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halfulglas

(1,654 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:09 AM Feb 2021

"I was allowed to believe." Why did she say it this way?

Notice the weird phrasing by MTG. She takes no responsibility for even what she says she believed. She was allowed to believe. Like she would never have had those weird beliefs except by accident or something. This wasn't really her? If she disavows it now, what does she really believe? That phrasing really bothers me.

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"I was allowed to believe." Why did she say it this way? (Original Post) halfulglas Feb 2021 OP
Antifa made me do it! dchill Feb 2021 #1
It's weasel words. Word salad with the specific Phoenix61 Feb 2021 #2
Passive voice. Same as "mistakes were made" SoonerPride Feb 2021 #3
Passive voice was absolutely deliberate. ShazzieB Feb 2021 #26
Yes, "allowed to believe" PatSeg Feb 2021 #36
We logical lefties really have a hard time understanding the illogic of the reTHUGS. abqtommy Feb 2021 #4
Implication: not my fault. Passive voice. Mistakes were made. eppur_se_muova Feb 2021 #5
As well it should bother...us. SkeezerRedux Feb 2021 #6
Welcome to our DU family. niyad Feb 2021 #10
It's their fault because they allowed it. lunatica Feb 2021 #7
Remember Flip Wilson and "the devil made me do it." badhair77 Feb 2021 #8
Narcissists I_UndergroundPanther Feb 2021 #9
Yes. n/t Eyeball_Kid Feb 2021 #14
I assume she must mean 'by my mommy and daddy, when I was a little girl' mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #11
I saw a video clip today of Greene. Eyeball_Kid Feb 2021 #18
Heard about that. That's totally normal behavior for a grownup woman mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #20
Gross! ShazzieB Feb 2021 #23
There is a perfectly logical, benign explanation for her behavior in this instance. retread Feb 2021 #38
This was in the long-distant past of 2018 muriel_volestrangler Feb 2021 #30
Great synopsis :) mr_lebowski Feb 2021 #33
Because she represents the party of "personal responsibility"? Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2021 #12
Greene is looking more like a sociopath Eyeball_Kid Feb 2021 #13
From what I've been reading about her from Ilsa Feb 2021 #19
+1 area51 Feb 2021 #37
I am the victim. KentuckyWoman Feb 2021 #15
"Why didn't anybody tell me I was crazy?" struggle4progress Feb 2021 #16
Passive speech. MTG CHOSE to believe the nonsense. Ilsa Feb 2021 #17
Gaslighting 101 Cosmocat Feb 2021 #21
Assholes like her never admit they were wrong. The wrongness is somebody else's. RockRaven Feb 2021 #22
It's been called "the past exonerative tense" Denzil_DC Feb 2021 #24
Recall how she said what she was looking at online (Qanon conspiracy theories) were things she was Solly Mack Feb 2021 #25
If she's so weak and susceptible to such things kskiska Feb 2021 #27
Her crazy arse let her believe it. CentralMass Feb 2021 #28
Very peculiar word choice. 3catwoman3 Feb 2021 #29
Blame shifting. moondust Feb 2021 #31
I have always Karma13612 Feb 2021 #32
Willy Geist asked if her Mommy and Daddy allowed her to believe that stuff. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #34
God is in control. nt wiggs Feb 2021 #35

Phoenix61

(16,994 posts)
2. It's weasel words. Word salad with the specific
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:14 AM
Feb 2021

intent to absolve oneself of any responsibility for action or inaction.

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
3. Passive voice. Same as "mistakes were made"
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:15 AM
Feb 2021

Takes no ownership of actually believing the insane crap.

No responsibility.

Passing the buck.

She was allowed to believe things which places the onus on some outside “other” that did this to her.

It is utter bullshit.

ShazzieB

(16,288 posts)
26. Passive voice was absolutely deliberate.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:54 AM
Feb 2021

"Allowed to believe" may have been an accidental poor choice of words. Maybe she was thinking "led to believe" but said the wrong word. It definitely sounded weird.

Using the passive voice, however, was no accident. Not. At. All.

PatSeg

(47,285 posts)
36. Yes, "allowed to believe"
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 11:06 AM
Feb 2021

really made no sense. It implies that someone in authority gave her permission to believe something. I agree that she was probably trying to say, "led to believe", as if somehow that would absolve her of responsibility. But of course being an adult, she was "allowed to believe" or disbelieve the nuttery she read online.

In the end, she did not really apologize and obviously she is not sorry at all. It was all this conspiracy theory talk that got her elected. She is just "regretting" that it cost her committee assignments.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
4. We logical lefties really have a hard time understanding the illogic of the reTHUGS.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:16 AM
Feb 2021

As far as I'm concerned that's a normal situation.

eppur_se_muova

(36,247 posts)
5. Implication: not my fault. Passive voice. Mistakes were made.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:17 AM
Feb 2021

In fact, I'm kind of the victim here, when you think about it.

i.e., the usual RepublAnon self-pity persecution playbook.

 

SkeezerRedux

(94 posts)
6. As well it should bother...us.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:17 AM
Feb 2021

It's as close to taking personal responsibility as someone who likes to tout that as one of their endearing qualities can get to taking personal responsibility without actually taking any personal responsibility.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,462 posts)
9. Narcissists
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:21 AM
Feb 2021

Never will take responsibility

Unless they are forced to.

They believe they can do no wrong. So to keep that delusion alive they avoid taking responsibility for thier actions for thier whole life.

