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Nevilledog

(51,094 posts)
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:46 PM Feb 2021

"Bullhorn Lady"/"Pink Hat Lady" identified



Tweet text:
Ronan Farrow
@RonanFarrow
NEW: “Bullhorn Lady,” one of the FBI's most wanted after she battered windows and issued orders at the capitol, is Rachel Powell, a mother of eight from rural PA. Her path to radicalization, and what it reveals about extremism in America:

A Pennsylvania Mother’s Path to Insurrection
How claims from Rudy Giuliani and Alex Jones spurred a parent of eight to become one of the Capitol riot’s biggest mysteries and a fugitive from the F.B.I.
newyorker.com
7:10 PM · Feb 1, 2021


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/a-pennsylvania-mothers-path-to-insurrection-capitol-riot


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"Bullhorn Lady"/"Pink Hat Lady" identified (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2021 OP
Excellent! n/t servermsh Feb 2021 #1
Whoa... finally! SMC22307 Feb 2021 #2
Is that the same woman some were claiming was Boebert's mom? TwilightZone Feb 2021 #3
Yes. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2021 #23
I thought it was ridiculous kcr Feb 2021 #61
Same here. Their accents were completely different too. Wonder where the super-sleuths are now? cwydro Feb 2021 #73
Not to mention that the FBI would have known if it was her mom or not. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #78
She can enjoy her grand baby's pictures via the prison mail system. denbot Feb 2021 #4
8 kids? Dang Lars39 Feb 2021 #5
More proof that the Darwin theory isn't perfect. theneworiginal Feb 2021 #76
A "quiver full". panader0 Feb 2021 #79
Yes Lars39 Feb 2021 #81
a lot of people thought she was Boebert's mom........ Takket Feb 2021 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #8
Evidently, she's been separated from her husband for a couple of years. SMC22307 Feb 2021 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #7
No, originally from California. Moved to western PA with her mother and stepfather. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #33
Yes, but originally from California. There's no need to argue that point. SMC22307 Feb 2021 #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #41
She said she's from "the really bad side of Fresno." It's possible she's gone through life... SMC22307 Feb 2021 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #48
Seriously, I'm from a defunct PA steel town but can't say I've ever stormed the gub'mint. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2021 #51
Don't forget! cannabis_flower Feb 2021 #64
LOL, some whoppers too! Zip-tie guy #1, Oath Keepers, the entitled florist, the entitled realtor... SMC22307 Feb 2021 #83
Fantastic! Buckeye_Democrat Feb 2021 #9
She hasn't been caught, just identified. NT enough Feb 2021 #18
Thanks! Buckeye_Democrat Feb 2021 #19
Long and seemingly thorough New Yorker piece StClone Feb 2021 #10
The article was very interesting PatSeg Feb 2021 #21
Brainwashing Is Money! Companies make money from manipulating PaulnFortWorth Feb 2021 #71
Thanks PatSeg Feb 2021 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #36
OctoTraitor lame54 Feb 2021 #11
Perfect! Nevilledog Feb 2021 #14
+1 dalton99a Feb 2021 #16
LOL, perfect. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2021 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #37
+10000000000000000 Celerity Feb 2021 #52
.. nam78_two Feb 2021 #53
OMG! Noble Prizeworthy! dchill Feb 2021 #57
You win the thread! Sogo Feb 2021 #60
All these Capitol terrorists must be really terrified every time they hear a knock on the door. sop Feb 2021 #12
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #13
Yeah, that's still the mystery. She's quite slippery in the article. (n/t) SMC22307 Feb 2021 #35
She said I've been in their with the Jimmie KewlKat Feb 2021 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #70
"On July 4th, she drove for four hours to join members of several far-right groups" dalton99a Feb 2021 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #40
She should lose her kids.... Sogo Feb 2021 #58
They will have to deprogram them theneworiginal Feb 2021 #77
Jeez, what is it about mask wearing that sends some people over the edge? tanyev Feb 2021 #43
Social hierarchy issues GeoWilliam750 Feb 2021 #84
Too bad there was no way for Dems to publicly demand people not wear masks, tanyev Feb 2021 #85
"Economy-wise he has it going on" Hey Powell, what about this:?? panader0 Feb 2021 #82
The ignorance and lack of self-awareness in these people is remarkable. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #17
Also, Gone with the Wind is racist AF Orangepeel Feb 2021 #30
No kidding - I found that out when I finally read it 5 years ago - I'm 68. Talitha Feb 2021 #65
There are no words. ShazzieB Feb 2021 #63
Did I miss Farrow explaining how she knew the interior layout so well? FreepFryer Feb 2021 #20
It's in the article. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #22
That explanation doesn't ring accurate to me. She describes aspects of a room she can't see (Nt) FreepFryer Feb 2021 #24
She's clearly lying about several things in the interview. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #27
Indeed. We may find out, Farrow is pretty solid, but not perfect. FreepFryer Feb 2021 #29
Did she, though? greenjar_01 Feb 2021 #26
Read quote above. Sounds like SHE thought she did. (Nt) FreepFryer Feb 2021 #34
I speculated elsewhere that she was from upper Midwest but moved somewhere else greenjar_01 Feb 2021 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Feb 2021 #44
Remarkable Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #31
from wired magazine, children moving in unison, in their sleep babydollhead Feb 2021 #47
Throw the book at her ass! MarcATL Feb 2021 #38
EDIT!!! orangecrush Feb 2021 #49
Ty! SheltieLover Feb 2021 #50
She's lying her ass off. mountain grammy Feb 2021 #54
Why when these articles are written? standingtall Feb 2021 #55
+1 n/t FSogol Feb 2021 #80
She listened and believed Rudy Giuliani and Alex Jones? thenelm1 Feb 2021 #56
In spite of the pathos in this story, my inclination is to charge her for these actions, give her a PatrickforO Feb 2021 #59
Perhaps she could get a GED in prison and run for Congress when she gets out dalton99a Feb 2021 #62
Rachel Powell defended the use of N word by.. Cha Feb 2021 #66
Whatever happens, I'm just glad they got this nutty whack-a-doodle! Talitha Feb 2021 #67
Mother of 8? Catherine Vincent Feb 2021 #69
I know, right? Lady Freedom Returns Feb 2021 #72
And the youngest is only four PatSeg Feb 2021 #75
 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
73. Same here. Their accents were completely different too. Wonder where the super-sleuths are now?
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 03:00 AM
Feb 2021

