Can the Republicans garner 17 Senators to save their Party?

[kentuck]

Seventeen Senators out of fifty is all that they need.

More than that number will not be running for re-election for another four to six years. So it should be an easy vote for them.

But they are scared to death. There is little courage or common sense to be found.

Do they realize that their Party is in its death throes? They cannot hitch their wagon to something so grotesque and conspiratorial as the present base of their Party and expect to survive. Surely there are seventeen of them that realize that?

Once history is recorded, they cannot erase it. It would serve them well to do some really deep soul-searching. They are lost in the forest of lies.

[PirateRo]

1. Yah, that's basically where they are, not the party of Lincoln but the party of insurrectionists

I am at a point where I don’t listen to a word coming from that group. Not a word! If they do make it into an interview I’m invested in, then I make a note to do EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE of what they state.

[Jerry2144]

2. Same result if

It would be the same result if 25 Repugnant Senators do not show up to vote on the day of voting. They can claim that they refuse to show up to vote “reasons” and every Democratic Senator can convict. If they are right that it’s unconstitutional (they aren’t) that could be cover. The shit brick is convicted and blocked, they can claim it is an unconstitutional farce, not get their hands dirty, appease their base, and get him gone

[ProudMNDemocrat]

3. Those Senators who vote NOT TO convict Trump....

Will show us who they still serve.

It WILL NOT be to uphold and Defend the US Constitution, uphold the Rule of Law, or hold ANYONE accountable for violating the principles and laws this country was founded on.

Donald Trump has taken the GOP down a path of destruction they themselves will drown in inch by inch. Republicans loyal to Trump have NO Credibility whatsoever to criticize anyone who questions them. Their HYPOCRISY will be on display more than ever despite the evidence that comes out during this next Impeachment trial.

[kentuck]

5. I think you are right.

Those that refuse to convict are signing their political death warrants.

[Wounded Bear]

13. Sorry, but I suspect that is wishful thinking...

far too many Americans have fallen down the rabbit hole and walked through the looking glass into bizzaro world.

[Turin_C3PO]

16. The impeachment vote may not matter

but polls do show that the GOP has lost significant support since the Jan 6th insurrection. If they keep up the Qanon bullshit, I believe they’ll lose anymore. Biden has a high approval rating, 77% want Republicans to get on board with Biden’s agenda. Things aren’t as bad as they may appear.

[Wounded Bear]

20. I'll give you that...

it's just that when voters go to the polls, the 'I'll vote for my guy' syndrome seems to outweigh facts or rationality in far too many cases.

The Senate map is split this time IIRC, with fairly equal numbers of Rs and Ds up for re-election. I hope we can flip a couple/few seats blue and I've heard some noise that several Rs could be in trouble even before this bullshit. We'll see.

As usual, the House is hard to fathom out overall. We can't afford to lose any seats there, either.

[Turin_C3PO]

27. I think we'll increase our numbers in the Senate.

The House will be tougher. I don’t expect we’ll gain, our goal should be to keep control. There’s a chance that 2022 will be a referendum on how Biden handles the pandemic. If he does well, which I expect him to, we might be in for some good surprises. I know I’m being optimistic with my analysis, so we’ll ultimately see what happens.

[Wounded Bear]

28. The rescue bill is key IMHO...

pass that and get checks out, blitz the vaccine rollout, get schools open and people back to work. Get all that done and the Dems should do fine in 22.

[Shell_Seas]

4. I don't think so. They are going to kill their party.

[vlyons]

6. The only possible way to get 17 GOP senators is to bribe them

with a big fat wad of money donated by some Super-Pak, and even then, it would not be a sure thing. Plus it would be unethical. So I am resigned to Trump surviving senate conviction. The most we can and best that we can expect is that both the prosecution and defense cases will become public records that will sit in the US Archives forever.

I still believe that Trump will be convicted of money crimes in NY state court.

[kentuck]

7. I have never had much faith in any NY prosecutions.

He had the politicians bought off there for 40 years and they will have a hard time being unbought.

He gave all of them money for their campaigns and they gave him tax breaks and the freedom to do whatever he wanted.

I wish I was more positive about NY but they had all those years and did nothing.

[BlueTsunami2018]

8. I really don't understand all this talk of "death throes" and "saving themselves".

They aren’t going anywhere, their support isn’t going anywhere. If there was an election tomorrow it would again be a toss up. Most of their base are really as crazy, stupid and evil as Тяцмр and his ilk. The elected GOP are scared to death to cross these people because that’s not just the party base, it’s practically the whole of the party. They literally can’t do the right thing or they’ll lose their seats to people even worse than they. We’re in the last stage of elected Republicans who gave lip service and played the crazies for votes. The party is now electing those people for real. And they aren’t going away or being forced back into their corners or under their rocks. And when they regain power, and don’t think for a second they won’t, what we’ve seen so far will look pleasant.

This is why people like Joe Manchin playing these stupid games like things are how they used to be is so dangerous. If President Biden can’t do anything to help people, we’re out in ‘22. And then forget about the country. The bad guys are set up to win the long game.