We need to make Narcissism very uncomfortable for narcissists and make them be responsible and to pay personally for what they do. Give it to them with no mercy or tolerance with no way out of it.

No more coddling these career assholes.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
11. I assume she must mean 'by my mommy and daddy, when I was a little girl'
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:27 AM
Feb 2021

Thus attempting to explain why she's now such an utter fucking dipshit as an adult.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
18. I saw a video clip today of Greene.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:38 AM
Feb 2021

She was giving a presentation to a small group of women. She dragged out a life sized cardboard photo of Trump. She then patted the shoulder of the photo image before sliding her hand up and down the crotch area.

retread

(3,761 posts)
38. There is a perfectly logical, benign explanation for her behavior in this instance.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 11:14 AM
Feb 2021

She likes mushrooms!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
30. This was in the long-distant past of 2018
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 06:04 AM
Feb 2021

when she was "upset":

“I never once said during my entire campaign, QAnon. I never once said any of the things that I am being accused of today. During my campaign, I never said any of these things since I have been elected for Congress. These were words of the past, and these things do not represent me. They do not represent my district, and they do not represent my values. Here’s the problem: Throughout 2018, because I was upset about things and didn’t trust the government really because the people here weren’t doing the things that I thought they should be doing for us, the things that I just told you I cared about. And I want you to know a lot of Americans don’t trust our government, and that’s sad. The problem with that is, though, is I was allowed to believe things that weren’t true. And I would ask questions, questions about them and talk about them. And that is absolutely what I regret because if it weren’t for the Facebook post and comments that I liked in 2018, I wouldn’t be standing here today. And you couldn’t point a finger, and accuse me of anything wrong.”

https://www.newsamed.com/house-debate-over-punishment-for-marjorie-taylor-greene/

So she wants us to believe that she was highly gullible and easily led in 2018, but that's not her fault, and although she was already in her 40s and running a business, she was psychologically still a child, but has matured to such an extent in 2 years that she should now sit on the House Education Committee. And her activities in 2017 on conspiracy sites, when "the government" and "people here" were all Republicans, most sitting next to here now, are somehow irrelevant.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
33. Great synopsis :)
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 10:54 AM
Feb 2021

I was only saying that the only possible way a statement like "I was allowed to believe ..." would even remotely make sense was if the context was her upbringing from childhood, wherein she was explaining her continued poor judgement in discerning fact from fiction.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,429 posts)
13. Greene is looking more like a sociopath
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:31 AM
Feb 2021

with each passing day. She also shows narcissistic tendencies in the Trumpian vein.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
19. From what I've been reading about her from
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:39 AM
Feb 2021

her constituents, that's an accurate assessment.

She's loving this attention. The only thing worse would be for her to be recalled by her district. Then she'd be available to run around for trump and ramp up the Q people, neonazis, etc.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
17. Passive speech. MTG CHOSE to believe the nonsense.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:35 AM
Feb 2021

She isn't taqing responsibility. Typiqal republiqan.

RockRaven

(14,913 posts)
22. Assholes like her never admit they were wrong. The wrongness is somebody else's.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:40 AM
Feb 2021

The phrasing she used should bother you. It should bother EVERYBODY (but it won't).

Denzil_DC

(7,222 posts)
24. It's been called "the past exonerative tense"
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:45 AM
Feb 2021

It's often seen in reporting of events like "officer-involved shootings".

This blog post below is among many writings that have examined this linguistic phenomenon.

It cites two examples of constructions describing the same event:


I made a mistake (active voice).
Mistakes were made (passive voice).

In the second sentence above, who was responsible for the mistake? We don't know. Use of the passive voice in this case allows the speaker to admit that something went wrong without admitting who was responsible. For this reason, use of the passive voice in admitting wrongdoing has been called the "past exonerative tense," and is much beloved of politicians and celebrities who find it necessary to sort of apologize for something without actually doing so.

https://bilbosrandomthoughts.blogspot.com/2014/07/past-exonerative.html

Solly Mack

(90,758 posts)
25. Recall how she said what she was looking at online (Qanon conspiracy theories) were things she was
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:46 AM
Feb 2021

also hearing on the news (Fox).

She even said CNN but CNN was not backing any of the Qanon bullshit.

That goes to her meaning behind what she was saying by claiming she was "allowed to believe"?

She is claiming the media never told her any different.

Which is a lie unless all you listened to was Fox, News-max, and OAN. Which she did.

So if no one told her any different, then they "allowed" her to believe it.

Absolutely no responsibility for her own actions. Her own self-built echo chamber. Her own choices. Her willing participation in the bullshit and her enthusiastic spreading of the bullshit.

IF she viewed CNN or MSNBC at all, it was to get so-called examples of "fake news" to share with her online cohorts.

She also blamed government. Claiming she didn't trust government - which would mean she didn't trust Trump since he was the government at the time. (dates she gave 2017, 2018)

What she really meant by that was she didn't trust the so-called "deep state". Which takes her right back to her anti-Semitic, lizard people, pedophile, blood drinking cabal Qanon bullshit.

Everything she said today by way of mitigation was complete bullshit. Nothing but her lying.





Karma13612

(4,544 posts)
32. I have always
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 08:08 AM
Feb 2021

Believed that people elected to public office needed to be of high caliber. I was wrong. We are being represented, in SOME cases, by the very worst among us.

Except for being a bit older and not quite as quick as I used to be, I would love to represent my district in Washington. I could do a darn sight better job than Elusive Elise NY-21. Just need gobs of $$$$

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