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I'm seeing a number of posts lamenting the fact that Keystone XL was uncanceled as part of the vote-a-rama last night.
To be fair, I'm not surprised that that's the quick takeaway after glancing at some of the headlines on this. Take Newsweek's for example:
Senate Backs Keystone XL Pipeline As Two Democrats Split with Joe Biden
That sounds bad! But if you read the article, here's what it says:
As senators were forced to vote on hundreds of amendments to the budget resolution that would launch the reconciliation process, Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT) put forward an amendment backing the Keystone XL pipeline.
The Republican's amendment called for a fund to be established to improve U.S.-Canada relations over the Keystone XL pipeline, weeks after President Biden revoked the project's federal permit and put thousands of jobs at risk.
So, that's what the amendment does. Establishes a fund to improve U.S.-Canada relations. That's it.
The next paragraph starts:
Someone in the linked thread above also pointed out that this amendment didn't even make it into the final package.
So it sounds like much ado about nothing. Am I right?
for the nuance.
DarthDem
(5,255 posts)I can't link right now, but The Hill among others clearly indicates that the amendment was stripped out and was not part of the successfully passed resolution. It was just a stunt and it's not coming back.
By the way it's not even clear how Congress can "reverse" this EO. What Biden did was deny the construction permit, a presidential function. Congress can't just override that.
Fullduplexxx
(7,853 posts)Celerity
(43,294 posts)Ferrets are Cool
(21,105 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Much appreciated explanation.
panader0
(25,816 posts)niyad
(113,239 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,028 posts)Its mostly symbolic to Republicans, they dont really care about this pipeline, they almost want to continue to destroy the environment as a matter of principle.
Cozmo
(1,402 posts)DonaldsRump
(7,715 posts)Good folks here who are much smarter than me correctly explain things!
Thanks, EarlG.
Traildogbob
(8,709 posts)Believe Bidens EPA may have a say in the pipelines Environmental Impact.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)I was really upset reading what appeared to be a reversal of Joe's recent action to stop this horrid project!
yardwork
(61,588 posts)Firestorm49
(4,031 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,634 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)A shame actually.
TheRickles
(2,056 posts)Karma13612
(4,552 posts)I read somewhere it was Manchin and Tester.
Correction appreciated and welcomed!
msfiddlestix
(7,275 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)ananda
(28,856 posts)I feel better now.
marble falls
(57,067 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,228 posts)EarlG, I appreciate your taking a more active role in posting on GD.
Since we often have problems with stories and mistakes like this which sometimes get posted repeatedly even after they've been debunked, I wonder whether there's scope for making a post like this a sticky for a few days, or even setting up another admin-post forum for debunked stories that people can refer to?
I appreciate that you admins are probably as fallible as many of us at times and have other drains on your time and energy, so it would be understandable if you didn't want do this.
mountain grammy
(26,614 posts)and my blood pressure thanks you..
BobTheSubgenius
(11,562 posts)A fund to improve US-Canada relations is not a bad thing, but you have already vastly improved those relations by electing Joe Biden. Put the money where there is more need of it.
CaptainTruth
(6,583 posts)...that was one of my biggest objections to the Keystone XL deal.
It seems like most people (& the media) missed it, but the Keystone XL deal used Federal eminent domain to take land away from private US citizens & give it to a foreign (Canadian) corporation. IMHO that's absolutely wrong, it's an abuse of the power of eminent domain.
Even worse, that foreign corporation had no obligation to clean up spills or otherwise mitigate hazards or damage on the land it was given rights to.
I don't care if the pipeline was carrying whipped cream, taking land rights away from American citizens & giving them to private foreign corporations is just wrong wrong wrong.
backtoblue
(11,343 posts)CaptainTruth
(6,583 posts)Danada
(3 posts)While I totally understand the need to move away from oil and to sustainable energy sources, I have a hard time understanding the push against Keystone XL.
Oil is going to move from its source to its needed location. Whether it's from Venezuela or UAE or Canada. Why, as progressives, don't we want to see the least impact on our environment and the most financial impact for our country? While oil spills are absolutely horrible, they're just as horrible in the sea as on land (we could argue worse). Also, what happens to the money that is paid to foreign governments? What laws do those governments enforce? How can we be more environmental and progressive across the entire value chain?
I trust and align, from a value standpoint, more with Canada than the other oil producing nations. Why make it harder to buy from them and easier to buy from overseas?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,320 posts)marble falls
(57,067 posts)... This has not a fucking thing with Canada's opportunities in oil buying and selling oil. Canada owns the oil, they want to pay us to refine their poisonous shit.
Try reading up on this.
Danada
(3 posts)How about you address my point rather than swearing?
What are your thoughts on America paying dictators, human rights violators and drug cartel funded governments for their oil? How about their history on environmental damage?
Isn't the point to directionally change for the better? Or are you just interested in maintaining the status quo?
marble falls
(57,067 posts)... a generous notion by concerned Canadians to supply a needy US market. It is about paying some US corporations on the Texas Gulf Coast to clean toxins out of tar sand oil processes Canadian law prevents from being used in Canada.
G*d bless Canada and all Canadians, but tar sands should be left in Canada.
Spazito
(50,269 posts)well said.
marble falls
(57,067 posts)... and each other from corporate greed in all its forms.
Spazito
(50,269 posts)and oil and gas companies are among the worst of the lot, imo.
marble falls
(57,067 posts)Response to marble falls (Reply #39)
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BumRushDaShow
(128,778 posts)The 2018 article that you reference made an attempt to give perspective to what was a "brief" (1-week) phenomena at the time.