We dodged a bullet by ousting Тяцмр, but they’re sitting in a machine gun nest with a ton more coming at us. We have to be perfect to avoid a fatal hit and there are people on “our” side making it much more difficult. I still feel we’re in as much trouble as we were a couple months ago. This is our very last chance to get out of it.

[kentuck]

10. I feel your urgency.

And if there was an election tomorrow, you would probably be right.

But, over two or four years, I do not think they can maintain this insanity.

I think the American people as a whole, will turn on them.

If this is our "last chance" to get out of it, how do we get out of it?

[BlueTsunami2018]

24. I don't see these people ever getting off the crazy train.

They’re too radicalized and there’s no way for them to come back to reality. As long as the well funded propaganda machines exist, there’s no way out of the reality that has been molded for them. And every day more and more people come on board. I think it’s far more likely that they become the norm rather than the rejected. Look at what they’re doing to any reasonable Republican. Liz Cheney, of all people, is now a RINO. They wanted to hang Mike Pence at the insurrection. You don’t get anymore reliably right wing than those two but they are on the outs. It’s only going to get worse.

What do we do to get out of it? Actually come through this time. Get that money in the people’s hands. Do the infrastructure. Create the jobs. Make people want to keep voting our way. I just don’t know if it’s possible. There’s always a Lieberman or a Nelson or a Manchin in the way of doing the right thing. We don’t get the benefit of the doubt. We get two years to fix problems that need ten. If we don’t do it, it’s 2010 all over again with a truly fascist opposition in control.

[Turin_C3PO]

17. Well,

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they’ve lost support since the Jan 6th incident. Biden’s approval rating is high and Trump’s last was 29%. 77% of the public wants Republicans to work with Biden. Republicans are shedding registered voters. Things are definitely going in our direction. It is true that any GOP who gets elected from here on out is going to be a radical.

[Johonny]

9. No, their base hasn't eroded enough.

They fear outing Trump will take these people to the conartist's Pity Party. If they lost 10 to 15 % it could be a blood bath in the mid-terms. The thing is, they might lose that much to the Pity Party anyways. Although, I'm not sure anyone fears Donald's ability to organize a new party. Likely the Pity Party will fail bigly.

[Hav]

11. No

Considering that recent vote about even going forward with impeachment that only had the support of 5 Repubs, then it's hard to see who else besides these 5 would be open for convicting Trump. All the other Rs wanted to stop the process due to dumb reasons.

[CentralMass]

12. I doubt it. Most have probably calculated that the decision not to convict

will not harm their chances of re election with their rabid base and monied interests that own them.

[Wednesdays]

14. Are you joking?

We'll be lucky if we keep the five defectors who voted against Rand Paul's motion!

[Johnny2X2X]

15. It's the Trump and Q Anon party now

That's their only path forward, embrace the crazy, because without the crazy they cease to exist.

It's pretty simple really, you have about 30% of Republican voters who are sane, and 70% who are insane, you can't go after the 30%, you have no choice but to play the numbers.

[LeftInTX]

18. No, their party is not in death throes....

It is alive and well....

[lame54]

19. Ask Liz Cheney

[Stuart G]

21. Yes, Anything is Possible..

...Depends on GOP Leadership. If it truly realizes that this is "Death to The GOP" it will find those 17
votes. But, that realization depends on one word, "Truth." If leadership honestly evaluates what has
happened and conveys that evaluation to their Senators, then they will find 17.
....It seems that McConnell may be seeing the "Truth." He is not enough. But we will all be watching.

"Who knows what evil lurks within the hearts of men? ...The Shadow Knows"

[Silent3]

22. Oh, I think they think they don't mind "hitch[ing] their wagon to something so grotesque"...

...at all because Republicans are prepared to do grotesque things themselves to try to make Biden and the Democrats fail.

Republicans have no desire to do good, only to maintain power. They figure (perhaps even correctly so) that no matter how bad their odds of survival are while hitched to Trump, the odds are worse if they cast Trump aside.

I'd like to think that there was just enough character left in a few of these Republicans to take the hit they'll take if they oppose Trump, admit that the election wasn't stolen, renounce MTG and the like, etc., for the good of the country. Especially the good of the country vs. a long shot (questionable odds at least) at keeping power by sticking with Trump.

Based on the vote already taken about whether continuing with the impeachment trial is constitutional (and it clearly is), there are likely no more than 5 Republican Senators with a modicum of decency.

The rest would rather stick with Trump, put maximum effort into sabotaging and demonizing Democrats, and the next chance at power they get, doing even more to stack the deck in their favor and once more try to lock in Republican power for good.

[Demsrule86]

23. The short and accurate answer is NO.

[Sienna86]

25. Some will not show up. It's 2/3 of those present.

Maybe we’ll only need 8 or 9.

[theneworiginal]

26. This is their "out."

They should LIHOP. Make a splash that they are "not going to show up for this charade." Feign outrage (like usual) and then let the numbers convict tRump. As long as The Don is still a threat, they will be dealing with division.

In the end, it will work for the Dems for tRump to divide these assholes. Moderates are leaving the party in droves, and the exposure of the Grand Treason Scheme is going to force even more to come to terms with the harsh reality.