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riversedge

(70,384 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 05:59 PM Feb 2021

... 1 million vaccinations a week, is nowhere near enough to achieve herd immunity by summer 2021.

sad read to say the least. I and my 95 year old mom are on 4 lists on my county to get the vaccine. We await a phone call.



...............Vaccine hunting is a 'fix' for slow vaccine rollout


https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/01/us/vaccine-hunters-covid-trnd/index.html
By all accounts, the US vaccine rollout so far has been disappointing.

CNN medical analyst Dr. Leana Wen explained, in sobering terms, just how disappointing in a January interview, before Biden was inaugurated. At the current rate, she said, it'll take the US 10 years to vaccinate 80% of Americans.

The current pace, 1 million vaccinations a week, is nowhere near enough to achieve herd immunity by summer 2021.

And despite the incredibly high demand for vaccines, vaccination sites across the country have reportedly discarded precious doses after they weren't administered in time. (Both Pfizer and Moderna's Covid-19 vaccines only last a few hours unrefrigerated -- Pfizer's will expire within two hours, and Moderna's within 12, after the vials are removed from the fridge.)

To vaccine hunt is to devote hours, possibly days, of your life waiting for a dose of a vaccine that may or may not be available. It's a crapshoot. You need time, money, connections and luck to succeed. But some say it's worth the effort involved.

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... 1 million vaccinations a week, is nowhere near enough to achieve herd immunity by summer 2021. (Original Post) riversedge Feb 2021 OP
So we're never getting out of this then? Great. Initech Feb 2021 #1
It certainly will not be by next summer. riversedge Feb 2021 #3
If they're throwing out that much, we need to tone down the equity stuff massively. coti Feb 2021 #2
We need a military medical mobilization. roamer65 Feb 2021 #4
I just do not understand why the military is not being activated. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #6
My mother would say "This country won World War II and put a man on the moon. And you are CTyankee Feb 2021 #12
Yes indeed. The current state of vaccinations is a total disgrace. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #13
Much, much better here. A smooth operation, put together by our wonderful gov. Lamont and CTyankee Feb 2021 #14
You are so lucky. Most places it is like the Hunger Games. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #15
It takes a real leader. What state are you in and is it red? CTyankee Feb 2021 #17
Midwest red state Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #19
Well, at least ou don't have "big government." CTyankee Feb 2021 #20
GOP Hunger Games in action because they hate government. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #21
Biden has signed EOs to utilize FEMA and the Ntl guard for distribution and another to utilize the Thekaspervote Feb 2021 #18
I wish there were updates on the FEMA and NG situation, as well as vaccine production. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #27
I understand why it wasn't before January 20th. roamer65 Feb 2021 #23
Right, but has not been called out yet and with the new viruses, the situation is urgent. Irish_Dem Feb 2021 #26
I agree. roamer65 Feb 2021 #29
There's something wrong, the reasoning there's not 10 million a day is clear as mud and the uponit7771 Feb 2021 #5
It's Not The Manufacturers ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #22
+1, thx we should have a base federal response for everything ... Red Don left the country in such uponit7771 Feb 2021 #25
You Said It! ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #28
👍 uponit7771 Feb 2021 #30
"If The States Call, Send Them Some." ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #32
I thought it was 1.3 a day also by now, hmmm must have been peak numbers uponit7771 Feb 2021 #34
Never Mind! ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #37
Article has been corrected to say 1.3 million doses *per day*. n/t Pobeka Feb 2021 #7
That's an enormous difference. coti Feb 2021 #8
Hopefully the 1.3MM per day increases over time to get the 2nd doses done! nt Pobeka Feb 2021 #9
The first shot alone gives 86% protection to those over 65 Cicada Feb 2021 #11
The first shot of the Moderna has the highest efficacy. roamer65 Feb 2021 #31
This mRNA vaccine approach may cure cancer and many other diseases Cicada Feb 2021 #35
You can harness ribosomes to produce a lot of unique things with mRNA. roamer65 Feb 2021 #36
It Should, Significantly ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #39
In thirty days we can finish vaccines for all high risk people Cicada Feb 2021 #10
Exactly this! SlogginThroughIt Feb 2021 #16
Bingo. roamer65 Feb 2021 #24
A week? BGBD Feb 2021 #33
Here in Indiana they just opened it up to those 65 or older. LiberalFighter Feb 2021 #38

coti

(4,612 posts)
2. If they're throwing out that much, we need to tone down the equity stuff massively.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:02 PM
Feb 2021

What we really, really need is for the population as a whole to be inoculated as quickly as possible. If the equity efforts are slowing that mission down (which, given our level of organization, could very well be the case) we need to shift our focus.

Irish_Dem

(47,597 posts)
6. I just do not understand why the military is not being activated.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:14 PM
Feb 2021

They have it all, medical staff, transportations, logistics.

And the vaccine production needs to be 24/7, just like it WWII.

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
12. My mother would say "This country won World War II and put a man on the moon. And you are
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:32 PM
Feb 2021

telling me we can _____ (fill in the blank)!

This just underscores how lack of leadership, combined with arrogance and stupidity, brought us to our knees.

Irish_Dem

(47,597 posts)
13. Yes indeed. The current state of vaccinations is a total disgrace.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:34 PM
Feb 2021

I am getting madder by the week.
People cannot get their vaccines, or if they do, hundreds are in line with only two nurses giving shots.

