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JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:54 AM Feb 2021

Schumer quietly nails down the left amid AOC primary chatter

Politico

The congresswoman’s decision on whether to challenge New York's senior senator may hinge on how he wields the new Democratic majority.

By HOLLY OTTERBEIN

02/01/2021 04:30 AM EST

Just a few weeks after a group of young climate activists, accompanied by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, orchestrated a highly publicized sit-in in House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s office in late 2018, their Sunrise Movement received an unexpected email from Chuck Schumer’s staff.

Could the rabble-rousers meet with the then-Senate minority leader? He wanted to talk to them about his agenda if Democrats ever won back the Senate, which included tackling climate change, democracy reform, and economic and racial inequality. Before long, his team was asking for their support on a clean cars proposal.

Schumer’s outreach was likely no coincidence. New York, the veteran senator’s home state, is the epicenter of the progressive movement’s efforts to oust incumbent Democrats in Congress. And Schumer, who is up for reelection in 2022, has been taking steps both publicly and privately to steel himself from a left-wing primary challenge — especially from his biggest threat, Ocasio-Cortez.

At the time of the meeting, Ocasio-Cortez was fresh off her stunning primary upset victory. She hadn’t even been sworn into office yet. But in the two years since then, Schumer has thrown his weight behind a plan to cancel student loan debt by executive order. He's voted against the United States-Mexico-Canada Agreement. He’s said “nothing is off the table” when it comes to eliminating the filibuster. And that’s only a fraction of the progressive moves he’s made in recent years. It still hasn’t inoculated him from the possibility of a primary.

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Schumer quietly nails down the left amid AOC primary chatter (Original Post) JoeOtterbein Feb 2021 OP
Political foam. I don't see AOC successfully challenging Schumer in the near future... Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #1
Definitely agree..nt monmouth4 Feb 2021 #2
Why put Senate seats at risk? empedocles Feb 2021 #3
Gillibrand is very popular in New York Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #7
That was before the Franken mess. radius777 Feb 2021 #45
No that was her last election in 18 Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #47
Whether or not she has any such plans, the left is able to apply pressure. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #13
I think it would be interesting if she ran for a statewide office to see if she could win an electio still_one Feb 2021 #4
She'll have a much better Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #5
I don't think she would win the primary if she tried it. I agree with your assessment that she still_one Feb 2021 #8
I agree. Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #9
Do you think...a second year Congresswoman with no executive experience could not govern Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #19
What I said is at this time I do not think she could win a statewide election outside of her still_one Feb 2021 #22
She won't beat Schumer in a primary. brush Feb 2021 #10
I'll go with your analysis. Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #11
If she wants to be senator she should follow Clinton's lead Retrograde Feb 2021 #39
AOC has never said she was thinking about running against Schumer Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #6
right bigtree Feb 2021 #18
Funny, they asked her and she didn't say no. MrsCoffee Feb 2021 #26
So, the poster is correct. Mariana Feb 2021 #29
They asked if she would rule it out. MrsCoffee Feb 2021 #36
She said she was still deciding what her plans for the future are. Mariana Feb 2021 #38
It's interesting that this story doesn't contain a single quote from AOC. Mariana Feb 2021 #30
She has not ruled it out. former9thward Feb 2021 #40
The NY post is not a credible source Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #41
The Post was reporting a story in an online blog that AOC had interviewed with. former9thward Feb 2021 #42
And please show the exact quote Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #43
She said she is not ruling it out. former9thward Feb 2021 #49
OK Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #51
How would I do that? former9thward Feb 2021 #57
Yes I do Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #58
Since it is in the media and coming from a AOC supported tweeter former9thward Feb 2021 #60
Why not show the exact quote Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #61
Wait! Are you saying that a Murdoch News Corp asset would run divisive articles hurting Democrats? TheBlackAdder Feb 2021 #46
Lol 😂 Dem4Life1102 Feb 2021 #48
Are the quotes made up? former9thward Feb 2021 #50
Can you find the quote of the question she was asked? Mariana Feb 2021 #52
This is the interview from the Punchbowl News former9thward Feb 2021 #53
That tweet does not include the actual question she was asked. Mariana Feb 2021 #55
No, these are tweets. former9thward Feb 2021 #56
Here's what's NO COINCIDENCE: Democratic majority equals progressive action. Hortensis Feb 2021 #12
Wasn't Chakrabarti AOC's former chief of staff she had to let go... brush Feb 2021 #14
:) And his stream of outrageously hostile tweets against Hortensis Feb 2021 #15
Wow! I didn't know all of that about Chakrabarti. brush Feb 2021 #20
No. Otoh, those this nasty piece of work could influence most would be Hortensis Feb 2021 #28
I guess it's all politics...trying to pls this faction and that... brush Feb 2021 #35
Sure, but it's a lot easier for those who openly share and espouse the Hortensis Feb 2021 #37
The straw that broke the camel's back, although it was pretty close to fracturing anyway, was.... George II Feb 2021 #25
Oh, yes. She needs to distance herself from him. brush Feb 2021 #27
She distanced herself from him some time ago. Mariana Feb 2021 #33
+100000000000 betsuni Feb 2021 #44
AOC will not win a statewide primary. she is popular in her district. Demsrule86 Feb 2021 #16
I agree. cwydro Feb 2021 #32
Politico stirring up more fake nonsense bigtree Feb 2021 #17
Did you notice there are zero quotes from AOC in this bullshit story? nt. Mariana Feb 2021 #34
I lulz'd KG Feb 2021 #21
Schumer will easily defeat AOC in a Dem primary in NY State. apnu Feb 2021 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author MrsCoffee Feb 2021 #24
Schumer regularly meets with his fellow New York Democrats in Congress. ALL of them. George II Feb 2021 #31
AOC is doing her job... Alex4Martinez Feb 2021 #54
+1 nt JoeOtterbein Feb 2021 #59

