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(10,895 posts)And that is exactly what happened, for a few hours at least.
Damning.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Maraya1969
(22,478 posts)3 hours for one member of the National Guard to show up after the mayor of DC asked for them. THREE HOURS.
triron
(21,999 posts)If that happens all hell could break loose.
Grasswire2
(13,568 posts)We do need the actual language of the memo itself. Yes.
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Link to tweet
At 2:33 on the video, someone announced the defense department would not be sending
Reinforcements... the crowd cheers ... how did they know that?
C Moon
(12,212 posts)BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)If you were randomly part of the crowd there, or part of a small group from Elk Groin WY, how would you possibly know exactly what "Bring the line forward" means?
Obviously that it's in English with correct syntax means we all know the literal definition, but what specifically is the order being given in this context? "Am I part of this line?" "Should I be joining the line, and if so, where are they?" "Forward to where?"
Unless they've been drilled specifically for this, even trained soldiers would not necessarily know exactly what to do.
Maraya1969
(22,478 posts)How did whoever that was know that?
UpInArms
(51,280 posts)Where were they getting their information?
Maraya1969
(22,478 posts)during the Senate trial. I am looking forward to it
LastDemocratInSC
(3,647 posts)The document will have the footnote text.
LastDemocratInSC
(3,647 posts)55 Andrew Feinberg, White House Insiders Say Trump Knew What Was About To Happen At The Capitol
Because of His Social Media Guru Dan Scavino, Independent (Jan. 12, 2021).
pnwmom
(108,976 posts)Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)
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triron
(21,999 posts)riversedge
(70,189 posts)Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)BComplex
(8,037 posts)They have to vote to convict him. They should each and all be publicly shamed if they don't.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)short of outright treason.
Maraya1969
(22,478 posts)stopdiggin
(11,296 posts)And I think a lot of us were long ago convinced there was "awareness" -- hopefully not only within the WH, but also by our security agencies. What a smoking gun looks like to us, are operational plans to storm the Capital (and kill or capture?) -- with cooperation and collusion traced to official sources.
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)Even if the evidence of what is happening, or about to happen, randomly lands in their laps, they should be doing SOMETHING to forestall the catastrophe. Even failing to do something effective in saving life and property would mitigate any guilt, as long as a good-faith effort was made.
My 2 cents.
stopdiggin
(11,296 posts)but my point is -- that standard has already been fully met?
Upping the ante -- to a place where the general public would agree that this man is certainly guilty of, and should be convicted of, actively promoting sedition and illegal actions (i.e. a riot at the Capital) -- probably means going to the next level proof? After all, Trump has been criminally reckless and dangerous with his speech -- since well before he took office.
msfiddlestix
(7,278 posts)foot soldiers. Every. Single. One. of these people need to be indicted.
malaise
(268,931 posts)none whatsoever. No one who was paying attention has any doubt.
He should die in prison.
That ReTHUGs are attempting to play down the seriousness of this criminality is unbelievable.
spanone
(135,823 posts)C Moon
(12,212 posts)ReTHUGs know the evidence is damning
BobTheSubgenius
(11,563 posts)and considering the various facets takes them to a level of culpability. Accomplices after the fact, so to speak.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)where was the FBI? Usually we're told they're monitoring hate groups.
triron
(21,999 posts)wiggs
(7,812 posts)doesn't have to be explicit 'direction'...doesn't have to be a direct connection to the specific actions taken by the insurrectionists...we don't need to hear a phone call between Trump or spawn and the viking helmet guy...
...what we already know represents MASSIVE irresponsibility, GIGANTIC dereliction of duty, probable illegality, HUGE embarrassment on the world stage, ENORMOUS erosion of US as a beacon of democracy, EXTREME violation of oath of office...a culmination of the worst 4 years of presidential history. All of which are supremely impeachable in a health senate.
I hope the impeachment managers make it clear this is not a criminal trial and that undermining of democracy over several months represents a COMPLETE FAILURE of presidential duty warranting conviction. There don't need to be debates of fine points here...this is crystal clear.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)aggiesal
(8,911 posts)but in contact tracing, they never mention being at the Capitol building because it could
implicate them with sedition, or they could lose their jobs.
vapor2
(1,244 posts)for the National Guard to stand down and it is damning.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215034066