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Captain Zero

(8,936 posts)
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 04:36 PM Jan 2021

Joe Manchin concerned re Covid Bill $$ amounts, but

In the press conference today it was noted that the FIRST state to receive a FEMA VACCINATION CENTER IS GOING TO BE, you guessed it, West Virginia.

Hell, by the end of summer Joe will get six lane highways running all over the state to the FEMA Center.

But he is CONCERNED. about all that money being proposed.

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Joe Manchin concerned re Covid Bill $$ amounts, but (Original Post) Captain Zero Jan 2021 OP
Maybe he could tell us all BlueIdaho Jan 2021 #1
Hey man I'm willing to relocate Silicon Valley to Wheeling Loki Liesmith Jan 2021 #2
Every time I think I don't like Manchin Proud liberal 80 Jan 2021 #3
Post removed Post removed Jan 2021 #4
That's unfair. I'd advise deleting that before someone (not me) alerts it. OnDoutside Jan 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author irisblue Jan 2021 #8
Well he should be more concerned about the people in Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #5
He holds a Democratic seat in a Red State, he needs to be concerned about his next election. Fund WV OnDoutside Jan 2021 #7
I could careless how much money is spent on the commons Bluethroughu Jan 2021 #12
Completely agree, Manchin knows his state and those people have OnDoutside Jan 2021 #27
He's not up for re-election again until 2024 moose65 Jan 2021 #15
I think he's using "pandering" to make his own "power play." MyOwnPeace Jan 2021 #28
I remember hearing rumours last year that he might be interested OnDoutside Jan 2021 #29
His constituents need to be cilla4progress Jan 2021 #9
Lol BGBD Jan 2021 #23
slight misinterpretation cilla4progress Jan 2021 #30
The direct payments not only help individual people. They are to boost the economy Walleye Jan 2021 #10
We need more seats. gldstwmn Jan 2021 #11
A bunch BGBD Jan 2021 #34
To those who think Manchin is better than the alternative, Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #13
+1, uponit7771 Jan 2021 #16
Except we just had a Senate election in 2020 in WV and an unapologetic progressive Democrat ran. W_HAMILTON Jan 2021 #18
It's always hard to take out an incumbent Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #20
It was a general election. BGBD Jan 2021 #24
Amen & Agree .... LenaBaby61 Jan 2021 #21
Hmmm... If only we had someone in our camp Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #22
There isn't voter suppression BGBD Jan 2021 #33
GA and WV are not the same BGBD Jan 2021 #25
I'll admit I don't know much about WV or Georgia, for that matter. Mr.Bill Jan 2021 #26
The younger versions BGBD Jan 2021 #31
You think his daughter learned to be greedy ... GeorgeGist Jan 2021 #14
It's not like MyOwnPeace Jan 2021 #32
at least it's for something good KayF Jan 2021 #17
Has he been taking lessons from Susan Collins? Wounded Bear Jan 2021 #19
Manchin clearly mischaracterized STIMULUS as some sort of handout for the poors bigtree Jan 2021 #35
My earlier point cilla4progress Jan 2021 #36

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
2. Hey man I'm willing to relocate Silicon Valley to Wheeling
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 04:40 PM
Jan 2021

If we can get some good votes out of him.

 

Proud liberal 80

(4,392 posts)
3. Every time I think I don't like Manchin
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 04:41 PM
Jan 2021

I remind myself that we are lucky to have him and the alternative would be x1000 times worse

Response to Captain Zero (Original post)

Response to OnDoutside (Reply #6)

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
5. Well he should be more concerned about the people in
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 04:42 PM
Jan 2021

This Country.

Snap out of it Manchin, don't get power hungry, you will be written into history on the wrong side. If your paying any attention, it very ugly over there.

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
7. He holds a Democratic seat in a Red State, he needs to be concerned about his next election. Fund WV
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 04:47 PM
Jan 2021

and give him the credit. It's pennies in the overall scheme of things.

Bluethroughu

(7,215 posts)
12. I could careless how much money is spent on the commons
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:02 PM
Jan 2021

Or people, I don't mean corporations my friend. I want him to prove to the red state voters, DEMOCRATIC POLICIES work for everyone, and the only way to do that is get the policies implemented when people need them. This will prove who is working for them.

OnDoutside

(20,868 posts)
27. Completely agree, Manchin knows his state and those people have
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 06:00 PM
Jan 2021

been let down so often by Republicans, there's an opportunity to make a difference.


MyOwnPeace

(17,593 posts)
28. I think he's using "pandering" to make his own "power play."
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 06:03 PM
Jan 2021

I think he'll continue to play the "poor me in the 'red state'" card as long as he can get away with it.

Yes, deliver the goods to those that need (as EVERY government worker should be doing) - but don't hold your vote back to gain more power. Instead of working to convince US why we need HIM (and threatening to withhold votes), HE should be busy convincing W.VA why THEY need him (by promising votes from US!).

cilla4progress

(26,525 posts)
9. His constituents need to be
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 04:48 PM
Jan 2021

better informed, made to see what is truly in their best interests.

