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MelissaB

(16,595 posts)
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:07 PM Jan 2021

News --W/ a bit more than a week before trial Trump's two lead attorneys are no long on the team.

News — With a little more than a week before his impeachment trial is set to begin, President Trump's legal team is up in the air. Butch Bowers and Deborah Barbier, who were expected to be two of the lead attorneys, are no longer on the team, @GloriaBorger
& I are told. Story TK.




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News --W/ a bit more than a week before trial Trump's two lead attorneys are no long on the team. (Original Post) MelissaB Jan 2021 OP
Let me guess, he wouldn't pay the retainer still_one Jan 2021 #1
No pay up front, no play. keithbvadu2 Jan 2021 #23
I am SO surprised! leftieNanner Jan 2021 #2
I WANT TRUMP TO BE HIS OWN ATTORNEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! trueblue2007 Jan 2021 #46
Bwahahahahaha! DonaldsRump Jan 2021 #3
I understand Lin Wood may be available... brooklynite Jan 2021 #4
I wish this was a joke... First Speaker Jan 2021 #13
IKR !? uponit7771 Jan 2021 #22
Maybe the TX AG is available. SharonClark Jan 2021 #5
Bowers was s'pose to be the Big Gun!! Budi Jan 2021 #6
Check must have bounced! VA_Jill Jan 2021 #7
On CNN now n/t malaise Jan 2021 #8
I hope he represents himself eleny Jan 2021 #9
Chump would if he could but ... FakeNoose Jan 2021 #24
Heeheeheehee ShazzieB Jan 2021 #10
Rudy, Ellis, and "Kraken" Powell are all on standby..... magicarpet Jan 2021 #11
What A Revoltin' Development this is! Brother Buzz Jan 2021 #12
Chester A Riley! catchnrelease Jan 2021 #31
TY! Cha Jan 2021 #14
No, these posts are disgraceful. This relates to the impeachment trial of a President DonaldsRump Jan 2021 #15
Not surprised Butch Bowers is out. Girard442 Jan 2021 #16
Dontcha love how these lawyers always seem to think it will go differently for them? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #17
Actually these 2 lawyers were repectable, gab13by13 Jan 2021 #41
That's my point. Why'd they get involved in the first place? They thought it would be different? StarfishSaver Jan 2021 #58
Delay tactic perhaps? Lucky Luciano Jan 2021 #18
+1 nt orleans Jan 2021 #42
I think the ex Vermont lawyers Toensing and Digenova are available for a few $$$$s erronis Jan 2021 #19
Link to a CNN article on this iluvtennis Jan 2021 #20
There's not gonna be a legal team! There will only be more "Stop the Steal" showmanship bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #21
Yup. This is like the Mueller investigation when wnylib Jan 2021 #54
Well stated. bucolic_frolic Jan 2021 #59
He signed someone named Josh Howard. He was at Clinton's trial. Oops-already resigned!! 58Sunliner Jan 2021 #25
I understand tiptonic Jan 2021 #26
Donnie shouldn't have dissed Rudy. He's gonna need him, L. Lin Wood, and Sidney Powell too. patphil Jan 2021 #27
Sidney Powell has actually argued cases before Appellate Courts, Blue_true Jan 2021 #48
Yeah, it is kind of amazing. patphil Jan 2021 #52
Not "kind of", really freaking amazing given her clear idiocy. Blue_true Jan 2021 #55
Interesting opening gambit: "Gee I can't find a lawyer" BarbD Jan 2021 #28
Perhaps Barr will step up to defend him MyMission Jan 2021 #29
Well, I hope his lack of representation doesn't postpone the trial. Cozmo Jan 2021 #30
Here's the latest report from Kaitlan Collins. A THIRD lawyer has resigned! Explanation: George II Jan 2021 #32
Crimy donny wanted them to repeat his big lie over and over... Lock him up. Jan 2021 #37
Too stupid! Even if he COULD prove the election was stolen... thesquanderer Jan 2021 #44
Paging Orly Taitz! Paging Orly Taitz! SeattleVet Jan 2021 #33
LOL MustLoveBeagles Jan 2021 #49
Haw! Butchie was the one who was supposed to strike fear into us. Grokenstein Jan 2021 #34
Delay Tactic Roy Rolling Jan 2021 #35
What about Jared? People say that he is qualified to do anything. Marie Marie Jan 2021 #36
Maybe this is why Tiffany went to law school. kskiska Jan 2021 #38
Guess the mango Mussolini has his own insurrection to deal with. Enoki33 Jan 2021 #39
How can you defend the indefensible? spanone Jan 2021 #40
time to call up........... Takket Jan 2021 #43
Ha! MustLoveBeagles Jan 2021 #51
Besides, they are a bit inanimate now...sort of like Rudi. patphil Jan 2021 #53
LOL MustLoveBeagles Jan 2021 #57
So, Alan Dershowitz, how about a little pro bono? Goodheart Jan 2021 #45
My guess is they asked for payment upfront. Blue_true Jan 2021 #47
No that's not it, gab13by13 Jan 2021 #50
When they hear he has lost his legal team they shouldn't hesitate. He's never going to have Ford_Prefect Jan 2021 #56
Sucks to be tRump Blue Owl Jan 2021 #60

