Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Celerity

(43,250 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:26 PM Feb 2021

Superstar Cities Are in Trouble

The past year has offered a glimpse of the nowhere-everywhere future of work, and it isn’t optimistic for big cities.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/02/remote-work-revolution/617842/



Some evenings, when pandemic cabin fever reaches critical levels, I relieve my claustrophobia by escaping into the dreamworld of Zillow, the real-estate website. From the familiar confines of my Washington, D.C., apartment, I teleport to a ranch on the outskirts of Boise, Idaho; to a patio nestled in the hillsides of Phoenix, Arizona; or to a regal living room in one of the baroque palaces of Plano, Texas. Apparently, many of you are doing the same thing. Zillow searches have soared during the health crisis, according to Jeff Tucker, the company’s chief economist. “We’ve seen online searches for Boise, Phoenix, and Atlanta rising fastest among people who live in coastal cities, like Los Angeles and New York,” Tucker told me. Higher search volumes on Zillow have coincided with a booming housing market in the South and the West, as rents fall in expensive coastal cities. Zillow tourism and a few affluent workers decamping for Atlanta might strike you as a fad—kind of like this whole remote-work moment. Indeed, if you’re lugging your computer to the living room every day to sit on the couch for eight hours, you might not be thinking to yourself, I’m practically starting the next industrial revolution.

But maybe you are. As a general rule of human civilization, we’ve lived where we work. More than 90 percent of Americans drive to work, and their average commute is about 27 minutes. This tether between home and office is the basis of urban economics. But remote work weakens it; in many cases, it severs the link entirely, replacing spatial proximity with cloud-based connectivity. What knock-on changes will this new industrial revolution bring? The best argument against the remote-work experiment having a durable impact on our lives beyond the pandemic is an appeal to human inertia: For decades, the internet was a thing and remote work wasn’t, and after the pandemic, it’ll just feel like 2019 again. But the impediment to widespread remote work in 2019 and before wasn’t technological. It was social. According to the economist David Autor, remote work suffered from a “telephone problem.” Seven decades after the first telephone was patented in the 1860s, fewer than half of Americans owned one. Behaviour dragged behind technology, because most families had no use for a telecom machine as long as none of their friends also owned one. In network theory, this is known as Metcalfe’s Law: The value of a communications network rises exponentially with the number of its users.

The same has been true of remote work. In 2018, it was weird and rude to ask a boss to move a meeting to Skype, or to tell a business partner to fire up a Zoom link because you can’t make lunch. The teleconference tech existed, but it was considered an ersatz substitute for the normal course of business. “The most important outcome of the pandemic wasn’t that it taught you how to use Zoom, but rather that it forced everybody else to use Zoom,” Autor told me. "We all leapfrogged over the coordination problem at the exact same time.” Meetings, business lunches, work trips—all these things will still happen in the after world. But nobody will forget the lesson we were all just forced to learn: Telecommunications doesn’t have to be the perfect substitute for in-person meetings, as long as it’s mostly good enough. For the most part, remote work just works. Last year, I wrote about how even a modest remote-work revolution—no more than 10 percent of Americans working remotely full time after the pandemic is over—could affect the U.S. labour force (e.g.: fewer hotel workers) and party politics (e.g.: more southern Democrats). But the more I researched remote work and spoke with experts, the more I realized I had only scratched the surface of its implications for the future of the economy, the geography of opportunity, and the fate of innovation. Here are four more predictions.

1) THE RISE OF THE SUPERCOMMUTER

Remote work sometimes severs the connection between work and home, and sometimes just elongates it. According to Chris Salviati, an economist at the online rental marketplace Apartment List, prices are falling sharply in the downtown areas of the biggest metros, but they’re rising overall in the suburbs and in nearby cities. Some of the hottest rental markets in the country include Central California cities within a few hours’ drive of San Francisco. Referring to the internet as an “information superhighway” is retro in the most cringeworthy way. But here, the metaphor seems apt. Decades after the construction of the U.S. highway system allowed high-income families to move from downtowns to the distant suburbs, Zoom might do the same. Remote work could do to America’s residential geography in the 2020s what the highway did in the 1950s and ’60s: spread it out. Today, the term supercommuting is often used to describe the punishment inflicted on lower-income workers who have to live far from their job because of the scarcity of affordable housing. But the remote-work revolution could spawn the rise of something a little different: the affluent supercommuter who chooses to move to a big exurban house with the expectation that she’ll make fewer, longer commutes to the office. “Historically, people who work from home don’t commute less overall, because they just drive longer distances,” Autor told me, referring to a Federal Reserve study from 2019. One shouldn’t put too much stock in a survey of pre-pandemic behaviour. But the logic of fewer-but-longer commutes should lead to small towns and suburbs experiencing the fastest price growth. And, lo and behold, that’s exactly the story the online rental data are already telling us.

