Searching for any Announcement or Rumors of Lisa and/or Mitt leaving the TRumpliCon Party

[msfiddlestix]

Or any other Senator I hadn't thought of.

It's Monday, Feb 1st 2021 and with all that is before Biden to deal with, Moscow Mitch is still clinging to Power to obstruct everything we need to get done to move this country out of our catastrophic crises in addition to having a functioning government to see it happen.

His routine playbook.. and it has to be stopped now.

The only thing I can think of to remedy the situation is if one or two people attached to the letter R, leaves that rotten corrupt party and at least register as Independents and caucus with the Dems at least for now.

But I'm not finding any announcement to that effect, and that's really worrying.

[gab13by13]

1. I have been praying for that.

[msfiddlestix]

3. It just seems strange they haven't by now.

Yes, they have been very disappointing, yes I recall the impeachment trial last year. But Murkowski so much as said she wonders if she belongs to the Republican Party anymore if Trump remains Party Leader. Well, he's still their leader. She has to know that.

It wouldn't be necessary for her to join the Democratic party, she could become an Independent That would give her the space to go back if and when Trump no longer controls the party, which he still does.

[liskddksil]

2. Not gonna happen. They are Republicans through and through. Expect to be dissapointed.

Your time is better spent, pushing your members of Congress and Senators to implement Biden's agenda.

[Zorro]

13. Yep. They're not going anywhere.

Their interests may on rare occasions coincide with those of the Democrats, but they're Republicans at heart.

[Drunken Irishman]

4. Romney would never leave. Or if he did, he'd still caucus with the Republicans.

If he were to ever caucus with the Democrats, it would be the end of him politically in Utah. A Republican would run against him and likely win. The only thing he can do is run as an independent and still caucus with the GOP.

[msfiddlestix]

16. Of course you're on point. I think my calculus leaned toward a loss for Mitt anyway

based on what he has said already. So the party considers him a traitor for simply agreeing on the obvious truth, taken together with that statement regarding TRUTH I'm pretty sure I read huge backlash from trumplicons in Utah. Maybe that report was wrong. But if it is true, then he's already lost the next election.

[brooklynite]

28. Utah has always been Trump's weakest Red State...

Romney can be anti-Trump but not anti-Republican.

[msfiddlestix]

30. Isn't he considered by the radicals anti-republican with his remarks

pushing back on the big lie? Wouldn't being an Independent even in Utah be appealing to more voters in Utah considering what's happened to that party?

[brooklynite]

32. Again, we're talking about voters in Utah, not the Trump base.

[Hortensis]

5. Leave now while they're fighting for control? No one knows who's going to win,

if anyone. Will the party come together, and as what, or break apart?

Of course it makes sense that two main leaders trying to rescue it, both for something approaching traditional conservatism and for his God (Armageddon's still coming and God presumably still intends America's military to battle for him, not Satan), aren't walking out.

[CrispyQ]

6. Someone on DU posted that they read that Tim Scott might switch parties,

but I haven't read anything in the news about that one, either.

[msfiddlestix]

17. Interesting. I've tried to recall anything he's ever expressed in public or on the Senate Floor

about anything, any issue, at any time. I just can't recall ever hearing a word from his mouth. Only noting he always votes with Linseed no matter what it is including the first impeachment trial.

[Turin_C3PO]

7. Don't hold your breath.

They’re Republicans through and through.

[msfiddlestix]

22. Yeah. You're right, just thought all weekend that if anything was going to happen like that..

it would be reported here in big bold type.

[abqtommy]

8. I don't really care where Mitt goes, just as long as he leaves...

[LeftInTX]

9. 'No way': Murkowski rules out switching parties.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/01/22/murkowski-party-switch-461341

[msfiddlestix]

18. She just wants to see Trump gone. Except He ISN'T GONE.

She's deluding herself thinking he is until and unless Trump is locked up behind bars for the rest of his natural life.