trueblue2007

(19,253 posts)
46. I WANT TRUMP TO BE HIS OWN ATTORNEY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 11:41 PM
Jan 2021

I WANT THE WHOLE WORLD TO VIEW HIS UGLY FAT FACE FOR 8 DAYS STRAIGHT...... 5 hours every day.













FakeNoose

(41,691 posts)
24. Chump would if he could but ...
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:06 PM
Jan 2021

... he has no legal credentials whatsoever. Other than being a defendant.





catchnrelease

(2,151 posts)
31. Chester A Riley!
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:30 PM
Jan 2021

Lol, as soon as I read your subject line I knew who it was. Am I old or what???

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
15. No, these posts are disgraceful. This relates to the impeachment trial of a President
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:20 PM
Jan 2021

It is far too important to trivialize. There is only one thing to say:

Girard442

(6,887 posts)
16. Not surprised Butch Bowers is out.
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:26 PM
Jan 2021

I'm still about 95% convinced he was fictitious. Seriously? Butch?

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
17. Dontcha love how these lawyers always seem to think it will go differently for them?
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:30 PM
Jan 2021

That they can handle the crazy that their countless number of predecessors couldn't?

gab13by13

(32,354 posts)
41. Actually these 2 lawyers were repectable,
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 11:04 PM
Jan 2021

the fact that they quit tells me that they wouldn't lie for Trump.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
58. That's my point. Why'd they get involved in the first place? They thought it would be different?
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:57 AM
Jan 2021

Lucky Luciano

(11,864 posts)
18. Delay tactic perhaps?
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 09:57 PM
Jan 2021

“Give me time to find proper representation.”

Give him the public defender.

erronis

(23,917 posts)
19. I think the ex Vermont lawyers Toensing and Digenova are available for a few $$$$s
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:00 PM
Jan 2021

Not that they have done anything useful yet, but the 45th time might be a charm.

bucolic_frolic

(55,180 posts)
21. There's not gonna be a legal team! There will only be more "Stop the Steal" showmanship
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:02 PM
Jan 2021

You expect Trump to change gears? Submit to accountability? Risk pleading anything other than how unfair it all is? Where have you been hiding? That's not how Trumpie does it, and you all know better.

wnylib

(26,045 posts)
54. Yup. This is like the Mueller investigation when
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:21 AM
Jan 2021

Trump wanted to testify under oath and his attorney quit while several advisors finally convinced him not to do it, but to only give written answers to a questionaire that they could go over with him.

This time, his attorneys wanted to use the angle that the trial is unconstitutional rather than actually address the legal issues of whether Trump incited an attack on the Capitol. But Trump is determined to "prove" his false claims of election fraud instead of sidestep the issue on constitutional grounds. Also, this time he does not have the group of advisors that he had had his first years in the WH.

The issue of constitutionality is interesting coming from the RWers who call themselves strict constitutionalists. The constituition does not forbid a trial after leaving office, so a strict constitutionalist should not present the argument that the trial is not constitutionally allowed.