Wounded Bear

(58,654 posts)
1. Political foam. I don't see AOC successfully challenging Schumer in the near future...
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:02 AM
Feb 2021

She'd be better served doing her present job and look into running for Gillibrand's seat when it comes up.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
7. Gillibrand is very popular in New York
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:21 AM
Feb 2021

She won re-election with the highest percentage of any Democratic Senator in the country as well as in New York State.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
45. That was before the Franken mess.
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 03:42 AM
Feb 2021

IMO, Gillibrand can easily be defeated in a primary, as (fair or unfair) the base does not like her. AOC could win the primary as she is loved by the base and will garner the support of PoC and immigrant groups. Any Dem who wins the primary would win the general election.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
47. No that was her last election in 18
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 07:43 AM
Feb 2021

which was after Franken. Sure she didn’t do well running for President but neither did Harris, Warren or Sanders. All of whom called for Sanders to resign.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
13. Whether or not she has any such plans, the left is able to apply pressure.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 12:19 PM
Feb 2021

Schumer is wise to pay some attention and find common ground. It's a win-win for Americans and the party.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
4. I think it would be interesting if she ran for a statewide office to see if she could win an electio
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:10 AM
Feb 2021

outside her district

The reason she won’t challenge Schumer is because she is politically astute to realize she wouldn’t be able to win a statewide election

It would be interesting to see how she would do if she ran for Mayor of NY. I am skeptical she could would be successful there also, but that would be the office she should try first. That would determine if she had a chance in a statewide election



Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
5. She'll have a much better
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:13 AM
Feb 2021

chance in the future when she gets more experience under her belt. As it stands now, I agree that she could very well lose to a Republican in the general if she defeats Schumer in a primary. It would be close but I think she’d lose.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
8. I don't think she would win the primary if she tried it. I agree with your assessment that she
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:27 AM
Feb 2021

needs more experience, but I think running for Mayor of NY city would be the best indicator how much traction she has outside her district

In my view this Op Ed speculation has no merit. She isn’t going to challenge Schumer in the next election

Demsrule86

(68,576 posts)
19. Do you think...a second year Congresswoman with no executive experience could not govern
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 01:08 PM
Feb 2021

one of the biggest cities in the world? AOC is smart and talented but she needs experience at this point.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
22. What I said is at this time I do not think she could win a statewide election outside of her
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 01:36 PM
Feb 2021

district, and to add that she identifies herself as a Democratic socialist, which I believe would make any statewide or national election very difficult for her to win

brush

(53,778 posts)
10. She won't beat Schumer in a primary.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 12:00 PM
Feb 2021

A relatively inexperienced rep. from a deep blue district she can't lose in going against the Senate Majority leader in a state that is not all deep blue?

I think not

Turin_C3PO

(13,991 posts)
11. I'll go with your analysis.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 12:14 PM
Feb 2021

I'm not very familiar with NY politics. Bottom line is that she should remain in the House.

Retrograde

(10,136 posts)
39. If she wants to be senator she should follow Clinton's lead
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 04:06 PM
Feb 2021

and spend some time in all the counties in New York - even the deep red ones.