Perhaps "identifying" other perpetrators.

I'm glad this woman was identified, and I hope she'll be in custody asap.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
78. Not to mention that the FBI would have known if it was her mom or not.
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 11:34 AM
Feb 2021

That should have been the first blatant clue that it wasn't her mom. I suspect they checked before they put out the posters.

denbot

(9,899 posts)
4. She can enjoy her grand baby's pictures via the prison mail system.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:51 PM
Feb 2021

As long as she behaves, her mail privileges won’t be revoked.. FREEDUMB!!!

Takket

(21,564 posts)
6. a lot of people thought she was Boebert's mom........
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:52 PM
Feb 2021

looked a bit alike, but as we now know for sure, not the same........

regardless this woman was one of the ringleaders and inciting others to violence. she should be locked up for a long time.

8 kids *sigh*. hope her husband has a brain. maybe the kids will have a chance of growing up right.

Response to Takket (Reply #6)

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
42. Evidently, she's been separated from her husband for a couple of years.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:49 PM
Feb 2021

Eight kids ranging in age from four to mid-20s. She sold cheese and yogurt (?) at farmers' markets but was booted b/c she refused to abide by pandemic rules. Got a PT job at a bookstore. Just a hunch, but I'm guessing she's feeding at the public assistance trough all the while claiming to be "libertarian."

Response to SMC22307 (Reply #42)

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

Response to SMC22307 (Reply #28)

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
39. Yes, but originally from California. There's no need to argue that point.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:40 PM
Feb 2021

Plenty of loons from CA and PA took part that day.

Response to SMC22307 (Reply #39)

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
45. She said she's from "the really bad side of Fresno." It's possible she's gone through life...
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:53 PM
Feb 2021

with a major chip on her shoulder. Her mother made a very good point about the carjacking -- Pink Hat should have been more empathetic toward the people inside the Capitol.

Response to SMC22307 (Reply #45)

Buckeye_Democrat

(14,853 posts)
9. Fantastic!
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:55 PM
Feb 2021


I was one of the posters who spotted various similarities to Q*bert's mother, but I was never certain. Plus some later pics definitely didn't seem to match well.

I'm mostly happy that nutcase was caught!

StClone

(11,683 posts)
10. Long and seemingly thorough New Yorker piece
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:56 PM
Feb 2021

Powell could have turned out differently. However, the voices she got through FB were those of deception which led her off a cliff of radicalization. Yes, it could happen to anybody, but does it really have to?

PatSeg

(47,421 posts)
21. The article was very interesting
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:21 PM
Feb 2021

Powell certainly did not sound like the type of woman who would end up storming the Capitol. She didn't even vote for Trump in 2016.

Powell told me that she didn’t vote for him in his first run, and her social-media posts during that time include sharp criticism of him. “Trump makes me uncomfortable as a presidential candidate,” she wrote in a Facebook post that linked to a piece about Trump’s lack of civility. “What disturbs me is that so many people support this type of person.” She also told me that she took issue with his environmental policies.


https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/a-pennsylvania-mothers-path-to-insurrection-capitol-riot

The power of the brainwashing that occurred in the last few years is extremely disturbing. I am sure there are many more stories such as hers. I wonder at what point did her brain shift gears and what could have made a difference?

