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soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 06:46 PM Jan 2021

Marc Elias: They should be charged with the greatest offense possible & judges should sentence them


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Marc E. Elias
@marceelias
"The first order of business is for law enforcement to complete the task of identifying and arresting all of those who were involved. They should be charged with the greatest offense possible & judges should sentence them to the maximum sentences allowed."

The Day Democracy Was Attacked
democracydocket.com

https://t.co/vFwGcPYnSp?amp=1
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Marc Elias: They should be charged with the greatest offense possible & judges should sentence them (Original Post) soothsayer Jan 2021 OP
Here, Here Ferrets are Cool Jan 2021 #1
EXACTLY! usaf-vet Jan 2021 #42
Second superpatriotman Jan 2021 #2
Agreed, else it was just a practice run to iron out the bugs for the next one. Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2021 #3
Apparently ReTHUGs don't agree malaise Jan 2021 #4
The puke outrage would be neverending. triron Jan 2021 #19
It would be way more than outrage malaise Jan 2021 #31
Or if it had happened under a Democratic liberalhistorian Jan 2021 #24
Their response is seriously shocking malaise Jan 2021 #29
This in unquestionable. dchill Jan 2021 #5
+1,000! SheltieLover Jan 2021 #6
EXACTLY, WE CAN NOT AFFORD THEM ANYMORE EXCUSES MagickMuffin Jan 2021 #7
"Even those serving within"... LazySusanNot Jan 2021 #16
ESPECIALLY those serving within. ShazzieB Jan 2021 #17
Agreed and maybe ad the Oath Taking Traitor politicians in for good measure LazySusanNot Jan 2021 #18
Oh, I was including the politicians, at least in my mind. ShazzieB Jan 2021 #22
Of course. I assumed you included them LazySusanNot Jan 2021 #26
Agree! Best comment: ananda Jan 2021 #8
"Kicking and screaming" czarjak Jan 2021 #9
Sounds like white privilege ad121rome Jan 2021 #10
It's white privilege if they aren't dealt with harshly. Trying to overthrow... brush Jan 2021 #32
I second that - enthusiastically. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2021 #11
Absolutely. Because we got all the hard core. The truly committed. GulfCoast66 Jan 2021 #12
This. JudyM Jan 2021 #48
Hey GC66 DENVERPOPS Jan 2021 #50
Could not risk it. They would make alliance with the taliban if they thought it helped trump GulfCoast66 Jan 2021 #56
Well, this here IS Concerning...DOJ/FBI wants to let some off... Tommymac Jan 2021 #13
If there is room for leniency for the non-violent insurrectionists... Salviati Jan 2021 #28
Agreed. Tommymac Jan 2021 #33
I'd be concerned. soldierant Jan 2021 #43
What is going on with the woman at the upper left (and the man behind her) stopwastingmymoney Jan 2021 #47
Doing anything less will return us to the same spot in the future. LazySusanNot Jan 2021 #14
Throw the freakin' BOOK at 'em. calimary Jan 2021 #15
A bit over the top. I mean, they only wanted to execute people on TV and gas them to death! ffr Jan 2021 #20
Hey, we're just weeding out the "bad apples". Dream Girl Jan 2021 #21
Agreed thinkingagain Jan 2021 #23
Thank you. This is excellent. mahina Jan 2021 #25
Here, here sarchasm Jan 2021 #27
YAAAAAAAAAAASSSS catrose Jan 2021 #30
Charge them all, every single one bottomofthehill Jan 2021 #34
There would be no question about this Duppers Jan 2021 #35
these betrayals cannot be countenanced - deterrence demands maximum penalties bringthePaine Jan 2021 #36
HEAR, HEAR!! ailsagirl Jan 2021 #37
LOL Those Trumpers will really be angry whenLiberal Hollywood EnterwebsJohn Jan 2021 #38
Someone once said LAW AND ORDER! CaptainTruth Jan 2021 #39
You know, charging them all is pretty reasonable- I was for shooting every one who crossed inside. NBachers Jan 2021 #40
Who knows, maybe they'll really crack down and give them 10 years... Silent3 Jan 2021 #41
many of them are dangerous and radicalized AlexSFCA Jan 2021 #44
Privilege black-bear Jan 2021 #45
They are already talking about... N_E_1 for Tennis Jan 2021 #46
Absolutely VA_Jill Jan 2021 #49
+ about a million. Dark n Stormy Knight Jan 2021 #51
The focus on Impeachment has marginalized the crime. theneworiginal Jan 2021 #52
No argument here. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2021 #53
Well they did shoot and kill that ashli person soothsayer Jan 2021 #55
Better to stop the take over of our government now than to have to try to NoRoadUntravelled Jan 2021 #54

malaise

(296,118 posts)
4. Apparently ReTHUGs don't agree
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 06:56 PM
Jan 2021

Just imagine if the Trump terrorists were Muslims - how many countries would have been bombed by now?

liberalhistorian

(20,905 posts)
24. Or if it had happened under a Democratic
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 08:17 PM
Jan 2021

president and half of the Dem house members took part. Impeachment, expulsion, conviction and never-ending talk would have been more than immediate.

malaise

(296,118 posts)
29. Their response is seriously shocking
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 08:58 PM
Jan 2021

Their silence about their own Evangelical VP needs to be exposed big time although his own silence defies both common sense, logic or sanity. No sane person could be that power hungry.