He should be doing it. He's got an edge right now as a Dem senator in a red state.

But if he won't, I guess we (with help from Stacy Abrams!) will have to!

I think it's just laziness on his part.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
23. Lol
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:39 PM
Jan 2021

What is Stacy Abrams, or anyone else going to do?

One democrat can hold a senate seat in WV and its Joe Manchin. Nobody else has a snowballs chance in hell.

But I'm sure your plan to come tell all the poor ignorant country bumpkins about whats best for them will go over really well.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
34. A bunch
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 06:35 PM
Jan 2021

Open seats in NC, PA, and OH...all republican retirements.

Ron Johnson is also up for reelection in WI and we will be going after that seat with a fury.

Warnock will have to defend his seat, but I like his chances.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
13. To those who think Manchin is better than the alternative,
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:06 PM
Jan 2021

I'll bet, like me, you thought we would never be able to elect a black man and a Jewish man, both Democratic, to the Senate in Georgia, also.

W_HAMILTON

(10,384 posts)
18. Except we just had a Senate election in 2020 in WV and an unapologetic progressive Democrat ran.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:29 PM
Jan 2021

Spoiler alert: she lost by more than 43 points.

LenaBaby61

(6,991 posts)
21. Amen & Agree ....
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:36 PM
Jan 2021

Manchin is a first class ASSHOLE.

Look at Georgia: BLUE and as you said a Jewish & African-American senators who helped Dems win the Senate. But then again, I have several friends from WV, and they tell me that that state is so far in the stone age due to opioid usage and the fact that people are so demoralized that voting isn't on their radar. That's friends from there telling me this. I haven't a clue.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
22. Hmmm... If only we had someone in our camp
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:38 PM
Jan 2021

that was a proven expert in turning out the vote. Someone with the initials S.A.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
33. There isn't voter suppression
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 06:30 PM
Jan 2021

Its people choosing not to vote. WV doesn't have photo ID laws, lines are short and there are lots of polling locations. Early voting runs for a couple weeks beforehand and this year there was easy absentee voting, and thats likely to stay.

Republicans don't try to suppress voting here because they arent worried about those votes going against them.

Abrams doesn't have a magic wand. She had a plan to address specific problems im a state she was very familiar with. WV doesn't have those same circumstances.

Increase turnout and you'll increase republican votes. Really, this is like suggesting Republicans are going to win Hawaii.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
25. GA and WV are not the same
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:42 PM
Jan 2021

I could have told you a year ago we had opportunities in GA, based on demographics and trends over cycles. WV is moving in the exact opposite direction in every way.

Mr.Bill

(24,906 posts)
26. I'll admit I don't know much about WV or Georgia, for that matter.
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 06:00 PM
Jan 2021

But it seems people keep saying there's no way a Democrat can get elected there, yet one did.

I doubt Joe Manchin is the only Democrat on the planet who can get elected there. We should at least be grooming a younger version of him. He won't live forever.

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
31. The younger versions
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 06:14 PM
Jan 2021

Of him are all seeing an easier path on the republican side.

WV is very white and very old. There are no real urban areas. The biggest cities are ~50k people. Younger people who get educated usually move away.

Jim Justice won as a Democrat, but then immediately becamse a republican.

He and Manchin could win because their names are well known. They transcended party. Nobody else has that, so those races just default to whoever has the R.

MyOwnPeace

(17,593 posts)
32. It's not like
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 06:16 PM
Jan 2021

we don't have "other things" to be thinking about, but read (or scan) through the article from almost 5 years ago and see if you can find some "commonalities" - who's 'complaining' - who's 'defending' - and the topic at hand.

Yeah, Joe's got a TON of 'stuff' to do - and we NEED to be there for him and make sure it happens!

KayF

(1,345 posts)
17. at least it's for something good
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 05:14 PM
Jan 2021

the ones I hate are the ones that are for the benefit of some wealthy donor.

bigtree

(94,448 posts)
35. Manchin clearly mischaracterized STIMULUS as some sort of handout for the poors
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 07:42 PM
Jan 2021

...and he's eager to get to 'infrastructure' because he's one of the first states to have their hand out at highway and construction appropriation time.

And think about that. All of the federal facilities Byrd based in WVa. didn't make his constituents any less poor. Neither will the Covid relief money he's anticipating steering to corporations and developers in his state.

cilla4progress

(26,525 posts)
36. My earlier point
Mon Jan 25, 2021, 09:46 PM
Jan 2021

?s=19

It's about the voters. The constituents. Their reps will do what is necessary to get elected or reelected.

And if voters are making bad choices, they may need help in the form of info. Also, get out the recalcitrant progressives.

Ref. Stacy Abrams.
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