Rachel Maddow just announced that McConnell has caved and agreed to Schumer's demands

[StarfishSaver]

[Drum]

1. WOWZA!

[Walleye]

2. If Rachel said it, it must be true👏👏

[StarfishSaver]

13. During the interview, which was taped, when Rachel pressed him about this, he just said

"stay tuned" or something along those lines. It was obvious that he knew a development was in the works.

[El Supremo]

3. What? The filibuster? n/m

[StarfishSaver]

11. On organizing the Senate

[beastie boy]

20. The fillibuster is a big part of it.

Apparently, McConnell will no longer insist on keeping the fillibuster as a pre-condition for accepting the Senate rules.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

37. Because he knows the Democrats don't have the votes to get rid of the filibuster.

Mancin , for one, does not want it.

[beastie boy]

55. He thinks the Democrats don't have the votes. But he doesn't know it.

And that's the whole point of Schumer's victory. If Schumer agreed to McConnell's term, then McConnel would know for sure. Not anymore. Time passes. Things change. Scumer has leverage on Manchin. A threat to remove the filibuster is as potent as actually removing the filibuster. It makes McConnel's position far, far weaker than it would have been otherwise.

[panader0]

61. Something I hadn't considered. This shit sure can get get complicated.

Time for an overhaul, some reforms.
To me, democracy means-one person, one vote. Simple majority wins, not necessary to get 67 votes.
Popular vote totals should win. Democracy, where are you?

[StarfishSaver]

67. The Senate rules were set up this way to prevent the majority from just rolling over the minority

Giving the minority some say in what happened forced the majority to work more cooperatively with the minority. In the past, it worked out pretty well. But when Republicans were last in the minority, they abused the process so badly that the Democrats had to get rid of part of the filibuster. Now that the Republicans are back in the minority, there is no doubt they will make their past abuses of the filibuster look like a waltz.

[cstanleytech]

66. To make it even weaker though we need to win more senate seats in the next election.

Best plan to do that might be to focus on keeping what we have no and then lasering in on either two or atleast one of the most vulnerable Republican candidates running and win that seat.
Granted it will take a lot longer to gain a super majority but its probably the only way we are going to get there.

[ananda]

96. Agree. Also, aren't Dems supposed to pick up seats in 2022?

That's what I read awhile ago.

[lagomorph777]

97. That depends on what we do.

If we make things happen and crush any GOP tricksters who stand in the way, we win in 2022.

If we waste years on vain efforts to compromise with the pigs, we get crushed in 2022.

[Ellipsis]

4. Yeah, baby! n/t

[MontanaFarmer]

5. But but I've been reading all day that the

Dems are in disarray, they're getting punked, and we're doomed to the minority in 2 years. How can this be?

[beastie boy]

21. If this is what disarray looks like,

I really want to see the expression on McConnel's face when the Dems get organized!

[AllyCat]

79. Ka-Ching!

[turtleblossom]

6. Man, that was quick. What did Schumer do?

[Fiendish Thingy]

7. Just for clarity for others, this is regarding the Organizing Resolution

McConnell has agreed to use the 2001 Organizing rules for a 50/50 senate, removing his demand for Schumer to promise to keep the filibuster intact.

[WhiteTara]

16. Thank you.

Is the filibuster gone?

[groundloop]

49. No, not on normal legislation.... Manchin and Sinema won't budge on that.

HOWEVER, as Leader Schumer has pointed out, there are a shit load of things that can get done with 51 votes. Things like voting on judges, budgets, reconciliation.... and a lot of important things can be under those.

It's not as if we can now do everything we want, but at least the grownups are back in control.

[Demsrule86]

75. That may not be true in the end. Think of it as a sword over McConnells head...he won't be

able to obstruct Biden as he did Obama.

[GulfCoast66]

84. I've not paid too much attention. But my take the real play was about reconciliation.

We have the votes for a lot under it and Mitch wanted to neutralize it.

Am I off base here?

[SheltieLover]

8. Ty, Starfish!

[madinmaryland]

9. I still don't trust the turtle.

[Irish_Dem]

12. My first thought too. What is his next move.

[catrose]

51. And nobody should turn their back on him.

[Irish_Dem]

54. Never ever trust this guy in any way.

[Nexus2]

57. same here [nt]

[uponit7771]

88. +1,

[sheshe2]

10. No way!

That is true????? OMG!