Now we know all this crap they've been spewing for decades has no meaning - they don't give a flying fuck about democracy or violence against the police.

MagickMuffin

(18,318 posts)
7. EXACTLY, WE CAN NOT AFFORD THEM ANYMORE EXCUSES
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:06 PM
Jan 2021

They will try this again if EVERYONE isn't punished. Again and again. We came this close to losing everything.

WE CANNOT ALLOW ANYONE TO GO UNPUNISHED! THEY TRIED TO OVERTHROW OUR GOVERNMENT, EVEN THOSE SERVING WITHIN!

LazySusanNot

(192 posts)
16. "Even those serving within"...
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:43 PM
Jan 2021

My hubby was in the Army back in the late 70's. He witnessed racist tendencies in a lot of the new recruits as well as the enlisted command structure. There was also rampant sexual harassment of the new female trainees from the same. Years of lip service and 40+ years later, we still have the same problems. Both the country and the world needs to see that we live by our laws. Following them to their logical and necessary conclusions is the only way that we move forward.

Great response MM. Love your work!!!

LazySusanNot

(192 posts)
18. Agreed and maybe ad the Oath Taking Traitor politicians in for good measure
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:54 PM
Jan 2021

Last edited Sat Jan 23, 2021, 10:49 PM - Edit history (1)

The Oath they all take is not ambiguous. Problems occur when they either forget about the oath or try to equivocate on its' meaning.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
22. Oh, I was including the politicians, at least in my mind.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 08:03 PM
Jan 2021

Sorry if I didn't make that clear. That crowd is the absolute worst of the worst, imo.

LazySusanNot

(192 posts)
26. Of course. I assumed you included them
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 08:22 PM
Jan 2021

Oops. No need for apology. My response may have sounded critical - unintentionally. Just taking an opportunity to be redundant. Like yourself, my thinking right now is to keep pointing fingers at EVERYONE involved - anytime possible.

Thanks for responding. Nice to be part of the back-and-forth.....

ananda

(35,145 posts)
8. Agree! Best comment:
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:12 PM
Jan 2021

The prosecutors should re-categorize them as domestic terrorists that stormed & illegally trespassed on Federal grounds & the broke through the Capitol Police & doors

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
32. It's white privilege if they aren't dealt with harshly. Trying to overthrow...
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:01 PM
Jan 2021

the democracy can't be taken lightly.

Enjoy your stay.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
12. Absolutely. Because we got all the hard core. The truly committed.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:28 PM
Jan 2021

Yeah, thousands may think like them. But the ones willing to risk it all we all there.

Jail all them for 20 years and lots of steam goes out of the boiler.

And make sure it is publicized that they lose the right to own guns. That’s a gut punch for this crowd.

JudyM

(29,785 posts)
48. This.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 02:05 PM
Jan 2021

Small population, identified in the act; visible enforcement response could have outsized preventive repercussions. Conversely, a weak enforcement response will also speak volumes to their followers.

DENVERPOPS

(13,003 posts)
50. Hey GC66
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 03:25 PM
Jan 2021

How about this: Round up all 5K+, Issue them military gear, and drop them all in the middle of Afghanistan, and tell them all go for it!
If they want to play tough guys and play military, give them their wish.........

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
56. Could not risk it. They would make alliance with the taliban if they thought it helped trump
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 10:15 PM
Jan 2021

Besides, we’ve done enough damage there. No need to send them more religious fundamentalists. They’ve got plenty of their own.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
13. Well, this here IS Concerning...DOJ/FBI wants to let some off...
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:30 PM
Jan 2021
I say FUCK THAT! A return to Jim Crow is NOT allowed!!!!!!!!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214993371#post36


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Damn, maybe this is buried Trumpsters talking, if so they must be rooted out.

Salviati

(6,059 posts)
28. If there is room for leniency for the non-violent insurrectionists...
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 08:46 PM
Jan 2021

it should only be in the sentencing. Let them all live with federal felonies on their record.

Tommymac

(7,334 posts)
33. Agreed.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:03 PM
Jan 2021

I am not saying they all need to serve jail time - but 100's of hours of community service, a hefty fine, perhaps a 30-90 day stint on house arrest, and a felony on their records.

