The issue that must be resolved before anything can be acccomplished?

[kentuck]

Who won the last election?

The Congress and the Senate needs to put it to a vote so they know exactly where they stand.

They need to do it immediately.

Nothing can get accomplished if there are Senators and Congressmen that still believe Donald Trump won the election. It needs to be put to a vote.

If the US Senate cannot agree that Joe Biden won the election fair and square and that he is the President of the United States, then we have a very big problem.

If Rand Paul can stand up and make a motion that the impeachment trial is "unconstitutional", then some Democrat should make a motion to verify Joe Biden as the duly elected President of the United States.

How many of them have bought into the Big Lie?

We need to know that information before we take another step forward.

[kentuck]

1. Why is it important?

Because the people need to hear from their elected Representatives and Senators that Joe Biden won the election fair and square and none of the claims of fraud by Donald Trump were true. The people need to hear from their House and Senate.

[gab13by13]

2. I agree,

I think it's a great idea. Get this idea sent to Congress.

[Demsrule86]

10. Congress has more important things to do and the GOP would use it to attack

Biden.

[Mike 03]

34. I'm kind of on your side on this one.

I thought this was going to be a post about how we had to implement Voter Rights, so we win many more elections.

When we vote we win. That should be #1, because it's the change we can make that changes everything else going forward. Then we can tackle Global Warming, Civil Rights, COVID, and other crucial issues on our agenda.

[Demsrule86]

8. I disagree. Let it go.

[kentuck]

9. Why let it go?

What does that accomplish?

[Demsrule86]

11. What does it accomplish to give the GOP a chance to attack Biden. Put it behind us.

There is no upside to this. The election is over and we have important stuff that needs doing. It acomplishes nothing. Those who want to believe it will believe it.

[kentuck]

13. Not calling them on the lies is a big part of why we are where we are.

They cannot simply be ignored.

[Demsrule86]

26. Ignoring them combined with ridicule is our best move.

[Chainfire]

3. It would not affect the hard-core Trump Fascists

In fact, they would probably see that kind of move as more proof of the widespread corruption. The hard core are not Republicans they are Trumpets. Many hate Republicans more than Democrats, because they abandoned Trump in his hour of need.

The Trumpets will never, regardless of what is provided as proof, accept that the great one was defeated at the polls. They believe that they are among the vast majority of "real Americans" that overwhelmingly voted for Trump, and nothing will change their minds. I see no value in trying to pacify them. Screw them and their hurt feelings.

[gab13by13]

4. I am from Pa.

and the Republican party is embracing Trump here. They plan to use the talking point in 2022 that Biden stole the election to drum up voters. Making Republicans vote on the validity of the election is important because here in Pa. they are going to use a stolen election as a rallying call.

[kentuck]

6. I think it is necessary to put the factual information into the public bloodstream...

...and they could do it with a vote on the floor of the Senate. Do they believe Biden won the election or do they believe the Big Lie?

[Demsrule86]

14. The facts are there for those who want to know the truth. The others think all sorts off nutty

things, and I would not waste one second on them. In five years what will it matter? But if we save the economy and get a public option ...really improve healthcare that matters. If we get a 15 dollar minimum and fix taxes and legislate on job/ climate...those things matter The GOP would love us to keep this sort of thing up and have no accomplishments. We would still be playing on their turf.

[kentuck]

15. You assume things can be accomplished under conditions as they are...

...and that they will not attack Biden?

[Demsrule86]

17. I think we can get things done, and we have to. I see no point to keeping the election

going. What is the point? We need to work on 22 and 24 interms of the election also. I don't care what the GOP says.

[Demsrule86]

23. Also we can use reconciliation...and if we don't get stuff done than the pukes win in

22 and 24. We have to govern. We see things differently. You want the GOP to pay a price for their behavior, and I do to. But I think getting our policy through is the best revenge, and time is short. It is a miracle we tossed out a sitting president at midtem and won Georgia... doesn't often happen. Lets not waste it.

[Demsrule86]

12. And they will vote that it is stolen so does that help us?

[kentuck]

18. Yes.

We would not be working under the illusion of "bi-partisanship" and co-operation. The deceit would be public for all to see and believe or not believe. No more games.

[Demsrule86]

19. In order to get anything done, there needs to be cooperation or at least we try. Biden ran on this.

I believe there can and will be cooperation on some things but not if we keep the election going...let it go.

[Demsrule86]

21. No, the election is over period. The vote was certified, now we move on.

[StarfishSaver]

5. It would be good to do, but not a deal breaker

I don't think this is as big of an issue for most people as it is for us. And I think there are too many people desperately waiting for help from Congress to be forced to wait while Democrats to try to force Republicans to say or not say something.

This would be a good thing to do, but in the meantime, they shouldn't hold up anything else they need to do.

[kentuck]

7. It's like they are driving blindly.

..in the darkness, not knowing where they are going?

[Wounded Bear]

16. They had a vote...

they voted to certify the Electoral College results. Biden won.

Holding another vote just amplifies the falsehood that there is some doubt.

We already know who voted against certification.

[Demsrule86]

20. Exactly right and after seeing what happened to GOP who voted for impeachment they

will be less inclined to support the truth.

[kentuck]

22. Do you think that vote is the same as saying there was fraud and Biden is not really the President?

I think there would be a distinction in the vote.

Also, it would show if any had changed their minds.

[Demsrule86]

24. Who cares what they think? And they won't chage their minds publicly.

[kentuck]

27. Just as Speaker Pelosi has said...

If you have the "public sentiment", you can do anything.

So it is not wise to not care what "they think". Politics is about persuasion and getting people to believe in your side. You cannot force people to do whatever you want with sheer political power.

[Billytee]

25. I disagree because..

if you require the Senate to stand up and validate the presidential election, you are also saying there's a possibility that the election wasn't valid to begin with.
The American people have spoken! We, the people elected Pres Joe Biden and VP Kamala Harris. That is the frikking FINAL word on the election. The RepubliCONS would love it if the Senate would supersede or amend the general election and vote again. It would further validate all the BS they are spewing. I will NEVER play into the hands of insurrectionists! If there are RepubliCON senators an congressmen who don't feel the election was valid? To them, I say get over it...we're moving on with the business of running our country BETTER.

Reference:
Shortly after Pres. Shit-for-brains was elected in 2016, the republiCONS tried to eliminate "Obamacare". I can't tell you how many RepubliCONS called up Thom Hartmann's radio program who didn't know that Obamacare and the ACA were one and the same. Everyone of them were upset because they received their healthcare, meds and etc. through the ACA "Obamacare".
We need to govern for everybody....improve our country...make serious progress and you will see many come onboard who otherwise wouldn't be there.
President Franklin Roosevelt knew what he was doing and put forth a great example.

[kentuck]

29. I think that is what they are saying right now. Trump won. The election was a fraud.

Trump is still pushing that lie from Mar-a-Lago and the Republicans are circling the wagons around him. It is not a battle that has already been won in the public mind.

[Billytee]

31. Let them push whatever they want to push.

The democrats have been seated by the MAJORITY of the american electorate. As far as the election, that's it...game over man. We need to govern well to benefit ALL the people. Our country is a LIBERAL country. When programs/bills are passed to benefit all, you will see all those who "sign on".

[NNadir]

32. You validate a lie when you take it too seriously.

[Crunchy Frog]

33. None of them have "bought into it". They all know it's a lie,

with the possible exception of a couple new qanon House members.

It's just a politically expedient lie that they're choosing to go along with.