I don't think Manchin is totally on board.

[Fla Dem]

Joe Manchin Deals Blow to Democrats' Stimulus Plan, Won't Support It Without Bipartisan Agreement

Newsweek
Matthew Impelli 1 hr ago

Democratic Senator Joe Manchin said Tuesday he is opposed to passing an economic relief bill without bipartisan agreement.

"I will vote to move forward with the budget process because we must address the urgency of the COVID-19 crisis. But let me be clear—and these are words I shared with President Biden—our focus must be targeted on the COVID-19 crisis and Americans who have been most impacted by this pandemic."

"The President remains hopeful that we can have bipartisan support moving forward. I will only support proposals that will get us through and end the pain of this pandemic," the statement added. "For the sake of the country, we must work together with laser focus to defeat the COVID-19 crisis, support our neighbors and communities who continue to suffer and get back to a more normal life as quickly as possible."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/joe-manchin-deals-blow-to-democrats-stimulus-plan-won-t-support-it-without-bipartisan-agreement/ar-BB1dkqMC?li=BBorjTa&ocid=U452DHP

I read this to say, he will only support the the Presidents bill if the Republicans are on board and he will not support anything that is not covid19 related.

He is also not supporting the $15 minimum wage. So basically he is siding with the 10 Republicans Senators who met with Biden yesterday.

[msongs]

1. President Manchin has spoken...again nt

[lsewpershad]

2. Time to get rid

of this kind of dem who is uncertain of his purpose for being there.

[FBaggins]

11. Sigh... not this nonsense again?

What happens when we get rid of this kind of Dem?

The Senate returns to Republican hands.

Be careful what you wish for. He may do it for you.

[WarGamer]

14. Are you sure?

Without Manchin, McConnell is still Majority Leader and Biden is guaranteed 2-4 years of roadblocks.

The voters of West Virginia are itching to elect another Blackburn or Tuberville.

West Virginia voted for Trump with 68.6% of the vote.

I'll take the Red State moderate to get Schumer in the big chair.

[NYC Liberal]

25. He'll be replaced with a Republican who votes with us 0% of the time

instead of 50%.

[Silent3]

3. Another very recent post says that reconciliation is already going forward...

...so I don't see how this equals holding out for (not a chance in hell anyway) Republican cooperation.

[Johnny2X2X]

7. The process allows for votes on proposals to be added to it

This will take a few weeks. Manchin himself will try to kill parts of the bill.

I am confident he's a yes vote in the end though. The $15 an hour minimum wage is definitely in jeopardy though. Manchin wants it to be $11.

[Budi]

9. Yes it just passed on a 50-49 vote. Toomey was the absent one.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9216155/amp/Democrats-vote-start-muscling-1-9T-bailout-package-without-Republican-support.html

Democrats vote to start muscling $1.9T bailout package through without Republican support after Joe Biden told GOP senators their $600B offer was 'too small'

Joe Biden told Republicans their $600 billion COVID relief plan was 'too small' as the Senate voted to proceed with a way to muscle through the president's trillion dollar proposal without GOP support.

The motion passed 50-49 on a party line vote. Republican Senator Pat Toomey was absent, meaning Vice President Kamala Harris wasn't need to break a tie.

[FBaggins]

13. "Going forward" just means that the process can start

Manchin would still need to support whatever the end results are. He's already made clear that there are things in there that he won't support.

Increasing the minimum wage was one of them... but that may not even come up because it may not qualify for reconciliation anyway

[thucythucy]

4. WTF?

The Republican governor of his own state supports the larger plan.

What possible reason could he have for derailing the process now?

[dem4decades]

5. Well if he wasn't Joe Manchin that would be a Republican Senator.

I guess we're lucky to have Manchin, Brown, and Tester 3 Senators from deep Red states. Are there any Republican Senators from deep blue states?

[Polybius]

18. Susan Collins of Maine

They haven't voted Red for President since 1988.

[dem4decades]

20. I wouldn't call Maine blue. Angus King is an Independent. Maine gives 1 Electoral vote to a

Republican and Their former Governor was Trump before Trump.

[Polybius]

24. Bernie is an Independent too, but like King he is much closer to us than them

You're right though, one part of it is Red. Very Red indeed.

[dem4decades]

26. Funny thing, that's the poorest part. Like Republican's give a shit

About them.

[Polybius]

28. It's insane isn't it?

WV is very poor too, so what do they do? They voted for Trump with over 68% of the vote. That's just insane.

[Budi]

6. Well, he was on board enought to pass ot this far today.

I'm not putting any faith in where he goes or doesn't go from here.

It's all negotiable from here on.
Manchin can be moved. Biden & Kamala just proved that.

One move at a time..

[maxrandb]

8. Newsweek has become nothing but a right-wing rag

You might as well post stuff from The Enquirer or NEWSMAX.

[Budi]

12. True. I got more info from Daily Mail, ffs!

WaPo has it too, but its a paywall

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9216155/amp/Democrats-vote-start-muscling-1-9T-bailout-package-without-Republican-support.html

[mackdaddy]

10. He can be a disruptor to some extent, but Biden is a Senate expert.

I think that Biden will only take so much from Manchin, and then Biden will kick his ass.

My take is that VP Harris going on WV tv was a shot across the bow.

After the crap of the last 12 years from McConnell and Trump they are just going to do what is right.

[Budi]

15. "My take is that VP Harris going on WV tv was a shot across the bow"

Absolutely.

She took it directly to the people, gave it her straight talk & they disregarded the chatter from all the noisemakers.
Then Biden went to talk with Manchin.

The people are now good with Manchin's yes vote.

Thanks VP Harris & Joe.
A perfect game play between those two!

[drray23]

16. I trust President Biden and Leader Schumer to deal with it.

They have decades of experience in the senate. They will convince Manchin especially after the governor of west virginia (Jim Justice) came out in favor of a bold plan. The fact vice president Harris went to west virginia is not unsignificant. They are starting to squeeze Manchin. He will make noise and hem and haw but I seriously doubt he will want to be the senator blocking the whole thing.

[TomSlick]

17. Manchin is in both a powerful and fraught position.

In a lot of ways Manchin is the most powerful Senator other than Majority Leader Schumer. If Manchin doesn't go along, a bill cannot move.

Manchin is in a fraught position because he is a Democrat from a very Republican state. He cannot stray too far from his constituents if he hopes to be re-elected. He has to walk a careful line. I hope that he is more intelligent than he puts on.

[radius777]

29. WV was historically a conservative Dem state

that may disagree with modern Dems on social issues but has always been to the left economically.

Manchin is out of touch. Nobody cares about token Senate bipartanship. His constituents need help and even his Repub governor wants a big relief package.

[jalan48]

19. So is Manchin the new Lieberman? I'll change sides if you don't agree with me?

[dem4decades]

22. Connecticut is not West Virginia.

[Celerity]

23. If we lose the Senate in 2022, I expect him to flip to R in preparation for his 2024 re-election bid

in the ruby red Trumpian hellscape that is WV.

[StarfishSaver]

21. He won't vote for the bill unless a Republican votes for it, too?

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

[Celerity]

27. He wants Collins (whom he endorsed and supported against our Dem candidate Gideon) to hold his hand

Maybe Murkowski too. Toss in Sinema and you have the very small but power-swinging centre-right (only in the American sense, they would all be solid RW in most all other advanced western nations) foursome.

[JI7]

30. There is already Republican support for it with his state's governor

agreeing with what Harris presented.

[MerryBlooms]

31. Manchin seems concerned. *nod to susan collins