Senate Dems may have to drop minimum wage boost from reconciliation with or without Machin

[RandySF]

The Senate Parliamentarian would likely rule that the minimum wage is not pertinent to the budget and not eligible to be a part of a reconciliation oachage.

[Celerity]

1. Yes I mentioned that before, if so, waive bye bye 15 an hour as McTurtle will filibuster

[uponit7771]

15. +1, if we don't get rid of the filibuster and make progress dems will be wondering in 2022 why ...

.... people voted for the assholes who don't care about senate "rules" and even willing to break laws to get what they want

[Demsrule86]

18. Well if we work our asses of and win in 22 which I think we can...we can do it then.

I believe Manchin and others will be open to ending the filibuster if McConnell blocks everything. Run on the GOP destroyed the opportunity for a higher minimum wage and any other bullshit obstruction.

[DFW]

2. If that is the only obstacle, I'm cool with it.

A minimum wage can be enacted separately, and would need to be nuanced anyway in order to pass. $15 makes sense in Boston and San Francisco, but could bankrupt small businesses in lower-cost states in the south and west if not done gradually, instead of from one second to the next. If a small business's costs suddenly exceed its earnings, it goes bust, and then no one has work.

[WHITT]

4. EXCEPT

but could bankrupt small businesses in lower-cost states in the south and west if not done gradually, instead of from one second to the next. If a small business's costs suddenly exceed its earnings, it goes bust, and then no one has work.

That's false RightWing propaganda. As I've pointed out previously, with one unique exception, employment has RISEN after every past increase in the Federal Minimum Wage:

[link:https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215002200#post3|]

[BlueLucy]

6. Has it ever nearly doubled?

[WHITT]

7. Non Sequitur

the current Federal Minimum Wage is at something like a 40-year low in inflation-adjusted dollars, so it wouldn't be that large of an increase relative to the economy. One of the first rules of economics is you have to compare apples to apples, so to speak.

[DFW]

8. That is false wounded wing propaganda

The minimum wage has never been doubled overnight. How many people do you employ exactly, and what do they make, while you're at it?

If you're going to accuse someone of using right wing propaganda, go try elsewhere. That won't fly here.

[WHITT]

10. Well

1) It's false.

2) It is repeatedly claimed by the American RightWing, including Repubs.

Therefore, Ipso Facto.



Oh, and it's not being "doubled overnight", even in non-inflation dollars. Are you aware how many states already have minimum wages much higher than the Federal Minimum wage?

[Walleye]

11. Yes. Minimum wage increase never results in higher unemployment.

We have to work diligently to shoot down these Republican lies every time they tell them.

[Demsrule86]

19. $15.00 an hour is needed period. Nobody can survive on minimum wage anywhere.

[WHITT]

3. Eh

under the BUDGET provision of reconciliation, the legislation must REDUCE the budget deficit. When the Repubs passed massive tax cuts for the Rich & Corporate, the Parliamentarian pointed out it would increase the budget deficit (DUH!). They were ignored and overruled by the VP, presiding over the Senate.

If the Parliamentarian rules the increase in the Federal Minimum Wage is not relative under reconciliation, VP Harris can just overrule.



Oh, the Repubs will roll out the fainting couches, but they will be a chorus of hypocrites.

[Demsrule86]

20. Good point!

[OnDoutside]

5. Can they not have a vote on the Parliamentarian's decision ? I thought they could.

[marie999]

9. If the federal government is allowed to do it,

shouldn't the minimum wage in each state be according to the buying power in each state?

[Demsrule86]

21. No, we need a $15.00 minimum wage as for business that can't afford it. They are dumping their

cost of doing business on American taxpayers...we need a living wage.

[Hortensis]

14. Of course, it wouldn't pass. AND that means it wouldn't provide COVID RELIEF.

That's a major reason for making it part of the big COVID relief package: by making it effective right away, to both provide the big stimulus the economy requires (through many millions of households who'd mostly spend it locally) AND provide relief directly to people having difficulty, or inability, living on what they're currently earning.

Btw, a bill has been introduced that might someday be able to get sufficient Republican support by phasing a $15 increase in over some years.

[Hortensis]

23. :) Well, I can't tell if you think any of those are a good idea or not,

but one specific answer is that this is possible now and those are not. We are rescuing our nation and the faster and better we effect the recovery the more that further, ongoing damage will be avoided.

Have a nice day.

[Hortensis]

27. I'm sorry you're feeling out in the cold so far, Pinkstarburst.

Fwiw, no one gets riled up about my problems, injustices, inequities either. In fact, given the demo I'm categorized in, I'd immediately be shredded with contempt if I merely hinted at thinking I was the target of intense discrimination, exploitation and neglect.

But, I always figure that what's good for society's good for me. Secure, contented people are nicer, more generous people, and far more likely to elect nice, generous governments. Frightened, angry people are mean and selfish people who'll not just be enraged at the idea of paying taxes to care for people with disabilities but will kill them at their leader's direction, and they've been having their moment.

But that may be passing, so all I can say is keep taking care while we work toward better times.

[Demsrule86]

22. We need to put in the Covid Bill. We must do it in reconciliation. So that is wrong.

[Hortensis]

13. There is a valid argument that the increase would affect the budget.

But, of course, nothing this big's that simple.

CNBC: Some data shows that boosting the minimum wage would have an impact on the federal budget, however. In paper published Friday, Michael Reich, a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, estimated that raising the minimum wage to $15 a hour would have a positive effect of $64.5 billion per year on the federal budget once fully implemented in 2025. The boost will come, in part, from increased payroll tax revenue, he said.

Another study from the Economic Policy Institute, a left-leaning research group, and shared with CNBC, found that a $15 minimum wage would reduce expenditures on public assistance programs by $13.4 billion to $31 billion. It would also boost payroll tax revenue by $7 billion to $13.9 billion.

“These are sizeable figures that would have a meaningful impact on the federal budget,” said David Cooper, who co-authored the EPI report with Ben Zipperer and Josh Bivens.

[Wounded Bear]

17. A min wage increase would increase federal income tax withholding...

as well as FICA revenues for SSA.

[turbinetree]

24. Agreed .......................

[jalan48]

25. Wow. WVA voters would be upset because they would be making more money? More education funds to

WVA in this case.