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The children were being sodomized in secret underground tunnels. Their captors drank blood in front of them and staged satanic ritual sacrifices. Sometimes the kids were filmed for pornographic purposes. In total, some several hundred children were subjected to this treatment. And it all happened in the middle of a safe neighborhood where crimes were not supposed to happen, let alone such unspeakable and horrific ones.
Not that anyone else witnessed the abuse. Nor was there any clear evidence that it was actually happening. But people were sure it was real. It made too much sense, they all agreed. Everything fell into place, one of them said. Hundreds, maybe thousands, of otherwise normal, relatively well-adjusted Americans truly believed that a massive ring of occultist pedophiles was operating right under everyones noses.
The McMartin preschool scandal of the 1980s was a sort of analog version of the more recent Pizzagate, part of a lurid and misbegotten moral panic about subterranean child abuse. Even though the supposed crimes unfolded thousands of miles and several decades apart, under very different circumstances, the two conspiracy theories share the same rough contours. The McMartin saga, which began in 1983 with accusations made by one boys mother, came to encompass fantastical claims about a massive pedophile ring lurking beneath a preschool in Manhattan Beach, California. Pizzagate was concocted during the 2016 presidential campaign and alleged that prominent figures in the Democratic Party were running a child sex ring in tunnels beneath the Comet Ping Pong pizzeria in a residential Washington, DC, neighborhood. Both spun off into new theories: Amid a full-on national hysteria, McMartin spawned a series of day-care conspiracies, while Pizzagate has led to QAnon, an even wilder conspiracy theory that postulates that President Donald Trump is on the verge of arresting a throng of liberal elites for facilitating and participating in a sprawling child sex ring. Both drew on natural fears about child safety and supercharged them into national phenomena with real-world ramifications. Both of course were fictions.
Conspiracies centering on the vulnerability of children are neither new nor distinctly American. Wild claims of Jews killing Christian children and using their blood in ritualsthe blood libeldate back to at least the 12th century and have popped up every so often since then, and long before that Christians were suspected of performing similar rites. Hurting children is one of the worst things you can say someone is doing. Its an easy way to demonize your enemy, says Kathryn Olmsted, a professor of history at the University of California-Davis, who has studied conspiracy theories.
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/07/why-are-right-wing-conspiracies-so-obsessed-with-pedophilia/
Midnight Writer
(21,753 posts)chowder66
(9,067 posts)It could be projection, vulnerable people with childhood trauma looking for an explanation or some other weird mass hysteria issue.
Timewas
(2,193 posts)Projection.........
Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Who even thinks up this stuff, unless you are obsessed with it yourself?
Cosmocat
(14,564 posts)nm
Squinch
(50,949 posts)mr_lebowski
(33,643 posts)This theory is certainly in keeping with the axiom "whatever the right is accusing the left of doing ..."
turtleblossom
(504 posts)Little girls included.
Which brings the question to mind whether or not "white" progressives should continue calling themselves "white".
TheBlackAdder
(28,189 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)turtleblossom
(504 posts)There are folks roaming around with some very twisted view of the world. Having a large number of what they call "white" people is a really big thing to them. Hitler thought he could strive for racial purification by eliminating eliminating everyone else. At the same time, populating the world with Aryan blue-eyed blonde-haired babies. Eventually they would work on eliminating "white" people who do not fit into their criteria.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Not sure what the "Progressives" part of your comments meant though
Irish_Dem
(47,026 posts)What is up with that?
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)My Pet Orangutan
(9,246 posts)dawg day
(7,947 posts)And Trump can do no wrong. He of course is the one who would break in on the teens dressing for his beauty pageant, who talked about dating his own daughter when she was 13, who was J Epstein's best buddy and wingman.
What is always perverse about rightwing sex-related fever dreams, is that they're very close to home... All the homophobic GOPers who were later revealed as gay... There was a state legislator in my area who sponsored the most vicious anti-gay bills, and then he was caught in a hotel room with an under-aged boy (non-white, natch).
And they use "cuck' for 'cuckholded", that is, the wife is having sex with another man. And yet the most right-wing fetish ever is RW men watching (or forcing) their wife have sex with another man (often, again, non-white). Falwell, Manafort, Stone....
Freud would have a field day psychoanalyzing these people.