There's a strong belief in upstate New York (at least according to my politically active relatives there) that it's just a money source for New York City and downstate politicians show up just to fundraise and ask for votes. I was actually surprised the other day to hear Schumer mention Buffalo, that's how little attention the rest of the state usually gets. And AOC is viewed as a quintessential NYCer - which is fine for someone in the House who should be focusing on her district. Name recognition aside, she has a ways to go to convince the rest of the state she'd be good for them.

At this point in her career I don't see her as being successful as mayor of NYC: there are a lot of factions to juggle, as well as the usual challenges of running a city with the population of a good-sized country.

bigtree

(85,996 posts)
18. right
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 12:59 PM
Feb 2021

...this is designed for people who've made it their mission to divide Democrats.

Flamebait designed as legitimate reporting. Politico= flamebait for Democrats.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
26. Funny, they asked her and she didn't say no.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 01:51 PM
Feb 2021

“I’m not playing coy or anything like that. I’m still very much in a place where I’m trying to decide what is the most effective thing I can do to help our Congress, our [political] process, and our country actually address the issues of climate change, health care, wage inequality, etc.,” she told the newly launched publication Punchbowl in an exclusive interview.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
29. So, the poster is correct.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 02:06 PM
Feb 2021

AOC has never said she was thinking about running against Schumer. She just declined to answer a question about it. The rest is all speculation.

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
36. They asked if she would rule it out.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 02:52 PM
Feb 2021

She didn't exactly decline to answer. She said she was indecisive.

I guess that's one kind of speculation.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
38. She said she was still deciding what her plans for the future are.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 03:48 PM
Feb 2021

She didn't even address that particular question about Schumer. So, the poster is correct. AOC has never said she was thinking about running against Schumer.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
30. It's interesting that this story doesn't contain a single quote from AOC.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 02:08 PM
Feb 2021

That's obviously because, as you said, AOC has never said she was thinking about running against Schumer.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
40. She has not ruled it out.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 08:07 PM
Feb 2021
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is not ruling out a primary challenge against Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, she revealed Monday.

Speaking to Punchbowl News in an interview to mark the launch of its flagship newsletter, Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) explained that she had not made a decision on whether she would challenge Schumer (D-NY), who will be up for re-election in 2022.

“I’m a no b——t kind of person. I’m not playing coy or anything like that,” she told the outlet.

Asked by the outlet whether the Senate minority leader was doing a good job, Ocasio-Cortez declined to give a yes or no answer.


https://nypost.com/2021/01/04/aoc-wont-rule-out-primary-challenge-against-chuck-schumer/
 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
41. The NY post is not a credible source
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 08:34 PM
Feb 2021

And there is still no direct quote where she says she’s considering it.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
42. The Post was reporting a story in an online blog that AOC had interviewed with.
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:15 AM
Feb 2021

The link is in the story. Are you saying they both made it up? If so, why hasn't AOC called them out?

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
51. OK
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 10:55 AM
Feb 2021

Please show the exact quote where she says that she has not ruled out running against Schumer for Senate.

And it is not the law of English grammar, it is the laws of the media spin machine.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
57. How would I do that?
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:22 PM
Feb 2021

Do you have those standards for the countless other tweets that are put on DU on a daily basis? If so, why have you not attacked them? Since they are in the news AOC would have denied them if they were not true. This is a blog or tweet machine that AOC supports.

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
58. Yes I do
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:45 PM
Feb 2021

Either show the exact quote where she says she’s thinking about running against Schumer in a primary or admit that it’s just media spin.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
60. Since it is in the media and coming from a AOC supported tweeter
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 03:21 PM
Feb 2021

I will await AOC claiming it was "media spin".

 

Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
61. Why not show the exact quote
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 04:05 PM
Feb 2021

where she states she is considering running against Schumer in a primary? Your whole argument is based on what she hasn't said. That is like saying that since Neil Armstrong never denied the moon landing was faked, it must have been.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
50. Are the quotes made up?
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 10:50 AM
Feb 2021

There is an online blog, which AOC supports, in the link where she interviewed. Did they make it up?

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
52. Can you find the quote of the question she was asked?
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 11:04 AM
Feb 2021

Not a paraphrase like at the link you posted, but a quote of the actual question and the entire answer. I looked for video, audio, or transcript of the interview itself, and I can't find it. If you have a link to it that would be great.