PaulnFortWorth

(59 posts)
71. Brainwashing Is Money! Companies make money from manipulating
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 02:37 AM
Feb 2021

our actions and perceptions.


is about a doctor with two daughters and how he sees "The Social Dilemma" as affecting people.
Excellent and well thought out.

Response to StClone (Reply #10)

Response to lame54 (Reply #11)

sop

(10,170 posts)
12. All these Capitol terrorists must be really terrified every time they hear a knock on the door.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 10:59 PM
Feb 2021

Not knowing which one of their friends or family dropped a dime on them must be causing sleepless nights.

Response to Nevilledog (Original post)

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
68. She said I've been in their with the Jimmie
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 01:47 AM
Feb 2021

I believe Jimmie is a tool? And that she broke in there earlier using the Jimmie and therefore knew the layout.

Response to KewlKat (Reply #68)

dalton99a

(81,482 posts)
15. "On July 4th, she drove for four hours to join members of several far-right groups"
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:09 PM
Feb 2021
Those political views began to have various impacts on her life after the pandemic hit. Paula Keswick, who co-owns a local creamery that sold Powell cheese and yogurt, said that Powell was barred from working at some events after she refused to obey pandemic restrictions. “She was just adamant she was not going to wear a mask,” Keswick said. (Powell said that she now works part time at a local bookstore.) Last summer and fall, Powell said, she attended various protests, including anti-mask rallies. “If there was a protest in Harrisburg, I was there for almost all of them,” she told me. On July 4th, she drove for four hours to join members of several far-right groups, some of them armed, who gathered at the Gettysburg National Military Park, purportedly to protect Civil War monuments from desecration. At the rally, a man wearing a Black Lives Matter shirt was surrounded and aggressively questioned by about fifty demonstrators. In a video posted online, Powell is among the group, holding an iPhone with the same Kate Spade Hollyhock Floral case that she was later photographed carrying at the Capitol. Powell also told me that she attended rallies in Washington, D.C., on dates she could not recall, including one attended by members of the far-right group the Proud Boys, where Alex Jones, who has falsely alleged that the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting was faked, spoke. (Powell said that Jones is not her “favorite person,” but that she considers him to be “another journalist to listen to—he has interesting things to say.”) She told me that she did not share the racist views espoused by some on the far right. (In 2013, she tweeted, “what’s up, my niggas?” Powell defended the use of the N-word, saying, “My favorite book is ‘Gone with the Wind,’ and it uses that term freely.”)

Last November, Powell voted for Trump. “It was a little bit of a hard decision for me, and I didn’t make that decision to vote for him till two months before the election,” she said. “I appreciate his business mind. Economy-wise, he has it going on. He loves America.” Ultimately, she concluded, she “couldn’t vote for the other person. I really don’t think Biden or Harris will be good for the country.”

Concerns about mask requirements, which she called a “liberty issue,” were instrumental in her decision. She claimed that the risks of the coronavirus had been overstated by public-health officials, saying that she had not seen many deaths in her county. On November 5th, 2020, she wrote in a Facebook comment directed at a friend, “I won’t get a vaccine either. I hear what you’re saying about the whole world being in on the conspiracy as far as the corona virus goes.” On December 27th, she posted, “I’m unashamedly a ‘super spreader,’ ” attaching photographs of crowded, mask-free holiday and birthday parties. That day, she uploaded a video of a large maskless meal, during which several children said, “No masks,” and Powell could be heard saying, “The masks are total bullcrap. You guys just need to get out there and live. Get arrested—it’s fine.”

Response to dalton99a (Reply #15)

tanyev

(42,553 posts)
43. Jeez, what is it about mask wearing that sends some people over the edge?
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:49 PM
Feb 2021

Such a simple and effective thing to do.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
84. Social hierarchy issues
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 09:47 PM
Feb 2021

In some senses, to accept being told what to do implies acceptance of an inferior social status.

To refuse to accept being told what to do asserts a superior social status.


Perhaps the Democratic party should project something like:

"The United States Marine Corps has a rigorous anti-covid policy which is highly effective at controlling the virus while having a minimal impact on readiness. I cannot understand why the Republican supporters of Trump and other anti-maskers think that US Marines are stupid, brainwashed, robotic, sycophantic morons. However, they are free to call Marines, "stupid sycophants" to their faces, but I pity the fools who would do so."

Also, perhaps something like, "I have never understood why Republicans so hate the military, and insult them at every opportunity."

