Ulysses s Grant quote it applies today.

[TEB]

There are two parties now traitors and patriots. And I want hereafter to be ranked with the latter. And I trust the stronger party.

[hlthe2b]

1. As an amateur historian, I'm pleased to see Grant get a reassessment today

He was the right man for the times in many ways.

[TEB]

2. I have a obsession with General Grant

I will read anything I can get about him. And on my interest in history. As others such as Hannibal of Carthage or East front. We have a nation today because of General Grant and his army. He was a war fighter he pinned Lee as he was trying to bag in retreat to joe Jackson army after Richmond.

[panader0]

3. Ha! I was a big Civil War buff when I was young.

As a kid, I had a file box that listed every battle, listing casualties, etc. I have many books from my youth.
One is a set called the photographic history of the Civil War--five thick volumes with thousands of photos.
https://www.amazon.com/Photographic-History-Civil-War-Set/dp/0785829121/ref=sr_1_5?crid=G9R7PCM3MDZQ&dchild=1&keywords=photographic+history+of+the+civil+war+set&qid=1612181657&s=books&sprefix=Photographic+History+of+the+Ci%2Cstripbooks%2C240&sr=1-5

[rpannier]

4. Grant has always been one of my favorites

He sits with the Roosevelts on my list of great Presidents

[NNadir]

6. I am 1000% with you, particularly the reassessment of his Presidency.

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I personally regard his presidency as the second most important of the 19th century.

[HUAJIAO]

12. Don't you mean the 19th century?

[NNadir]

13. Yep. Typo. I'll fix it.

[mountain grammy]

21. Yes, so true.

History in my youth painted Grant as a drunk. Of course further study put that to rest and I'm grateful. After Chernow's book and the 3 part series it spawned, I hope he has a better place in our history.. He certainly deserves it.

[mitch96]

5. Grant was kinda sorta the tRump of his day in many ways... Scandals for sure...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_administration_scandals
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[NNadir]

7. One would only make that comparison if one knows almost no history.

It's actually obscene.

[mitch96]

8. Ouch, was that meant to hurt? What was the "actual" history? Educate me oh wise one...nt

[NNadir]

9. No, it was just to make a point. I've spent many years educating myself. However...

...I'm not an educator professionally, and it in no way my responsibility to disabuse anyone of a cartoonish view of history.

The Presidency of Ulysses S. Grant was essential to saving the country, but the racist reformers of his time did everything in their power to malign it because they were unable to tolerate his efforts on behalf of African American former slaves.

If you're interested - and I don't think you are - you could, um, read a book, for example one of the many modern histories of Grant's Presidency that have been written but that might take time, wouldn't it?

Stick with cartoons. They're easier to grasp.

[mitch96]

10. Yup, a definite poke in the eye... having a bad day bunky? nt

[NNadir]

11. Not really, kiddie. It's passingly fun to correct junk thought, but one shouldn't spend too...

...much time on it, since there are useful things to do.

[mitch96]

17. "but one shouldn't spend too much time on it"

So we agree on something...This conversation has no practical purpose.
Have a good day sir/ma'am....
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[HUAJIAO]

14. You have more patience than I would.

[Auggie]

20. Read this book for more insight

Grant was a good man. Naive, as politics go, but honest, smart and hardworking.

[mountain grammy]

22. Please, don't get your history from Wikipedia..

In depth history is far more interesting.. Try Chernow's book, which is daunting in it's size but fascinating. The 3 part series based on the book is also excellent.

You really shouldn't put Grant and what's his name in the same sentence. Not even close.

[mitch96]

26. Got it, thanks... I read a review of Ron Chernow's book on grant and it looked inviting..

Constructive criticism is much more inviting that a poke in the eye..
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[70sEraVet]

15. I've noticed that older men, like myself,

begin to find war history interesting. I suspect that is because we are old enough to be safe from having to fight in any of them.

[TEB]

16. I was lucky 84-87!

I volunteered infantry and never no war

[Ramsey Barner]

18. Grant was also an excellent writer.

The OP quote is from a letter to his father, I think. His Personal Memoirs are a great read.

[RobertDevereaux]

19. Yes, and without Mark Twain, we would lack that memoir...

https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/how-mark-twain-helped-ulysses-s-grant-write-his-personal-memoirs.htm

A fascinating story all on its own.

[safeinOhio]

23. Both he and Sherman were great Republicans.

Now that the South has turned Republican, they need more statues of them in the South.

[Klaralven]

24. After the Civil War, Sherman was very effective in subduing the Plains Indians.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tecumseh_Sherman#General_of_the_Army

[safeinOhio]

25. The Sherman March...

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[LeftInTX]

27. With huge signs saying: "A great Republican"

Can't leave that out!

[JudyM]

28. This would be good framing for a graphic meme. Two columns, showing what D'S and R's stand for.

That’d make clear at a glance who the traitors and patriots are.