Medical people refusing vaccine

[angrychair]

So found out something yesterday that just melted my mind.
My spouse works at a inpatient mental health care facility and got the first shot a couple weeks ago and gets the second shot on Monday.

The part that melted me was when she said that her co-worker isn't getting it. Apparently its not mandatory at their facility. Now this is a place that required her shot record be up to date before she was hired a couple years ago.

Also verified the same with sister that is a critical care nurse at a hospital in another state. She said since its controversial they didn't make it required. (For what it's worth, after weighing the risks because she is pregnant, my sister went ahead and got her first vaccine shot)

I'm just blown away. We have over 400,000 dead and millions sick and likely to suffer debilitating physical issues for the rest of their lives.

MSNBC gave the statistic yesterday that a person is dying from COVID every 28 seconds. Isn't that controversial?

That you might interact with a medical person that is refusing the vaccine is concerning. Both from a health perspective but it would also make me question their capabilities as a medical professional.

[Mike 03]

1. The Canadian Broadcasting Company, which has a channel on SiriusXM, has

spent a huge amount of time devoted to this subject (CBC Radio One).

For whatever reason, there was a period where you would hear a report or a mini-documentary about this every day. It was really fascinating and some of the interviews actually made me sympathetic towards the nurses. In Canada they are (or were, two weeks ago) trying to decide whether or not to make vaccination of health workers mandatory.

Anyway, I just wanted to post this because when you dig down into the reasons and listen to them it's kind of a poignant debate. They are totally exhausted, have sacrificed any normalcy in their lives and feel they have given everything they have to the COVID fight, and they spend most of their days following guidelines and obeying orders and feel they have no control over their lives, and they are using the vaccine debate to try to assert some little measure of control.

So people can call it stupid or ignorant or whatever, but that is one of the major reasons they are hesitating or resisting. It is not an anti-science issue; deep down it is a personal and psychological issue having to do with exhaustion and a sense of powerlessness.

Personally, I think the answer is to make it voluntary and then a lot of these people will get the shot, but if you tell them they have no choice in the matter, they are going to resist and feel aggrieved.

[coti]

7. I'm in a similar situation to the above and this is very much along the lines of my thinking

Have to be careful or a lot of damage could be done to an organization. Getting people vaccinated is going to take time, some have to adjust to the idea. Some have to see others go first. Some need to feel social pressure. Some will never do it and will have to be dealt with individually.

[Sgent]

2. I think its the same as everywhere

education. I've seen internal reports that say RN's initially were only getting it at about 50%, doctors around 95%, and other staff around 25%. After the hospital started doing small in person sessions with pharmacists / ID docs it blew up to 90%+ for all groups.

The CDC was allocated about $400 million in the very first stimulus for this issue, but HHS clawed it back to the Secretary level to use for their aborted campaign where they couldn't get anyone due to the controversy.

[roamer65]

3. It should be mandatory for all health care workers.

Only allowed excuse for not getting it should be a documented allergy to the components of the vaccine.

I am 100 percent full steam forward on getting the first shot today after I read about a week ago that it does infect the brain, often with higher viral loads than the lungs.

[Greybnk48]

4. Our DIL works in the Covid unit at our hospital

and has refused the vaccine. She just graduated from nursing school last May, so has less than a year's experience, but apparently she knows more than the experts.

I worked as a Surg. Tech for 10 years when I was younger, and I've seen this know-it-all crap before; the derisive talk about how some of the Docs are "so dumb."

Meanwhile, we've been apart from our grandkids for months other than driveway visits and some backyard play. It sucks.

[cyclonefence]

5. Maybe I am completely misunderstanding the way vaccines work

but even if they are vaccinated, they still pose a danger as carriers, don't they? Vaccines protect the person who is vaccinated, but don't do anything to protect those around them who are not vaccinated, right?

As I understand it, when you're vaccinated, you receive antibodies that will prevent your body from developing the disease involved, but not against picking up the germs---you can have the germs in your body, but you won't get sick from them. Like Typhoid Mary?

The big picture would be, as I see it, if enough of us developed antibodies to covid, it could still be around, but with no hosts (i.e. no potential victims to grow in), it would eventually die out.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Vivienne235729]

6. Yep. Where I work, 100% of the providers are getting it and 50% of nurses getting it

Blows. my. mind. There is ALOT of misinformation out there.

[ismnotwasm]

8. Well I got mine

And if I need a “booster” or a yearly shot, I’ll get that as well. Nurses can be susceptible to bad information, fortunately I don’t work with any. We all all Covid exhausted and ours isn’t even a Covid unit, we’ve only had a few patients with it but the constant vigilance is something else. I’ve had people come in for what we call “work ups” for a organ transplant and test positive, get sent home and temporarily taken off the list.

I want to be safe as possible. I want my patients to be well. I’m sick of Covid and I will do whatever it takes to fight it.

[MyNameGoesHere]

9. Health care worker refusing vaccine?

No vaccine, no job. Lot of folks out there out of work, some of them have to be health care