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/16/us/virus-military.html

tanyev

(42,553 posts)
85. Too bad there was no way for Dems to publicly demand people not wear masks,
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 10:12 PM
Feb 2021

with a nudge nudge wink wink to tip off sane and sensible people that they were using reverse psychology. You know if Pelosi had said nobody other than essential workers was allowed to wear masks the MAGAs would have instantly started wearing them.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
17. The ignorance and lack of self-awareness in these people is remarkable.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:15 PM
Feb 2021

"She told me that she did not share the racist views espoused by some on the far right. (In 2013, she tweeted, “what’s up, my niggas?” Powell defended the use of the N-word, saying, “My favorite book is ‘Gone with the Wind,’ and it uses that term freely.”)"

One of these things is not like the other. It's 1) fiction, and 2) set in the 1860s.

"Powell could be heard saying, “The masks are total bullcrap. You guys just need to get out there and live. Get arrested—it’s fine.”"

Happy to hear you say that. Enjoy prison.

Talitha

(6,584 posts)
65. No kidding - I found that out when I finally read it 5 years ago - I'm 68.
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 01:39 AM
Feb 2021

IMO it's a good thing the author never wrote another novel.

ShazzieB

(16,389 posts)
63. There are no words.
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 01:34 AM
Feb 2021

Powell defended the use of the N-word, saying, “My favorite book is ‘Gone with the Wind,’ and it uses that term freely.”

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
20. Did I miss Farrow explaining how she knew the interior layout so well?
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:21 PM
Feb 2021

She gave very specific instructions based on experience.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
22. It's in the article.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:26 PM
Feb 2021

"In yet another video, she stands outside a broken window, shouting instructions through the bullhorn to rioters inside. Powell says, “I’ve been in the other room,” and appears to outline a plan involving breaking a pane of glass to get into another part of the Capitol. Powell said, regarding her knowledge of the building’s layout, “Anything that was said was figured out as time went on. It wasn’t like there was a map or anything.” "

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
24. That explanation doesn't ring accurate to me. She describes aspects of a room she can't see (Nt)
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:28 PM
Feb 2021

Not making a case but my bs detector is clanging hard.

TwilightZone

(25,471 posts)
27. She's clearly lying about several things in the interview.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:29 PM
Feb 2021

She could certainly be lying about that. I'm actually surprised she agreed to it at all.

FreepFryer

(7,077 posts)
29. Indeed. We may find out, Farrow is pretty solid, but not perfect.
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:31 PM
Feb 2021
"Hey guys, I've been in the other room..." she says into a bullhorn, then proceeds to deliver detailed instructions on how to take the building.

"In the other room on the other side of this door right here where you are standing, there is a glass that somebody, if it's broken, you can drop down into a room underneath it," she says, gesturing.

"There's also two doors in the other room. One in the rear, and one to the right as you go in."

"So people should probably coordinate together if you're going to take this building."
 

greenjar_01

(6,477 posts)
25. I speculated elsewhere that she was from upper Midwest but moved somewhere else
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:28 PM
Feb 2021

Since she had the hint of a midwest vowel shift but it wasn't that pronounced. I mentioned Ohio and Western PA.

Turned out I had it backwards: she was from California but moved to Western PA in her teens. It has a similar effect on the accent. People who were saying she sounded like Boebert's mother (from Florida) were really hallucinating.

Response to greenjar_01 (Reply #25)

Johnny2X2X

(19,061 posts)
31. Remarkable
Mon Feb 1, 2021, 11:32 PM
Feb 2021

Just a crazy story from normal person to terrorist. There are powerful forces of propaganda and mind manipulation going on here. This is not normal.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
55. Why when these articles are written?
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:48 AM
Feb 2021

Why can't they just come out and say it? The reason right wing nuts believe all of this stuff is, because they were already inclined to believe it. The were already inclined to believe it, because they already held resentments against entire groups of people either consciously or sub-consciously. So they made a conscious decision to believe whatever negative is sad about people they already didn't like to begin with no matter how outlandish or atrocious. Why we just can't tell it like it is? It the truth. Instead of trying to portray these people as victims who just got suckered in.

thenelm1

(854 posts)
56. She listened and believed Rudy Giuliani and Alex Jones?
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 12:55 AM
Feb 2021

She apparently lost touch with reality too. Good Lord. Two of the most cray, cray of the cray, cray.

PatrickforO

(14,573 posts)
59. In spite of the pathos in this story, my inclination is to charge her for these actions, give her a
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 01:26 AM
Feb 2021

fair trial, and then imprison her for an appropriate sentence.

We can blame, blame, blame - social media, 'influencers' and so on, but the reality is that she made the decision to go to DC, she made the decision to storm the Capitol, she made the decision to use the battering ram, and whatever else she ended up doing there.

She is guilty of domestic terrorism, and quite possibly conspiracy.

PatSeg

(47,421 posts)
75. And the youngest is only four
Tue Feb 2, 2021, 10:26 AM
Feb 2021

What is going to happen to those kids if their mother goes to jail? Apparently that possibility never dawned on her.

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