The fact is that the impeachment occurred whle Trump was in office. The trial was delayed by the then Senate majority leader. It COULD have been held sooner. The charges and trial are timely, occurring within weeks of the crime. It is a serious and risky thing to convict someone who is out of office, but it would be worse to let a president get away with crimes during the lame duck period on the grounds that he could not be accountable since he is leaving. Especially in this case since the crime is trying to overthrow an election with an attack on Congress.

58Sunliner

(6,331 posts)
25. He signed someone named Josh Howard. He was at Clinton's trial. Oops-already resigned!!
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:08 PM
Jan 2021

Last edited Sat Jan 30, 2021, 11:17 PM - Edit history (1)

"A prominent Raleigh lawyer is joining former President Donald Trump’s legal team for the upcoming impeachment trial in the U.S. Senate.

Josh Howard is a white collar defense attorney with the local firm Gammon, Howard and Zeszotarski. He has long been involved in Republican politics.

He was chairman of the N.C. State Board of Elections under former Republican Gov. Pat McCrory from 2013 to 2016." His father represented Nixon.

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/article248813984.html

tiptonic

(765 posts)
26. I understand
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:09 PM
Jan 2021

I understand Congress woman Greene of Georgia, may be available. She luvs Benedict donald. For the right price too.

patphil

(9,083 posts)
27. Donnie shouldn't have dissed Rudy. He's gonna need him, L. Lin Wood, and Sidney Powell too.
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:10 PM
Jan 2021

This is gonna be a real circus.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
55. Not "kind of", really freaking amazing given her clear idiocy.
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:37 AM
Jan 2021

She must have hit her head really hard on something at some point.

BarbD

(1,443 posts)
28. Interesting opening gambit: "Gee I can't find a lawyer"
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:10 PM
Jan 2021

If the Republican legal whiz kids think this is a slam dunk, why can't they step up?

MyMission

(2,010 posts)
29. Perhaps Barr will step up to defend him
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:11 PM
Jan 2021

Which would be convenient, since he'd have lawyer client privilege and therefore couldn't testify about anything 45 tried to get him to do that caused him to leave his AG position, whether he was fired or quit over his refusal to support the planned insurrection.

Scary thought.
But then, maybe Barr has already been called as a witness, so he couldn't take the case.

Lock him up.

(9,795 posts)
37. Crimy donny wanted them to repeat his big lie over and over...
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:59 PM
Jan 2021
And no pay up front (as usual).

A person familiar with the departures told CNN that Trump wanted the attorneys to argue there was mass election fraud and that the election was stolen from him rather than focus on the legality of convicting a president after he's left office. Trump was not receptive to the discussions about how they should proceed in that regard.

The attorneys had not yet been paid any advance fees and a letter of intent was never signed.

thesquanderer

(13,012 posts)
44. Too stupid! Even if he COULD prove the election was stolen...
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 11:36 PM
Jan 2021

...(which he can't, because it wasn't)...

...it would NOT be a defense for inciting a riot.

It would be like shouting fire in a crowded movie theater, and making your defense, "The movie sucked."

Grokenstein

(6,357 posts)
34. Haw! Butchie was the one who was supposed to strike fear into us.
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 10:45 PM
Jan 2021

Don't worry, Dim Don, Rudy is still (inexplicably) loyal to you.

kskiska

(27,165 posts)
38. Maybe this is why Tiffany went to law school.
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 11:02 PM
Jan 2021

I haven't heard anything about her passing a bar exam, though. Maybe now that she's engaged to a billionaire she won't need to work.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
47. My guess is they asked for payment upfront.
Sat Jan 30, 2021, 11:41 PM
Jan 2021

Trump then realized that he could not stiff them.

gab13by13

(32,354 posts)
50. No that's not it,
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:06 AM
Jan 2021

all 5 lawyers quit, per CNN.

Trump wanted them to say there was massive voter fraud and that's why they all quit.

Ford_Prefect

(8,616 posts)
56. When they hear he has lost his legal team they shouldn't hesitate. He's never going to have
Sun Jan 31, 2021, 12:40 AM
Jan 2021

competent representation. Insist on Cruz or Nunez or some other sycophant and carry on.

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