CTyankee

(63,914 posts)
14. Much, much better here. A smooth operation, put together by our wonderful gov. Lamont and
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:41 PM
Feb 2021

his team of pros, set this up and I've never seen anything go so smoothly, from our call in to get an appointment to our very brief waiting period, no long line, process with IDs and insurance cards, to getting our vaccine!

Governor Ned Lamont is a hero to us. I am so impressed and grateful!

Irish_Dem

(47,597 posts)
15. You are so lucky. Most places it is like the Hunger Games.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:42 PM
Feb 2021

I have no idea if I will ever get a vaccine.

Thekaspervote

(32,813 posts)
18. Biden has signed EOs to utilize FEMA and the Ntl guard for distribution and another to utilize the
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:47 PM
Feb 2021

War production act, and another to fund 100 dedicated large scale vaccination sites

President Biden has been in office less than 3 weeks...despite his best efforts it isn’t magic! It takes time

Irish_Dem

(47,597 posts)
27. I wish there were updates on the FEMA and NG situation, as well as vaccine production.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:06 PM
Feb 2021

Vaccine production should be 24/7 like in WWII.
Military and NG needs to set up drive through tents asap.

uponit7771

(90,370 posts)
5. There's something wrong, the reasoning there's not 10 million a day is clear as mud and the
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:07 PM
Feb 2021

... manufactures are pointing fingers at the distributers and then the administrators.

There's something wrong

ProfessorGAC

(65,322 posts)
22. It's Not The Manufacturers
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:01 PM
Feb 2021

They are actually slightly ahead of forecast on the start-up production curve.
The problem is distribution. They're both making more than 1.35 million doses a day. And th
That puts distribution & administration at 48% of production.
2.7 million a day made. 1.3 million in arms!
It's not a manufacturing issue.

uponit7771

(90,370 posts)
25. +1, thx we should have a base federal response for everything ... Red Don left the country in such
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:04 PM
Feb 2021

... a mess.

In my voting lifetime there are 3 republican president, 3 decimated economies for working class people

ProfessorGAC

(65,322 posts)
28. You Said It!
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:07 PM
Feb 2021

I also thought of something else.
The forecasts are based on vials filled. The dose number can from just multiplying by 5 doses per vial.
If it's 6 doses, that makes the bottlenecks worse.
Because at 6 doses a day, that's 3.24 million doses a day. 1.3 million in arms. 40% of vaccines administered.
And, I thought 48% was bad!

ProfessorGAC

(65,322 posts)
32. "If The States Call, Send Them Some."
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:13 PM
Feb 2021

I honestly believe that was the extent of their "plan".
Also, I screwed up!
I thought the OP was 1.3 million a day!
It's a week!
This is way beyond terrible!

ProfessorGAC

(65,322 posts)
37. Never Mind!
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:59 PM
Feb 2021

I just found a US N&WR articles that says we're averaging 1 million a day over the last 10 days.
So, we probably are up to 1.3 million a day, not a week.

coti

(4,612 posts)
8. That's an enormous difference.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:18 PM
Feb 2021

Hopefully the entire article wasn't premised on that mistaken information.

1.3 millions times 180 days (6 months) = 234 million doses (many of which will take two doses for full vaccination).

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
11. The first shot alone gives 86% protection to those over 65
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:32 PM
Feb 2021

And it also reduces the odds of serious illness even among those who are in the 14%. I got my first shot two days ago so I looked that up. One thing I found wonderful is that after 2 moderna shots basically no one dies. It is listed as 100% effective at preventing death. So even for those who do get infected, the five percent, they only get mild symptoms. Yeah science!

It takes two weeks after the first shot to get protected though.

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
31. The first shot of the Moderna has the highest efficacy.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:09 PM
Feb 2021

80 pct.

Second shot brings you to 95.6 with no death.

Moderna has done a good job on this one.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
35. This mRNA vaccine approach may cure cancer and many other diseases
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:35 PM
Feb 2021

The two big vaccines came from groups trying to use this approach to cure cancer. They turned to covid first but now they are back to using it to knock out cancer. They have very preliminary results which are very promising. Fixing covid may be just a minor achievement for this approach.

Check this out

roamer65

(36,747 posts)
36. You can harness ribosomes to produce a lot of unique things with mRNA.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 07:37 PM
Feb 2021

Like antibodies that attack cancer cells.

Just that we are vaccinating against a SARS virus is quite amazing.

ProfessorGAC

(65,322 posts)
39. It Should, Significantly
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 08:06 PM
Feb 2021

The manufacturers are moving up a new product production curve.
They expect to be at 550 - 600 thousand vials a day each. They're around 270,000 a day now.
Depending on whether we do 5 or 6 doses that 5.5 - 7 million doses a day.
Of course, they've got customers other than the United States.
But, the bottlenecks are proper distribution and administration.
Remember the manufacturers having 3 million doses sitting in shipping storage for 2.5 days because nobody told them where to ship them.
THERE WAS NO PLAN!. Those boobs heard "vaccine works" and forgot only 50% of the work was done.

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
10. In thirty days we can finish vaccines for all high risk people
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 06:26 PM
Feb 2021

80% of deaths are among those over 65 years old, about 50 million people. We can also vaccinate those under 65 with dangerous conditions which make people susceptible to covid. I think we can reduce deaths by 80% within 6 weeks.

We don’t have to achieve heard immunity to get it well controlled.

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