General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSen. Schumer ready to proceed to reconciliation "We are not going to dilute, to dither, to delay,"
Geoff Bennett @GeoffRBennett 11mSenate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer says the Senate will vote today on a motion to proceed to the budget reconciliation resolution for Bidens COVID relief package. We are not going to dilute, to dither, to delay, he says.
Link to tweet
Manu Raju @mkraju 46m
Schumer says the Senate will vote today on a procedural motion to move ahead on the budget resolution. That means budget resolution will be on the floor this week, setting the stage for reconciliation legislation (with covid relief) later this month or early March
Link to tweet
maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Last thing I knew they hadn't organized it.
...that's a big headache getting nominees and legislation to the floor.
Not impossible, just a headache.
Walleye
(31,022 posts)maxsolomon
(33,345 posts)Legislating?
Jan 20th was a fortnight ago!
getagrip_already
(14,750 posts)1 is that they were hampered by covid quarantine/isolation and not all members were available. That appears to not be a factor today.
The other is that there was still wrangling going on over committee assignments. They all know their votes are needed and are pushing every advantage no doubt.
Walleye
(31,022 posts)Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)People need financial help now, and we need vaccines now.
Kids need to get back to school.
Walleye
(31,022 posts)The churches came and helped far ahead of the government, the bureaucrats couldnt quite figure out that babies need their food now, and they need their diapers, and most people walked out of there with just the shirts on their back. We are now in a worse emergency and in the entire country.Dont know why its so hard for the people who make the laws to understand the people who have to live by them.
Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)I don't get it.
If it were McConnell trying to get judges or tax cuts, it would be done yesterday.
Walleye
(31,022 posts)https://www.huffpost.com/entry/budget-reconciliation-rules-democrats-biden_n_5ff9d3e6c5b66f3f795e554d
https://www.ncsl.org/blog/2017/01/13/how-the-congressional-reconciliation-process-works.aspx
https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=122816822
Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #8)
Name removed Message auto-removed
Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...they've been working on budget reconciliation for a week.
Neither has expressed 'concern' over the process initiated today by the Senate Majority Leader.
Both houses of Congress were preparing to take the first steps forward on U.S. President Joe Biden's $1.9 trillion COVID-19 relief package, with initial votes on Tuesday
https://www.reuters.com/article/health-coronavirus-usa-congress-idUSL1N2K81MU
Response to bigtree (Reply #25)
Name removed Message auto-removed
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...might help to provide the substance and timing of those 'reports' here.
They expressed their desire in the caucus meeting to pass direct aid as quickly as possible. No report they consider the reconciliation process an unnecessary delay by the Democratic leadership.
Their concerns are moot, really. Budget reconciliation is proceeding, and it's the fastest vehicle available to the leadership to advance Covid relief.
Response to bigtree (Reply #30)
Name removed Message auto-removed
W_HAMILTON
(7,866 posts)BComplex
(8,051 posts)Surely people can go without food for a month, while living in their cars with no gas, so that the very well paid politicians can get their act together.
Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)Right they have their vaccines, food, shelter, paycheck.
Walleye
(31,022 posts)The GOP senate is not used to actually legislating
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...I think that'll cause most of the delay. Budget Reconciliation has a long series of votes to get it to final passage.
There's the scoring of the bill, the accounting to keep it within the Byrd Rule. For instance, there will need to be offsets for budget shortfalls which can trigger automatic cuts to programs like Medicare (will most likely need republican votes to protect it), and we still have republicans chairing committees in the Senate.
Walleye
(31,022 posts)Can we change the Byrd rule?
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...I do understand that most folks aren't aware there would/will be a delay of Covid relief if there's no agreement with the republican minority, operating under the current filibuster rules where they can require 60 votes to proceed to the bill on the floor.
And remember, we still need a solid majority of Democrats to make this work, zero defections in the Senate.
Sounds ominous, but it's just the delay- hard to bear I know, but it's going to work in the end.
(if you mean change the terms of reconciliation, I think there's been some talk of that, but I'd bet this effort would need to run aground before they went that route.)
Walleye
(31,022 posts)Like everyone else, Ive just been spending too much time by myself
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and the incessant dangling of this pittance of aid is infuriating.
I think we'll find, though, that our Democratic majority leadership in both houses is hitting the ground running. None of this process involved them waiting for republicans to move forward, and I believe the framework for proceeding has already been established by the party in advance of assuming the leadership.
Link to tweet
Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...as both houses are proceeding without republican support to advance Covid relief through the budget reconciliation process without any hesitancy.