2) THE DECLINE OF THE COASTAL SUPERSTAR CITIES.....

snip
36 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Superstar Cities Are in Trouble (Original Post) Celerity Feb 2021 OP
But the "coastal superstar cities" musette_sf Feb 2021 #1
Oh, me too, I have never lived outside a major city in my life (born in LA, grew up in London, Hong Celerity Feb 2021 #3
I'm jealous! I wish I could move to Europe. Marius25 Feb 2021 #14
it is more than doable (post COVID of course) if you have the right skillsets, age, and/or assets Celerity Feb 2021 #15
Therein lies the problem. I don't have the right skillset Marius25 Feb 2021 #16
I don't even have the skillset or money to get out of the midwest. Chellee Feb 2021 #17
If you are young enough, a good backdoor is to go to uni there, some of the nations still Celerity Feb 2021 #19
Is 37 too old? Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #20
not at all, I know expat Americans who let for UK and EU uni in their mid 40's Celerity Feb 2021 #21
I will seriously consider it. Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #23
Vienna has a crazy high quality of life, and the University of Vienna is world class, with many Celerity Feb 2021 #24
Beautiful AnnieBW Feb 2021 #36
I'd have to get a degree in something that could keep Marius25 Feb 2021 #22
depends on the individual nation, medical is usually a solid choice, IT as well Celerity Feb 2021 #28
I'd move to Switzerland musette_sf Feb 2021 #27
unless you have family ties, Switzerland is a tough place to get into, even if you were younger Celerity Feb 2021 #29
Yeah, I know, musette_sf Feb 2021 #35
Phoenix isn't that bad JonLP24 Feb 2021 #25
It's not for me musette_sf Feb 2021 #26
This. nt Hortensis Feb 2021 #32
San Diego is seeing the 3rd highest home sales in the US. BigmanPigman Feb 2021 #2
Seattle growth in home prices is still going up... Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #4
Not reading an article yet still tossing out a flippant reply sounds like bunk to me, so Celerity Feb 2021 #6
There is really nothing new in the article LeftInTX Feb 2021 #7
it is saying is the trends may start to increase even more, and it discusses other smaller cities Celerity Feb 2021 #8
Currently, the growth rate in Indianapolis is not very impressive LeftInTX Feb 2021 #11
Indianapolis is in a deep ruby red state that is loaded with white power Q-MAGAt types, plus Celerity Feb 2021 #13
That's what I was about to say. Seattle prices are still rising. nolabear Feb 2021 #10
Great information. May change the electoral map more in our favor. onecaliberal Feb 2021 #5
Barstow don't surf.. denbot Feb 2021 #9
LOL LeftInTX Feb 2021 #12
Lol, but they're special in their own ways and wouldn't Hortensis Feb 2021 #31
Sounds like Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #18
This will last a couple decades Klaralven Feb 2021 #30
Before covid, a lot of major corporations were doing the opposite NewJeffCT Feb 2021 #33
People who move out of urban DeminPennswoods Feb 2021 #34

musette_sf

(10,200 posts)
1. But the "coastal superstar cities"
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:30 PM
Feb 2021

have the culture I want to live in. I don't want to live in Boise, Phoenix, Atlanta, or Plano.

Celerity

(43,250 posts)
3. Oh, me too, I have never lived outside a major city in my life (born in LA, grew up in London, Hong
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:51 PM
Feb 2021

Kong (for several years whilst still pretty young), then back to Los Angles for 2 years for part of my grad school education, and now we live on the largest, most important city (sorry Copenhagen, lol) in the Nordics, Stockholm. Stockholm seems so small at times as well, but it for its size, it so punches above its weight, very little I cannot find here (except for great weather, that is often lacking a tad, lol). If/when we move again it would be to another mega city, perhaps back to London, or maybe Berlin, or Barcelona, or Milan. ZERO chance I would go live some backwater US area. Life is too short to cheat myself by doing so, plus my wife would go bonkers. If I want natural, rustic idyllicism, we can always go for a month or so on extended holiday somewhere (after COVID abates).

Celerity

(43,250 posts)
15. it is more than doable (post COVID of course) if you have the right skillsets, age, and/or assets
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:54 PM
Feb 2021

You also have to truly have the desire, deep down in your bones, as it is hardly a thing that is done on a whim with little effort.

Chellee

(2,092 posts)
17. I don't even have the skillset or money to get out of the midwest.
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:06 AM
Feb 2021


Europe? I can't even get to the west coast.

Turin_C3PO

(13,941 posts)
23. I will seriously consider it.
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:21 AM
Feb 2021

I’ve been on disability since I was twenty due to cystic fibrosis but a wonder drug came out that has basically repaired my lungs so I’m anxious to go to school and get into the workforce. This country seems to be on a downward spiral and I’m not looking forward to a time when Q-anoners and white supremacists possibly attain a complete grip on our government. So yeah, I’d love to check out Europe.

