moments when the mob came closest to the lawmakers they were pursuing took place just after 2:30 p.m.
On one side of a set of antique wood and glass doors were dozens of lawmakers and their aides trying to evacuate the House chamber.
On the other were rioters yelling Stop the steal as they hammered the panes with a flagpole, a helmet and even a bare fist.
In between was a Capitol Police lieutenant, scrambling to pile tables and chairs into a makeshift barricade. He had 31 rounds for his service weapon, and he has told others that he feared he might need them all.
At the height of the standoff, a woman named Ashli Babbitt tried to vault through a window. The lieutenant, his weapon already extended, pulled the trigger once, killing her in a confrontation that was captured on video and widely viewed around the world.
At least three investigations into the security response on Jan. 6 are underway, and officials have not provided the full details of Ms. Babbitts death.
But videos taken of the episode, legal documents and witness accounts point to a dire set of circumstances and an officer left to confront a mob. The officer, a lieutenant who has not been publicly named, has been placed on administrative leave while his actions are reviewed by federal authorities.
The use of deadly force by officers is considered legally justified if they have an objectively reasonable fear of serious, imminent harm to themselves or others. Several policing experts said that video of the encounter was not enough for them to offer an opinion on the shooting. But interviews with two people with direct knowledge of the officers account suggest he will make the case that he acted to protect lawmakers from harm.
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superpatriotman
(6,252 posts)Other than a link to a tweet!
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)UpInArms
(51,284 posts)UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Link to tweet
Lunabell
(6,113 posts)Even when it is legal and justified, I'm sure they probably have ptsd over the whole situation.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)and insurrectionists were yelling "he's got a gun, he's got gun!" several times, but Babbitt decided to go in anyway.
alphafemale
(18,497 posts)Merely because she was a white woman, or she thought there was inside help?
LeftInTX
(25,583 posts)John Sullivan was filming on the far left. There were three cops blocking the rioters, the cops weren't safe. Ashli is jumping up and down, screaming, but the cops seem to be keeping her at bay. The cops move out of the way. (I assume this is when the cops knew a tactical unit was arriving up the stairs)
After the cops move, the banging gets worse. John Sullivan says, "He's got a gun". Ashli was on the far right jumping up and down. The two other guys move out of the way after hearing John Sullivan. Ashli hops through the broken window. She gets shot.
Video:
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-at-u-s-capitol/2535527/
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)LeftInTX
(25,583 posts)Who knows if she could hear him or not???
She seemed to be worked up into a frenzy, so even if she could physically hear, she may not have listened.
John S sounds loud, but he's speaking into his mic.
louis-t
(23,297 posts)"it's only a flash bang"? Probably the guy filming.
LeftInTX
(25,583 posts)Sullivan seemed to think the gun was real and the two banging guys backed away after hearing Sullivan.
Video here: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/national-international/video-shows-fatal-shooting-of-ashli-babbitt-at-u-s-capitol/2535527/
ETA: Found the other video. Someone said flash bang after the shooting. The person that said "flash bang" was further from the door than John Sullivan.
Doremus
(7,261 posts)not more than 50 feet from those doors shortly before the windows were broken out.
Had that officer not shot, the terrorists could have probably located them and done god knows what.
UpInArms
(51,284 posts)Cha
(297,742 posts)Crunchy Frog
(26,659 posts)who isn't breaking into secured area of the Capitol with violent intent towards elected lawmakers.
FWIW, I think the shooting was entirely appropriate under the circumstances, and these insurrectionists got off super easy.