[iluvtennis]

31. Love that Happy Dance gif.

sheshe2

[sheshe2]

33. I stole it.

She is adorable and suits my mood, iluvtennis.

[Blaukraut]

14. He's agreeing to the 2001 organizing rules, but what do those rules say about filibusters?

I think that's where McConnell is still going to come out ahead here. Back then, the filibuster was pretty much intact across the board. Makes me wonder if he'll use it to once again hold up judicial appointments.

[StarfishSaver]

19. Those rules say nothing about the filibuster, which is the beauty

Mitch is agreeing to the organizing resolution which he was holding up by insisting Schumer agree not to get rid of the filibuster. Now it looks like he's agreeing to the organizing resolution without that condition.

[Blaukraut]

26. Ah. I thought I read somewhere that the 2001 rules mentioned filibuster.

So no strings apparently attached. Good.

[StarfishSaver]

30. I may have misspoken

The rules may have included the filibuster since, like now, the filibuster was still permitted. But the rules also allowed for Democrats to get rid of it, which they still do.

[WA-03 Democrat]

29. Maybe Mitch knows

That we could not kill it if we wanted to. See Senators from WV and AZ. Things may change and having that option open is a plus.

[Lysol2020]

15. I really wonder

what dirt Charlie found on Mitch to make him quit so easily.

[servermsh]

17. OK, but Mitch says this. We'll have to see what it means.

“With these assurances, I look forward to moving ahead with a power-sharing agreement modeled on that precedent.”

Link to tweet

[getagrip_already]

34. it means schumer had him in a box and knew it...

chuck all but said he would have 50 votes if mitch didn't change course. Mitch knew he wasn't bluffing.

Plus the middlers get to keep up appearances at home. win-win dems.

mitch doesn't fold a winning hand, and he had one if any of the dems refused to sign on.

[Blue Owl]

18. Mitch's new home is Turtle Cave

[bucolic_frolic]

22. Schumer is animated and enthusiastic tonight

more so than I've ever seen him anyway.

[Demsrule86]

83. Winning feels good...what the naysayers miss is the filibuster being on the table still

will prevent Mitch's plan to block everything. This is why he wanted it in the agreement.

[ancianita]

23. I HEARD THAT! YAY!

[George II]

24. Great. And to think that I was just reading (here) about how Schumer caved. He's sneaky good!

[Cha]

44. I'm sure whomever stated that

will apologize for jumping the gun

[denbot]

86. .

[mcar]

59. You'll always read such here

Some on here know so much more about governing, after all.

[Vivienne235729]

25. WOW!! I am going to have to go find this....

[orangecrush]

27. Schumer

Flipped the turtle on his back!

[bluecollar2]

28. So Manchin and Sinesma

Are the new versions of Collins and Murkowski...

[getagrip_already]

32. say what? no...

mitch caved because all 50 dems were on board with eliminating the fillibuster if it meant control was at stake.

Mitch doesn't back down from a winning hand. He didn't have one and schumer did.

The dems will be there when needed. We may have to give a little, but we will get a lot.

[bluecollar2]

35. If you say so...

I remain umconvinced.

[getagrip_already]

38. now now....

it is of course mho. And rachels.

But mitch doesn't fold when he has the advantage. He must have been convinced schumer had the votes.

It doesn't really matter "if" schumer did (though I suspect he did), mitch believed it.

[Sucha NastyWoman]

46. No he caved because he knows Schumer doesn't have the votes to get rid if the filibuster

I’ve heard Manchin say he wouldn’t vote for it, and maybe there’s at least one more?

[getagrip_already]

50. manchin and sinoma just made general statements about the fillibuster as a rule...

But didn't say anything about mitch blocking control. Very carefully crafted non-statements.

They would have voted to over ride in this one instance if mitch didn't back down.

Mitch got nothing, even though he would have been perfectly happy to have no agreement and continue to chair the committees. That was a win to him.

He caved. It's only a question of why, and it wasn't the figleaf by manchin because he had that a week ago.

[denbot]

87. Concern writ large..

‘Nuff said..

[reACTIONary]

36. I read that TWO dem senators promised...

.... to uphold the filibuster. With two dems opposed Mitch doesn't have to oppose anything.

How is this a big win?

[getagrip_already]

40. it's a win because we get everything we wanted...

and mitch gets nothing.

[reACTIONary]

48. I am told (another thead)that what Mitch wanted..

... was the filibuster. He got it.

[getagrip_already]

52. he had it a week ago.....