JimGinPA
(14,811 posts)The rest is just conflated in their minds somehow.
trueblue2007
(17,217 posts)maybe fantasized about it themselves.
SKKY
(11,805 posts)Walleye
(31,017 posts)Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)If I had a dime for every time my church or family warned me about evil men and one for every time they looked the other way, I might be able to afford therapy.
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)lindysalsagal
(20,680 posts)Bettie
(16,100 posts)they call us what they are. Every. Single. Time.
JI7
(89,248 posts)crickets
(25,969 posts)Gothmog
(145,176 posts)RWNJ's are all sick individuals who are fixated on this topic and so project their feelings onto others
JustAnotherGen
(31,819 posts)I'm convinced it is projection.
But - great article!
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)LONDON The organs of members of marginalized groups detained in Chinese prison camps are being forcefully harvested sometimes when patients are still alive, an international tribunal sitting in London has concluded.
Some of the more than 1.5 million detainees in Chinese prison camps are being killed for their organs to serve a booming transplant trade that is worth some $1 billion a year, concluded the China Tribunal, an independent body tasked with investigating organ harvesting from prisoners of conscience in the authoritarian state.
Forced organ harvesting has been committed for years throughout China on a significant scale, the tribunal concluded in its final judgment Monday. The practice is of unmatched wickedness on a death for death basis with the killings by mass crimes committed in the last century, it added.
In 2014, state media reported that China would phase out the practice of taking organs from executed prisoners and said it would rely instead on a national organ donation system.
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/china-forcefully-harvests-organs-detainees-tribunal-concludes-n1018646
Comment: Maybe going on one the Mexican Border?
Iggo
(47,552 posts)Why they spend so much time thinking about it, I couldnt tell you.
mmbrevo
(123 posts)Nobody will believe it.
Make7
(8,543 posts)Republicans are in court trying to purposefully reduce the number of people able to get health insurance during a worldwide pandemic, but at least they're not pedophiles.
Republicans don't want to provide financial support to state and local governments in dire need of assistance due to a worldwide pandemic, but at least they are not Satan worshippers.
Republicans passed permanent tax cuts for the wealthy and corporations but made tax cuts for the middle class temporary and there will actually be a tax hike for low wage and middle class workers at an increasing rate over the next six years, but at least they're not communists.
Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)A former Republican state senator in Oklahoma has been sentenced to 15 years in prison on a child sex trafficking charge.
Ralph Shortey was sentenced Monday in federal court in Oklahoma City. He had faced a sentence of up to life in prison and a fine of up to $250,000.
Shortey pleaded guilty in November in exchange for prosecutors dropping three co charges against him.
George Nader, figure linked to Trump transition, charged with transporting child pornography
Republican Sen. Mike Folmer, 63, was charged with sexual abuse of children, possession of child pornography, and criminal use of a communication facility after law enforcement found images of child pornography on Folmers cellphone when they executed a search warrant at his Lebanon home.
Arizona Republican in federal custody on child smuggling charges.
Maricopa County Assessor Paul Petersen is now in federal custody after his release from a county jail, a spokesman for the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office said Friday.
Petersen had been in a Maricopa County jail since Tuesday night when state police officers arrested him in connection with what authorities have described as an illegal adoption scheme stretching from the Republic of Marshall Islands to Arizona, Arkansas and Utah.
Sgt. Joaquin Enriquez, a spokesman for the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office, told The Arizona Republic that Petersen was released into federal custody. It's unclear where Petersen is being held.
Prosecutors in the three states allege Petersen committed a range of offenses as an adoption attorney, from wire fraud in Arkansas to human smuggling in Utah to fraudulent schemes in Arizona, 62 charges in all.
Dan Clark. Clark County (WA) GOP Elects Convicted Child Predator to Leadership Role
In 2010, a 43-year-old Dan Clark visited the home of a 15-year-old girl repeatedly over the course of two months. He would knock on her bedroom window, use a chair to climb into her house, hug and kiss on her bed, provide her with alcohol, give her a secret cellphone to use to communicate with him, and give her wedding magazines for when they would eventually get married.
Clark was arrested on suspicion of 10 counts of residential burglary with sexual motivation, according to court records. He was later convicted of residential burglary, violation of a civil anti-harassment order and furnishing alcohol to minors, and he was sentenced to roughly nine months in jail
George nader
Please do not forget
Naders famous statement,Donald Trump will be joining me in the same jail cell.