Celerity

(43,250 posts)
24. Vienna has a crazy high quality of life, and the University of Vienna is world class, with many
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 01:03 AM
Feb 2021

programmes in English. I would (obviously) suggest Stockholm, BUT in 2011/12 or so they stopped free tuition for non EU.




https://www.univie.ac.at/?L=2

Vienna pics

















































AnnieBW

(10,421 posts)
36. Beautiful
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 02:52 PM
Feb 2021

But expensive AF. I'd rather go somewhere less expensive in Europe, like Greece, Italy, or Croatia.

 

Marius25

(3,213 posts)
22. I'd have to get a degree in something that could keep
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:20 AM
Feb 2021

me there though. Any idea what would be a good option? I already have a Bachelors.

musette_sf

(10,200 posts)
27. I'd move to Switzerland
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 02:07 AM
Feb 2021

if I were young enough. I have a skill set but am approaching 70, so not prime repatriation candidate.

Wounded Bear

(58,618 posts)
4. Seattle growth in home prices is still going up...
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:58 PM
Feb 2021

at a marked rate.

Didn't read the article. Sounds like bunk to me.

Celerity

(43,250 posts)
6. Not reading an article yet still tossing out a flippant reply sounds like bunk to me, so
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:03 PM
Feb 2021

to each his/her own.

LeftInTX

(25,201 posts)
7. There is really nothing new in the article
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:09 PM
Feb 2021

Cities such as Austin, Phoenix and Atlanta are growing.

This has been going on for several decades. However, Seattle is currently growing at the same rate as Austin. Lots of Texas cities experience growth due to annexation versus suburbs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_population

Celerity

(43,250 posts)
8. it is saying is the trends may start to increase even more, and it discusses other smaller cities
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:13 PM
Feb 2021


snip

LeftInTX

(25,201 posts)
11. Currently, the growth rate in Indianapolis is not very impressive
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:23 PM
Feb 2021

Now, I didn't look at the metro area, but Indianapolis currently is: +6.82%

Growth rates in some cities that surprised me:
Seattle +23.83%
Washington DC +17.29%
New Orleans +13.47%

Celerity

(43,250 posts)
13. Indianapolis is in a deep ruby red state that is loaded with white power Q-MAGAt types, plus
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:36 PM
Feb 2021

offers nothing special in terms of great climate or transcendent culture or natural unique/distinct environments and areas, nor does it have great tertiary educational infrastructure (no offence intended to people living there who love it)

Seattle is tech-related growth

DC is Federal government (and its institutional penumbra) increased size-driven

New Orleans lost a shedload after the 2005 hurricane, so its easier to see larger increases as people move back or new people move in

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. Lol, but they're special in their own ways and wouldn't
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 07:48 AM
Feb 2021

exactly be improved by a bunch of people jogging and walking their dogs, would they?

Turin_C3PO

(13,941 posts)
18. Sounds like
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:07 AM
Feb 2021

this trend has the potential to be good for Democrats at state level, Senate, and electoral college.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
30. This will last a couple decades
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 07:28 AM
Feb 2021

After that, a person at a terminal communicating over a wire can be replaced by a smarter server.

Actually, it doesn't matter whether the person is at home or in a cubicle all day. Many of these jobs only exist because of the primitive state of software.

But having people remote makes them easier to let go, especially if they are contractors instead of employees.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
33. Before covid, a lot of major corporations were doing the opposite
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 09:07 AM
Feb 2021

moving from more suburban areas to the big cities because they wanted to attract the hot young talent coming out of college - suburban Connecticut saw several major corporations move HQ, or major offices, from the state not to low cost areas like Alabama, Mississippi or Arkansas, but to NYC and Boston: GE from Fairfield, CT to Boston; Aetna was supposed to move from Hartford CT to NYC, but Aetna was bought out by CVS and is staying for now; Pfizer moved from Groton, CT to Boston; Alexion pharmaceuticals moved from New Haven to Boston.


DeminPennswoods

(15,273 posts)
34. People who move out of urban
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 09:25 AM
Feb 2021

areas are in for a surprise. In the suburbs you have to drive to nearly everything. There are no sidewalks and neighbors rarely gather outside to chat or socialize except when there's a severe weather event. It's not a community as much as people living in their own individual world.

Yes, it's nice to have a backyard, but maintaining property is work, too, what with mowing the lawn, trimming the shrubs, pruning trees, raking leaves, maintaing outdoor areas like decks and porches, etc.

I grew up in a suburban area adjoining a small town, moved to a big city and back again to be a caregiver. While I enjoy being back home, I miss not being able to walk everywhere and having easy access to fresh food, dining out/shopping options, social interactions and more.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Superstar Cities Are in T...