Manchin and sinoma didn't change their overall objections. He already had that assurance.

He was about to lose it though, and he ran for his bunker.

[reACTIONary]

56. That makes more sense then...

... was that part of R.M. report? (I don't watch TV).

[moonscape]

91. He wasn't going to lose the filibuster - Manchin and S still

weren’t going to vote to get rid of it. But Schumer could get a 50 plus 1 vote to get rid of it for the one vote he needed to organize. Mitch was going to look stupid to push it since our caucus was united.

Edit: The above was what McCaskill said earlier today that Schumer could do so I assumed that was what Schumer had. . Just listening to Lawrence now and he believes Schumer was signaling on
Rachel that he had the votes to get rid of the filibuster, as you said, if Mitch remained stubborn.

If the later is true, sure wish Mitch had remained dug in!

[bluecollar2]

41. This....+100..n/t

[mvd]

43. For one thing..

Schumer gets to have the organizing resolution without an absolute promise to the Turtle. Manchin and Sinema could always change their minds, and the Turtle can’t complain after what he has done.

[Nexus2]

62. Why are Sinema and Manchin so dead set on maintaining the fillibuster?

Have they given a reason?

[Vivienne235729]

64. That's what I would like to know!

[mvd]

69. They still haven't realized how abusive the Repukes have been

And normal civility doesn’t work with the Repukes. I would like to keep it also, but not after the way the Repukes use it.

[Demsrule86]

78. Did you ever consider the motivation behind the statements was to end the McConnell rules crap?

[uponit7771]

89. ... then reverse themselves later? unnnnn, we'll see. kGOP abuses filibuster to nth degree and we

... should be able to stop them

[Demsrule86]

101. It leaves all options on the table without blowing up the Senate in the first week.

[uponit7771]

102. 👍

[Politicalgolfer]

47. Exactly

He "caved" (snort) because 2 Dem senators assure that the filibuster will stay alive & healthy forever & ever....amen.....Mitch doesn't "do" cave😠

[Demsrule86]

76. The made no such promise. They made a statement that they opposed getting rid of the filibuster,

but that could change and Mitch knows it...he wanted it in the rules so he cave and did not get what he wanted.

[Cha]

39. And, again.. I'm sure the Apologies

will be forthcoming from those who were accusing our Dems of "caving".

[bluecollar2]

42. Not from me...n/t

[Cha]

45. Yeah, That was Sarcasm.

[mcar]

60. Don't hold your breath

I care about your health.

[Cha]

63. lol.. it was very

dry :.. Could happen though. I've seen apologies on here telling they were so wrong about President Biden!

Mahalo for caring about my health, mcar!

Here's to you & yours!

[Midnight Writer]

53. I wonder if it was the Money People behind McConnell that convinced him to move things along.

Who else can snap Mitch to heel that fast?

[Vivienne235729]

65. I was thinking this too. The GOP was beginning to hemorrhage corporate donors

Bc of trump and the crazy tea party seditionists. Mitch can’t function without $. That dictates everything they do.

[mcar]

58. No, it couldn't be

Schumer caved, Dems are weak, they bring a knife to a gunfight, they're spineless...

What did I miss?

[StarfishSaver]

70. They need to learn how to fight, they need to act like Republicans, they don't understand the stakes

I'm sure there are plenty more where those came from.

[calimary]

68. GOOD. What the hell took him so long?

Maybe he saw the Maddow interview?

[BobTheSubgenius]

71. Too many variables, too many unknowns, and, historically, FAR too much perfidy from the GOP.

Maybe I'm just punch-drunk from the last 4 years.

[JHB]

72. Gotta admit, until we know more, I'm in "other shoe drops" mode

[StarfishSaver]

73. So, no matter what the Democrats do, you still assume they aren't getting it right

[JHB]

74. No, and what the hell is this insinuation about?

The only thing the last 40 years have taught me to think about Republicans is the worst, and so please forgive me for my first reaction to good news being "aw, f***, what the hell are the stinking bastards up to now?"

I kinda need to see results play out. "Reported by Rachael Maddow" isn't quite good enough to start celebrating yet, for me.

[Demsrule86]

80. I am sure it is not good enough. I on the other hand do celebrate. In order to govern, you must

be prepared to work with the other side.

[uponit7771]

90. What other side ?! The kGOP is NOT interested in democracy any longer. What else do they

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... need to show us to convince us of that?