I'd be happy with that.

soldierant

(9,354 posts)
43. I'd be concerned.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 01:53 AM
Jan 2021

Community service is fine for some offenses.

I do not like the idea of violent seditionists (even ones who committed no actual violence at the Capitol) "serving" in my community. I want them kept away from me. Prison would accomplish that.

stopwastingmymoney

(2,347 posts)
47. What is going on with the woman at the upper left (and the man behind her)
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 12:40 PM
Jan 2021

At first I thought she was police, but no

Do I see guns?

LazySusanNot

(192 posts)
14. Doing anything less will return us to the same spot in the future.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:32 PM
Jan 2021

Without exception, justice must prevail for every one of them. Same answer to unity. Same answer to "how do we build support for the Democratic Agenda? Same answer to "what should we do first"?

Thank you for posting!

calimary

(90,021 posts)
15. Throw the freakin' BOOK at 'em.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:41 PM
Jan 2021

Lock ‘em Up! ASAP!

And throw away the key (into the sea, while aboard ship cruising through the waters above the Marianas Trench).

ffr

(23,399 posts)
20. A bit over the top. I mean, they only wanted to execute people on TV and gas them to death!
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 07:55 PM
Jan 2021
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
21. Hey, we're just weeding out the "bad apples".
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 08:01 PM
Jan 2021

Right? Isn’t that what they always say. It’s just a few bad apples who brutalize and kill black people? Get rid of the white spremists. Root them out of law enforcement and the military.

bottomofthehill

(9,390 posts)
34. Charge them all, every single one
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:14 PM
Jan 2021

Try them, convict them and lock them up. This can not pass, this was an armed insurrection against the government of the United States. They tried to take down our democracy, fuck them all, every one of them.

Duppers

(28,469 posts)
35. There would be no question about this
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:26 PM
Jan 2021

From any Republicans if the people involved wear black!

"And justice for all" means just that - justice must be enforced against these insurrectionists.

 

EnterwebsJohn

(87 posts)
38. LOL Those Trumpers will really be angry whenLiberal Hollywood
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 09:35 PM
Jan 2021

makes a movie about January 6 2021 and profits from doing so.

I would hope that they will tag the actors portraying the Terrorists with their real names on screen.

NBachers

(19,438 posts)
40. You know, charging them all is pretty reasonable- I was for shooting every one who crossed inside.
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:17 PM
Jan 2021
 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
41. Who knows, maybe they'll really crack down and give them 10 years...
Sat Jan 23, 2021, 11:18 PM
Jan 2021

...in the custody of their mommies.

AlexSFCA

(6,319 posts)
44. many of them are dangerous and radicalized
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 02:23 AM
Jan 2021

and will continue to get radicalized, they need to be charged with felony and some jail time, probation or fine.

N_E_1 for Tennis

(13,032 posts)
46. They are already talking about...
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 09:28 AM
Jan 2021

Not charging some of them. If not involved in any violence or vandalism, if they were just there in the Capitol wandering around, may be no charges. Courts would be tied up fo years, costs would be too high, blah, blah, blah.

Fucking bull... get them all.

VA_Jill

(14,371 posts)
49. Absolutely
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 02:44 PM
Jan 2021

I am tired of white people not being charged because of their white faces. You know damn well if these were black people they'd ALL be locked up. Aso any people within a hundred feet of the Capitol police officer who was murdered should be charged with felony murder. People who have done less have be charged with that.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,484 posts)
51. + about a million.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 03:41 PM
Jan 2021

The "law & order party" needs to be held responsible for their lawlessness & disorder.

theneworiginal

(302 posts)
52. The focus on Impeachment has marginalized the crime.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 04:06 PM
Jan 2021

The Impeachment is about factoids, myths, opinions and politics. The criminal trial will be about facts, evidence and ultimately, justice.

Arresting the morons and haters storming the Capital is like firing the secretary at a firm that bilked shareholders of billion$. It's just for show. Absent the successful prosecution of the pols, Pentagoners and money movers that cultivated, emboldened, coordinated, funded, transported, directly addressed and incited unrelated groups to attempt the hostile overtaking of our sovereign government, it is certain to happen again. And the next Treasonous leader will surely learn from tRump's mistakes.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100214997395

BobTheSubgenius

(12,217 posts)
53. No argument here.
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 04:24 PM
Jan 2021

Those POSes were damned lucky that the response was so late and non-aggressive. It was not beyond the realm of possibility that overwhelming force might have been deployed, on a "one warning, then start shooting" basis. Or is it just Republicans who get to threaten mayhem and death?

NoRoadUntravelled

(2,626 posts)
54. Better to stop the take over of our government now than to have to try to
Sun Jan 24, 2021, 06:32 PM
Jan 2021

win it back later. If all those involved don't have to face the full weight of Justice then we risk losing Liberty for all of us along with the Rule of Law.

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