Trump Adviser Gets 10 Years In Child Sex Case
George Nader, who was a key witness in the Russia investigation and informally advised President Trumps team on foreign policy, was sentenced on Friday to 10 years in prison by a federal judge in Virginia, stemming from his convictions on child sex charges, CNN reports.
https://politicalwire.com/2020/06/26
Trump's Oklahoma campaign chair to plead guilt to child sex trafficking
Nov. 20, 2017, 5:14 PM EST / Updated Nov. 20, 2017, 5:14 PM EST / Source: Associated Press
By John Paul Brammer
Ralph Shortey, a former Oklahoma state senator who last year served as Donald Trump's campaign chair in the state, was meticulous about keeping up his reputation as a pious man, according to several fellow Oklahomans. That reputation, however, has all but disappeared. According to Shortey's attorney, the former Republican lawmaker will plead guilty to one count of child sex trafficking on Nov. 30.
Tax Collector Endorsed By Matt Gaetz For Congress Indicted On Sex Trafficking Charges
According to Fox News, Republican Joel Greenberg was the tax collector in Seminole County, and resigned in June in response to a Federal investigation. Hes accused of using the states motor vehicle database to get information on people with whom he had sexual relationships, and of paying for sex with a child between the ages of 14 and 17. These charges follow those reported by the Orlando Sentinel in July, which included stalking, identity theft of a political opponent, and using his office to create fake drivers licenses for himself.
Ben gibson
GOP candidate who pushed QAnon conspiracy theory gets arrested for child pornography
Ben Gibson, who unsuccessfully ran for Congress in November, was arrested in Louisiana this Wednesday and booked on four counts of child pornography, WGNO reports.
Gibson, who was an active Airman at Barksdale Air Force Base, was a challenger in a four-way race for the U.S. House Dist. 4 Congressional seat and lost to Rep. Mike Johnson, who won re-election. Jared Kutz, 30, of Bossier City was also arrested as a result of the investigation and charged with two counts of pornography.
Husband of QAnon-supporting Lauren Boebert allegedly exposed himself to teen
She is starting to make Palin and her crazy family look quite lovely.
Lauren Boebert's husband was arrested after allegedly exposing himself to a minor at a bowling alley.
Dec 15, 2020, 5:36 pm Tech Mikael Thalen Mikael Thalen
The husband of QAnon-supporting Congresswoman-elect Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) allegedly exposed himself to a minor in a bowling alley in 2004.
In a little-noticed blog post from journalist Anne Landman on Oct. 30, a Garfield County Sheriffs Office arrest report details how Jayson Boebert was charged with indecent exposure
And I could keep going
Fullduplexxx
(7,860 posts)Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
Republican pastor Mike Hintz , whom George W. Bushcommended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.
Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
Republican governor Arnold Schwarzenegger allegedly had sex with a 16 year old girl when he was 28.
ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER38TH GOVERNOR OF CALIFORNIA
Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Baumanwas charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty" , was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD .
Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison
Prominent Alabama Evangelist Arrested On Child Sex Charges Involving Young Boy (VIDEO)Acton Bowen, who founded Acton Bowen Outreach, was arrested Tuesday and charged with alleged second-degree sodomy, enticing a child to enter a vehicle or house for immoral purposes, and second-degree sex abuse, AL.comreports. Bowen, 37, a resident of Southside, Alabama, is a married and the author of several books. Hes also a public speaker.
Pa. House strips Rep. Nick Miccarelli(republian pervert) of committee assignments
HARRISBURG - Though House Republican leaders have not sanctioned Rep. Nick Miccarelli despite accusations of physically or sexually abusing two women, GOP leadership on Thursday said they will strip Miccarelli of his committee assignments and relocate his desk on the House floor so that he is farther from one of his accusers
And I could keep going
3catwoman3
(23,975 posts)...or wishing they could indulge in it.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,061 posts)These types of conspiracies have been a part of human history for a long time. And they're often used to justify anger, hatred, and violence against a group.
This particular myth is so powerful in modern society, virtually everyone excuses any type of violence towards pedophiles including murder and mutilation. So once you've painted someone as a pedo, killing them seems like the right thing to do.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities. Voltaire.
And as the post above mentions, there is a bit of projection in a lot of what Republicans do.