How can I convince my SIL...
My SIL is a former sheriffs deputy who has fierce loyalty to the police. He is a good man. A wonderful husband and a great father to my 5-yr old granddaughter. However, he insists on hanging a Blue Lives Matter flag on his front step. I dont know how to get him to understand that the meaning of that flag isnt what he thinks or at the least has changed from what it was originally meant to be. He believes it is supporting law enforcement but I see it differently. When I see that flag, I think of police overreach, radical extremism and white supremacy. I know he doesnt see it that way, but I am concerned that he is giving his neighbors the idea that he is of that ilk. I think he is just being stubborn.
Im not sure how to approach him about this. Any suggestions would be very welcome.
were fighting the cops? I can't remember where/when that happened, but it was since the election.
It's not the best argument, but if you want to play dirty try to find pics or video of people wielding the flag while doing anti-cop things. Show how it's a symbol used by violent thugs who aren't actually pro-cop at all.
"If blue lives matter to you, you must really be against Trump who incited a mob to go after the Capitol Police."
Actually, I'm tending to back off now, as arguing tends to harden people in their position. You could try going the softer route, asking him as someone with knowledge how he thinks policing could be improved-- what would he do if he were in charge.
I have found that often even those who seem entrenched actually have ideas and thoughts about what could be done better. I have a friend who (though a scientist) is "pretty sure" human activity isn't "that big a cause" of climate change. I used to argue with him, but we got nowhere. Then I thought to say, "Hmm. Even if it's not the only cause, you're saying human activity does have an effect. And human activity is something we can affect, unlike volcanoes. So... do you have any ideas what could be done to cut down on what we can cut down on? Maybe some technological solutions?"
He actually stopped arguing and started talking about potential engineering solutions that he'd been reading about. I was pretty surprised, but I think my acknowledgement of his own knowledge helped. I didn't say, as I did before, "How on earth can a scientist ignore the science!" Instead I tried, "As a scientist, can you help me think through some partial solutions?"
I don't know if that will help, but you might say, "As a law-enforcement veteran, can you help me think through ways to help making police and the community more cooperative?"
who knows... he sounds like a great guy, so if you ask him to "help," maybe that will break through the barrier.
The black and white one with the one blue line?
I guess not very much, if he's flying that tacky cheap-looking rip-off of the design.
If he's patriotic at all, you could try to play on that angle, that while you agree with the overall sentiment he's trying to express, that particular flag is offensive because it's a desecration of the United States flag.
like my son and DIL. I'm sick to death about it; they even have a life sized cardboard tRump in their house! I'd give anything for them only to be supporting "Blue Lives Matter."
I'd really just let it go. You won't change his mind -- perhaps in time, but not right now.
I was thinking of sending to them.
Almost 30 police officers attended the Capitol rally. It should come as no surprise.
Jan 16, 2021
And in addition to perpetuating racist violence and mass incarceration while on the job, police have also had a presence in white nationalist groups. In the 1920s, probably the single largest occupational group in the Klan were police, or other officers of law and order, like sheriffs deputies, Gordon told Vox. And while we dont know the specific affiliations of the officers under investigation for their role last Wednesday, it should be no surprise to see police at a rally alongside white nationalists or to see pro-police blue lives matter flags at the same event with Confederate flags and other racist symbols.
White supremacy has really crept into police forces, Sabrina Karim, a professor of government at Cornell University who studies global policing, told Vox earlier this week. And to a meaningful extent, its been there from the beginning.
October 29, 2020
Donald Trumps racist attacks, dog whistles, and comments havent slowed down in the weeks and days leading up to the presidential election. From his digs at Barack Obama to his refusal to condemn white supremacist groups, Trump is feeding the flames of white supremacy more than ever despite his assertion that he was the least racist person in this room during last weeks debate. In his latest "least racist" act, Trump has taken to blatantly featuring Blue Lives Matter flags at his events and rallies.
At gatherings in Wisconsin, including one in Janesville, Trump displayed the flag in a prominent place next to the American flag. But then there was a noticable shift: last weekend, at a rally in Waukesha, WI, the Blue Lives Matter flag replaced the American flag altogether.
..Represents the 'Thin Blue Line' that keeps honest and honorable LEOs from speaking out of offenses that the 'Bad Apples' commit. Let him know that not reporting abuses that those officers commit taint all LEOs and that is why movements like BLM have propagated and will continue to grow.
Lastly ask him if he's seen or know of any of his fellow officers who have lied in court or on official reports. If he says that he isn't aware of any then he must be blind to the reality of human nature to persevere their income and position in society.
It won't work, IMO, but it may make him think.
are the good ones
at the treasonous insurrection
like everyone else. Here is a good article about it
All of it is good food for thought. Ill mull it over and come up with a way to broach the subject with him.
Sorry, I shoulda figured that out.
I kept thinking sister, but you were
talking about a male. Derrppp
Once something is added to it the flag no longer is the USA flag.