Mariana

(14,857 posts)
55. That tweet does not include the actual question she was asked.
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 11:50 AM
Feb 2021

If you have a link to the interview itself, or even to a clip or a quote of the complete question and answer about running against Schumer, that would be great.

former9thward

(32,006 posts)
56. No, these are tweets.
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:19 PM
Feb 2021

Tweets are put on DU all of the time with no one questioning them. I have no ability to go behind the scenes of an interview. I am sure AOL would have criticized them if they were not true since they are out in the news.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Here's what's NO COINCIDENCE: Democratic majority equals progressive action.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 12:18 PM
Feb 2021

Always. In every era. Without fail. The bigger the majority power, the bigger the advances.

It makes sense that Ocasio feinting at his senate seat would affect HOW Schumer presented what he was doing to the public, because it's critical that as many NYers understand as possible. But that it would cause significant change in goals does not. Schumer is a lifelong progressive liberal, and everything's in our party platform and dedicated goals.

In 2018 we got control of the house and passed hundreds of bills there, and now that we have enough power in the senate Schumer is acting on them and other senate bills that McConnell blocked.

Btw, I'm disgusted that this puffery of the power of the left's illiberal faction actually quoted that lying anti-Democrat Chakrabarti claiming credit for Democratic Party actions, while it completely failed to point out that making allies of every possible faction, including the Sunrise Movement, is what party leaders do.

Chakrabarti's illiberal left faction is not possible. They oppose the Democratic Party in all situations. That's both their identity and reason for existence.

brush

(53,778 posts)
14. Wasn't Chakrabarti AOC's former chief of staff she had to let go...
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 12:29 PM
Feb 2021

because of his proposed controversial moves against Dem incumbents in other states?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. :) And his stream of outrageously hostile tweets against
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 12:37 PM
Feb 2021

the very institution his new "boss" had just been elected to.

His dissident group(s) got her elected, and he and the other guy she brought to DC seemed to be having a little trouble with the power shift from them to her.

She let them go not just after a bunch of her new colleagues complained angrily about them (enemies in the house) but very soon after Chakrabarti announced that they might not have her run for reelection, depending.

Her continued connection with these types says very bad things to me. But it's also probable that she'd be afraid to cut it even if she wanted. Their media operation got her elected and turned against her might well take her down.

brush

(53,778 posts)
20. Wow! I didn't know all of that about Chakrabarti.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 01:33 PM
Feb 2021

He seems to be arrogant and pissed that he's not in the driver's seat anymore over AOC. So she can't completely cut ties with him, or risk his group turning against her?

That's not a good situation to be in.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
28. No. Otoh, those this nasty piece of work could influence most would be
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 02:05 PM
Feb 2021

her national following, who keep the money flowing to her and are also the air under her national media coverage wings -- but who can't vote. And her illiberal left supporters are already unhappy with her for playing to both sides of the ideological fence; they thrill to denunciations of the Democratic Party and demand more.

She's swimming in their money, though, so not the worst position to be in either.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. Sure, but it's a lot easier for those who openly share and espouse the
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 02:58 PM
Feb 2021

general ideals and goals of the majorities in their districts. Isn't that the case for most Democrats, more liberal positions in more liberal districts, more conservative in others? Representative government. Then, as you say, but definitely short of throwing in, or pretending to, with groups actively opposed to the will of the majority.

George II

(67,782 posts)
25. The straw that broke the camel's back, although it was pretty close to fracturing anyway, was....
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 01:50 PM
Feb 2021

....him openly showing admiration for a WWII Nazi collaborator, and refusing to back down. That and his questionable "dark money" PACs, LLCs, etc. He has a few.

A couple of pictures:





More about Subhas Chandra Bose:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subhas_Chandra_Bose

brush

(53,778 posts)
27. Oh, yes. She needs to distance herself from him.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 02:01 PM
Feb 2021

I hope still doesn't have any influence over her.

apnu

(8,756 posts)
23. Schumer will easily defeat AOC in a Dem primary in NY State.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 01:45 PM
Feb 2021

AOC is popular in her borough, but across the other 4, not as much. Then there's upstate Democrats who are very moderate. AOC's fire won't play well up there, plus don't discount the cozy security and incumbent status of Schumer. Split the vote in the other boroughs, plus lukewarm reception upstate?

If AOC does primary Schumer in 2022, she's committing political suicide.

AOC is great where she is right now. She's highly visible, is a leader on policy, and getting traction on numerous issues. I hope she stays were she is for now and builds up more party capital. Like Liz Warren, she's super progressive and a party stalwart. It is possible for AOC to get there.

Response to JoeOtterbein (Original post)

Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
54. AOC is doing her job...
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 11:20 AM
Feb 2021

...It's not really about whether or not she could prevail in a primary, it's politics.

And, she's doing her job and she's doing it well.

She's standing up for principles and holding her peers to their task, even helping them do good things.

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