Have their leader incite and insurrection where the flags of treason are waved in our capital building, oh wait ...

Democrats are starting to sound like stalkers, their is no other side ... Jan 6th shut that notion down hands DOWN

[Demsrule86]

99. There is no other option. We do not have a strong majority, and we have moderates in our party.

We must govern. I remind you of Biden's referencing working with Dixiecrats during the 2020 primary who's views he despised to get stuff done. You can disagree or despise the other side but unless you have a filibuster proof majority with all members of your party committed to whatever legislation is needed, you must work with the other side. That is our reality and has always been how it really worked. For more than a decade, it has not worked and our country has suffered for it. McConnell made the decision to turn down all Democratic attempts at bipartisan bills despite the fact we were in a terrible recession because he hated Obama so much...I thank God for this or we might have Chained CPI today. But on the other hand, we also didn't get to fix the ACA, work on Minimum wage, and climate. Now, times are even more desperate and we must legislate for the good of the people.

[Demsrule86]

77. That is just ridiculous. You won't get what you want all the time but we will move forward. We have

seven conservadems, moderates etc. who's seats we must protect We won't have majority without them. I am happy to have them and we will move forward with solid legislation. But don't expect perfection or a sweep with a 50 50 Senate where all our progressive dreams come true. It isn't going to happen. I hope we defy the odds and add seats at the Midterm. But we shall see. We won't get single payer but we can get a public option which will save so many lives, a $15.00 minimum wage is doable, Pandemic relieve, economic relief and getting the vaccine out... I think we will get Green new jobs as well and already much has been done via EO. Try some party loyalty for a change people maybe we will actually get some policy unlike before in our 'message' voting days. And the idea of a GOP takeover of Congress should motivate every Democrat and most independents to get out and vote.

[JHB]

82. Nice speech. Save it for someone who said anything more than...

..."I need more than 'Rachel Maddow reports' before I can believe it".

That's all I said. Why the F*** did you feel the need to throw all that other stuff on it and claim I had some kind of problem with it?

[uponit7771]

92. You are RATIONALLY skeptical relative to Moscow Mitch's last 10 years of being an asshole traitor ..

I trust the democrats intentions here I don't trust Moscow Mitch's as far as I can throw them with a broke arm.

Some people are feeling optimistic because they feel there's "another side" to deal with, I don't the "other side" left the building with Putin's Whore long ago.

After Jan 6th democrats who want to work with the "other side" are starting to sound like stalkers begging some uninterested person to love their democracy like we do.

[Demsrule86]

100. I will be blunt- there are some who are constantly looking for Democratic failure and

won't celebrate any victories for our side...if you are not among them, my apologies. ( I am not saying you do this by the way).

[GulfCoast66]

85. I agree but am not as optimistic as to what we can get done.

But a 50/50 tie with the Vice President on our side and several senators from red/purple states is not a strong hand.

If we can get $15 dollars and shore up the ACA I will be happy. Don’t see us getting the entire 1.9 Billion virus relief although there will be something. Help for the states and extended unemployment maybe.

[uponit7771]

93. 1.9 billion for CV19 relief is the start, we can't fly an airliner on 1/90 th tank of fuel it will

... just taxi to the runway and wont take off which is what Moscow Mitch wants with our economy; for it to just sit where its at.

I don't believe Machin for a second when he is concerned about debt etc., his objections to the bill aren't based on reality.

That's how the kGOP cobbled the Obama admin by keeping the state and local governments limping along and never taking the elasticity out of the work force to drive UE rate to near zero.

They're playing their old play book and we don't have a lot of time to screw around with their games

[GulfCoast66]

95. I totally agree with you on those policy points

I’m just not as optimistic about the politics of it.

[betsuni]

81. K&R

[malaise]

94. Video

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

[Alpeduez21]

98. If getting control of the committees and assuring all legislation

gets a vote is 'losing' then I don't mind.

This can mean EVERY senator has to go on record for Corona relief, healthcare, a living wage, job security, and impeachment. Not to mention every other vote that will be brought up.

Moscow Mitch, purveyor of weapons to mass murderers, gave up Repukes being responsible for the impeachment. Democrats own that and I seriously doubt a conviction is coming. I don't know how the spin will fallout on all that, though. In some circles Dems will win and in others Repukes will. It tells repuke base trolls that Dems hate the lazy lying steaming pile Hump. I believe what Moscow Mitch gets is a bit of face saving which in repuke land can mean reality isn't real.