A year after your article was published, your same source - Forbes - published an updated one - https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2019/11/26/making-history-us-exports-more-petroleum-than-it-imports-in-september-and-october/?sh=49bf8a095f3b
Making History: U.S. Exports More Petroleum Than It Imports In September and October
Ariel Cohen Contributor
Energy
I cover energy, security, Europe, Russia/Eurasia & the Middle East
Reports of the death of U.S. shale have been greatly exaggerated.
In its latest Short Term Energy Outlook, the US Energy Information Agency (EIA) published preliminary data that, once confirmed, would represent a turning point in American energy history.
Not only did the United States reach a record-breaking 12.8 million barrels per day (bpd) of oil production in November a new high watermark for the industry the country achieved something yet more impressive: in the month of September, the United States exported more petroleum products than it imported. If verified in survey-collected monthly data, it would be the first time (in a month-long period) that the United States sold more petroleum than it purchased abroad since EIA records began in 1949.
For the worlds leading oil buyer this is a big deal. America consumes just over 20% of the globes 99 million bpd of daily crude production, with China holding the number 2 spot at 13% and India in a distant 3rd at 5%. Americas voracious appetite for oil has always been a strategic Achilles heel, with that vulnerability put on display for the world to see during the 1973 Oil Crisis. A chronic hypersensitivity to oil supply crunches and price volatility helped shape US foreign policy it is the driving force behind our partnership with the historic oil market maker Saudi Arabia, the reason the US Navys 5th Fleet patrols the critical choke points of the Gulf (the Strait of Hormuz), the Suez Canal and the Strait of Bab al Mandeb the southern entrance to the Red Sea.
The below then updates the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020 -
monthly total petroleum net trade
Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Petroleum Supply Monthly
Updated February 6, 2020 at 5:00 p.m. to correct Rocky Mountain petroleum net trade in the first figure.
In November 2019, the United States exported 772,000 barrels per day (b/d) more petroleum (crude oil and petroleum products) than it imported, marking the third consecutive month in which the United States was a net petroleum exporter. Although the United States is a net petroleum exporter as a whole, most regions other than the U.S. Gulf Coast region remain net petroleum importers.
Net petroleum trade is calculated as the total imports of crude oil and petroleum products minus the total exports of crude oil and petroleum products. In September 2019, the United States became a net petroleum exporter for the first time since monthly records began in 1973.
The United States is a net importer of crude oil. In November 2019, the latest monthly data, it imported 5.8 million b/d of crude oil and exported 3.0 million b/d of crude oil. The United States is a net exporter of petroleum products (such as distillate fuel, motor gasoline, and jet fuel). In November 2019, the United States exported 5.8 million b/d of petroleum products and imported 2.2 million b/d of petroleum products.
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=42735
Fast-forwarding to the end of 2020 - the below summarized much of the past year as of a December 2020 report, there was a sustained 7-month period of net export, a 2 month period net import, and then back to net export -
https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46076
The past year's pandemic, along with the brief but devastating (for the oil industry) oil price war that resulted in an oil glut, has caused the entire industry (including the U.S.) to attempt to adjust to the glut by capping some wells and shutting down some operations. So it remains to be seen how this all plays out in the coming months.
"Progressives" continue to encourage the world's move away from fossil fuels because climate change is REAL and there is no "progressive goal" that promotes the use and transport of more of it.
2020 was declared statistically tied for the hottest year on record. The Arctic sea ice reached a level that was the 2nd lowest on record (and included a mind-boggling 100F temp in a Siberian town located within the Arctic circle).
Instead of insulting people who are replying, why not take a step back and do some more research. Canada is apparently loathe to run their pipeline west across their provinces and out to the Pacific for shipping, why? (answer - against THEIR laws)
marble falls
(57,067 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,778 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,778 posts)there is an oil glut to the point where they have no place to store it. This was due not only to the pandemic cutting travel by upwards of 80% the past year, but also by 2 idiotic countries (Saudi Arabia and Russia) who decided to get into an "oil price/trade war" by pumping out as much as they could, as fast as they could, last spring, much to the chagrin of OPEC and others.
And what Canada (and North Dakota and a handful of other states) are doing is not just "pumping oil" out of the ground. They are actually "extracting" it from rock, which involves the use of massive amounts of solvents to bring it to the surface and then process it. That solvent has been found to seep into the ground water/water tables and ultimately into any nearby wells on the property of those who use well water. And in a number of places, notably Oklahoma and Ohio, there have been swarms of earthquakes confirmed to have been due to fracking activity. Between the shale oil and shale gas, you have all kinds of stability issues happening both underground and above ground -
Meanwhile parts of that pipeline would be running through sacred land of Native Americans. It might seem "far away" to the average person and is not "in their backyards" but it would be going through theirs.
It's past time to start the weening off process.
crickets
(25,960 posts)FakeNoose
(32,620 posts)This deserves its own OP, BumRush
Nocturnowl
(74 posts)I mean, it's not like we have plenty of time.
nam78_two
(14,529 posts)Thanks BumRushDaShow! There are so many environmental catastrophes out there it is hard to follow all of them.
Withywindle
(9,988 posts)And they have made it VERY CLEAR that they don't want it. Native sovereignty and treaty rights must be honored. If they say no, it means no.
WarGamer
(12,427 posts)Last nights readers could have assumed that Construction would commence again shortly...
BGBD
(3,282 posts)in its ability to see something, not understand it, and become outraged.
TwilightZone
(25,456 posts)I'll use the pink hat terrorist as a (silly) example. Even after it was determined that it was not Boebert's mom (a silly assumption to begin with -- the FBI would know if it was her or not), there were still hundreds of posts insisting that it was.
FakeNoose
(32,620 posts)Hekate
(90,633 posts)I wonder if were all getting a version of decompression sickness because of normal people being back in charge after so much madness.
Cha
(297,123 posts)nam78_two
(14,529 posts)I agree with others upthread who said that this is why they visit DU.