The 'delays' are part of the democratic process where the opposition will have several opportunities to amend the bill, or require votes on automatic cuts to programs like Medicare.
Democrats will likely finish the budget reconciliation process of votes in record time, with unanimity from the Democratic caucus.
The only alternative was the ending of the filibuster which isn't something the Democratic leaders, Schumer and Pelosi, can do by fiat. Ending the filibuster requires every Democrat's vote, plus the VP's. You should know well there's not a majority in the Senate for that vote, with a determinate few objecting.
Reconciliation represents a sense of urgency by the Democratic leaders to forgo waiting for republicans and pass the relief on their own. It's a bold choice, and one that allows Democrats to advance Covid relief on their own initiative and intent.
Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)What if a nuclear bomb was dropped on the USA?
Would take months to get help to the American people because of parliamentary rules.
Crazy.
Irish_Dem
(47,058 posts)Response to Walleye (Reply #14)
Name removed Message auto-removed
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and a bit baity about the former Democratic Majority Leader.
...get a clue:
SUMMARY OF THE BYRD RULE
Under the Byrd rule, the Senate is prohibited from considering extraneous matter as part of a reconciliation bill or resolution or conference report thereon. The definition of what constitutes "extraneous matter" is set forth in the Budget Act; however, the term remains subject to considerable interpretation by the presiding officer (who relies on the Senate Parliamentarian). The Byrd rule is enforced when a Senator raises a point of order during consideration of a reconciliation bill or conference report. If the point of order is sustained, the offending title, provision or amendment is deemed stricken unless its proponent can muster a 3/5 (60) Senate majority vote to waive the rule.
Subject matter - The Byrd rule may be invoked only against reconciliation bills, amendments thereto, and reconciliation conference reports.
Byrd rule tests - Section 313(b)(1) of the Congressional Budget Act sets forth six tests for matters to be considered extraneous under the Byrd rule. The criteria apply to provisions that:
do not produce a change in outlays or revenues;
produce changes in outlays or revenue which are merely incidental to the non-budgetary components of the provision;
are outside the jurisdiction of the committee that submitted the title or provision for inclusion in the reconciliation measure;
increase outlays or decrease revenue if the provision's title, as a whole, fails to achieve the Senate reporting committee's reconciliation instructions;
increase net outlays or decrease revenue during a fiscal year after the years covered by the reconciliation bill unless the provision's title, as a whole, remains budget neutral;
contain recommendations regarding the OASDI (social security) trust funds.
Exceptions to the Byrd Rule - Section 313(b)(2) allows certain otherwise covered Senate-originated provisions to be excepted from the Byrd rule if the provisions are certified for exemption by the Senate Budget Committee chairman and ranking minority member, as well as the chairman and ranking minority member of the committee of jurisdiction. The permitted exceptions are:
a provision that mitigates direct effects attributable to a second provision which changes outlays or revenue when the provisions together produce a net reduction in outlays;
the provision will result in a substantial reduction in outlays or a substantial increase in revenues during fiscal years after the fiscal years covered by the reconciliation bill;
the provision will likely reduce outlays or increase revenues based on actions that are not currently projected by CBO for scorekeeping purposes; or
such provision will likely produce significant reduction in outlays or increase in revenues, but due to insufficient data such reduction or increase cannot be reliably estimated.
Effect of points of order - The effect of raising a point of order under the Byrd rule is to strike the offending extraneous provision. If a point of order against a conference report is sustained, the Senate may consider subsequent motions to dispose of that portion of the conference report not subject to the point of order.
Waivers - The Byrd rule is not self-enforcing. A point of order must be raised at the appropriate time to enforce it. The Byrd rule can only be waived by a 3/5 (60) majority vote of the Senate.
Response to bigtree (Reply #32)
Name removed Message auto-removed
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...and ignoring the substance of the Senate rule.
I fixed that, though, for anyone looking onto your inflammatory remarks.
Response to bigtree (Reply #34)
Name removed Message auto-removed
...projection, as well.
I'd be forgiven if I concluded you aren't actually interested in the facts and realities of budget reconciliation.
W_HAMILTON
(7,866 posts)Uh, welcome to DU, or something like that.
Wounded Bear
(58,654 posts)Calista241
(5,586 posts)bigtree
(85,996 posts)...because republicans failed to pass a budget last year.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)forget the repigs, and move on. Unity between the American people and Democrats. Just move on. Steam roll them.
bigtree
(85,996 posts)...that's the plan.