[LeftInTX]

10. Unless they're in a swing state, someone worse will take their place

Cliven Bundy could move to Utah and win

[msfiddlestix]

19. ohhh f**K.

Thanks for reminder.

[LeftInTX]

26. Murkowski won as a write in candidate in 2010, but I'm pretty sure it had to do with the size of AK

The population of the entire state of Alaska is smaller than the city of San Antonio.

She was primaried by a Tea Partier. If a MAGAT primaries her she might be successful as a write-in again.

A larger state, probably wouldn't have the same results for a write-in...

[CrispyQ]

25. This.

And expect to see more Q-anon whackos elected in 2022.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

11. Collins could switch without any consequences

I doubt that Mitt could switch (in Utah) as easily.

[msfiddlestix]

21. I sort of thought about her based on her adoring remarks for her relationship with Biden

But god what we went through with her.... it's sickening thought. But I suppose it could be worse with anyone else.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

29. Definitely not saying I'm a fangirl of hers

but she'd be better than most of the other potential candidates. I also kind of tend to think that this last election might be her last(?)

[LeftInTX]

23. Agree with regards to Collins

[Towlie]

12. It's complicated. Maybe a single defecting Republican senator wouldn't be as good as it might seem.

 
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Right now the tie-breaker, Vice President Kamala Harris, is an uncompromising Democrat.

If a Republican senator defects then the vote would be 51-49 on an issue only if the defecting senator goes along with it.

But if the defecting senator still embraces Republican values to some degree and doesn't go along with the Democrats on a particular issue, matters would be no different from what they are now except that the defecting senator would have an excessive amount of leverage in compromising senate actions: "Take this provision out or else I'll make you call in Kamala Harris."

At least that's how it seems to me, but like I said, it's complicated.

[msfiddlestix]

20. Yes, true. I'm thinking Manchin.

He's raising Cain because VP Harris went to WV to make the case for passing this bill to the voters in WV, yet doesn't see the problem he cause by shooting it down right out the gate in public. So I have no empathy for his whining about what the VP did over the weekend.

[Kaleva]

14. It's my understanding that both sides agreed to a power sharing arrangement.

The only thing that can change this is if we have a net gain of at least one in the 2022 election.

[LizBeth]

15. Last week Murkowski said it was not gonna happen. Romney, no way. He wants 2024.

[apnu]

24. Murkowski could go indy and keep her seat

She got tossed in a primary, ran indy and won in Alaska. The GOP has a thin hold up there, though the state is generally conservative and isolationist. So she could easily run as an indy, win, and choose who she caucuses with and when.

Mittens? I dunno. Depends on what the Mormons want in Utah. How high are they on the GOP right now?

[msfiddlestix]

27. That's what I remembered about Lisa, that she did run Indy after losing as a Repub

But then what happened? She re-registered as a Republican?

But your point reminds me it's what I read sometime ago and fed my hope that she'd see the light and make this change.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

33. This came up the last time this was discussed

I was told that she re-registered as a Republican but in any event she's a Republican and caucuses with them.

[apnu]

34. Yes in 2010, wikipedia has a summary

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Murkowski#2010

She won with a write-in campaign backed by Native peoples and the state teachers and fire fighters unions.

If she was done with the Republicans as she strongly hints she is, there's a path for her in that state as an Indy and caucusing with Dems. Its not like Native Americans, nor union members are super high on the GOP in general.

[malaise]

31. A few weeks ago one of my siblings told me that at least five ReTHUGs

were going to move to Independent

[msfiddlestix]

35. Are they position to actually know? Or is it their instinct/hunch based on weather vanes and stuff?

I'd love to know if your siblings were staff members, or close to power centers that "know stuff".

[malaise]

36. Has lived in a particular space for decades and knows folks in the know on both sides

[msfiddlestix]

37. Well, I'm intrigued. Pray tell, can we have a sneak peaky at the potential names?