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EarlG

(21,942 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 09:41 AM Feb 2021

Um, Keystone XL is still canceled

I'm seeing a number of posts lamenting the fact that Keystone XL was uncanceled as part of the vote-a-rama last night.

To be fair, I'm not surprised that that's the quick takeaway after glancing at some of the headlines on this. Take Newsweek's for example:

Senate Backs Keystone XL Pipeline As Two Democrats Split with Joe Biden

That sounds bad! But if you read the article, here's what it says:

The Senate backed the Keystone XL pipeline in a Thursday night marathon vote, as two Democratic lawmakers broke with President Joe Biden to vote for a GOP amendment supporting the energy project.

As senators were forced to vote on hundreds of amendments to the budget resolution that would launch the reconciliation process, Sen. Steve Daines (R-MT) put forward an amendment backing the Keystone XL pipeline.

The Republican's amendment called for a fund to be established to improve U.S.-Canada relations over the Keystone XL pipeline, weeks after President Biden revoked the project's federal permit and put thousands of jobs at risk.

So, that's what the amendment does. Establishes a fund to improve U.S.-Canada relations. That's it.

The next paragraph starts:

Senators backed the symbolic amendment in a 52-48 vote...

Someone in the linked thread above also pointed out that this amendment didn't even make it into the final package.

So it sounds like much ado about nothing. Am I right?
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Um, Keystone XL is still canceled (Original Post) EarlG Feb 2021 OP
KnR Hugin Feb 2021 #1
Yes, You're Right DarthDem Feb 2021 #2
Thank you for that clarification.... excuse me while I go delete some posts ... Fullduplexxx Feb 2021 #3
thank you for the further information Celerity Feb 2021 #4
Thank you. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2021 #5
Thank you. Mike 03 Feb 2021 #6
Thanks for the clarification. panader0 Feb 2021 #7
Thank you for the clarification, EarlG. Saves me several outraged, but incorrect, phone calls. niyad Feb 2021 #8
Excellent. Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #9
Clear and factual data rules, Thanks EarlG Cozmo Feb 2021 #10
This is why I come to DU DonaldsRump Feb 2021 #11
Also, I Traildogbob Feb 2021 #12
Thanks PatSeg Feb 2021 #13
Thank you! SheltieLover Feb 2021 #14
Thank you! yardwork Feb 2021 #15
Thank Earl. The last thing we want is "fake news". 😆 Firestorm49 Feb 2021 #16
Jumping to conclusions and running off half cocked is our only form of excercise sometimes... Wounded Bear Feb 2021 #17
So true. cwydro Feb 2021 #44
Thanks for the clarification. Any idea who the two Dems were who switched over? TheRickles Feb 2021 #18
?? I thought Karma13612 Feb 2021 #54
Factual clarifications much appreciated. Thank You! msfiddlestix Feb 2021 #19
talk radio has been and will keep attacking her and 3 Ga unis support 14 limbaugh stations certainot Feb 2021 #20
Thank you! ananda Feb 2021 #21
You're right, but the smell of burning hair be again in the air shortly. marble falls Feb 2021 #22
That's good to hear. Denzil_DC Feb 2021 #23
Thank you.. mountain grammy Feb 2021 #24
A small point brought up in this thread. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #25
Using eminent domain to give private land to a foreign corporation... CaptainTruth Feb 2021 #26
+1 nt backtoblue Feb 2021 #28
And THANK YOU for clarifying that!!! CaptainTruth Feb 2021 #27
Kick dalton99a Feb 2021 #29
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2021 #30
Why not support Keystone? Danada Feb 2021 #31
The processing of tar sands is destroying arboreal forests and indigenous people. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #32
Why won't Canadian laws allow the Canadians to refine the enviromental crap that is tar sand? ... marble falls Feb 2021 #33
And your thoughts on Canadian Oil vs Overseas? Danada Feb 2021 #34
The US is a net oil exporter. And has been for years. This is not about the US's need and ... marble falls Feb 2021 #39
This Canadian totally agrees with you... Spazito Feb 2021 #40
Canada has been a great friend of the American people, all we gotta do is protect ourselves ... marble falls Feb 2021 #42
Exactly... Spazito Feb 2021 #45
We have common enemies. And common ground. marble falls Feb 2021 #46
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #49
Your article is 2 years out of date BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #55
Thanks. There's all kind of links supporting out point. marble falls Feb 2021 #56
Exactly BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #58
Right now BumRushDaShow Feb 2021 #37
Very informative - thanks for this. nt crickets Feb 2021 #38
Great post and quite timely FakeNoose Feb 2021 #43
Agreed Nocturnowl Feb 2021 #47
Bookmarked nam78_two Feb 2021 #53
Another very important reason: the pipeline passes through Native lands Withywindle Feb 2021 #57
Yeah, amazing how fast disinformation spreads... WarGamer Feb 2021 #35
This place can be toxic BGBD Feb 2021 #36
And continue to be outraged after proof to the contrary is provided. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #48
K & R Thanks! FakeNoose Feb 2021 #41
Many thanks, EarlG Hekate Feb 2021 #50
Thank You! Cha Feb 2021 #51
Thanks EarlG nam78_two Feb 2021 #52

DarthDem

(5,255 posts)
2. Yes, You're Right
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 09:48 AM
Feb 2021

I can't link right now, but The Hill among others clearly indicates that the amendment was stripped out and was not part of the successfully passed resolution. It was just a stunt and it's not coming back.

By the way it's not even clear how Congress can "reverse" this EO. What Biden did was deny the construction permit, a presidential function. Congress can't just override that.

Johnny2X2X

(19,028 posts)
9. Excellent.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 10:24 AM
Feb 2021

It’s mostly symbolic to Republicans, they don’t really care about this pipeline, they almost want to continue to destroy the environment as a matter of principle.

DonaldsRump

(7,715 posts)
11. This is why I come to DU
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 10:27 AM
Feb 2021

Good folks here who are much smarter than me correctly explain things!

Thanks, EarlG.

SheltieLover

(57,073 posts)
14. Thank you!
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 10:56 AM
Feb 2021

I was really upset reading what appeared to be a reversal of Joe's recent action to stop this horrid project!

Denzil_DC

(7,228 posts)
23. That's good to hear.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:20 PM
Feb 2021

EarlG, I appreciate your taking a more active role in posting on GD.

Since we often have problems with stories and mistakes like this which sometimes get posted repeatedly even after they've been debunked, I wonder whether there's scope for making a post like this a sticky for a few days, or even setting up another admin-post forum for debunked stories that people can refer to?

I appreciate that you admins are probably as fallible as many of us at times and have other drains on your time and energy, so it would be understandable if you didn't want do this.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,562 posts)
25. A small point brought up in this thread.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:59 PM
Feb 2021

A fund to improve US-Canada relations is not a bad thing, but you have already vastly improved those relations by electing Joe Biden. Put the money where there is more need of it.

CaptainTruth

(6,583 posts)
26. Using eminent domain to give private land to a foreign corporation...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:01 PM
Feb 2021

...that was one of my biggest objections to the Keystone XL deal.

It seems like most people (& the media) missed it, but the Keystone XL deal used Federal eminent domain to take land away from private US citizens & give it to a foreign (Canadian) corporation. IMHO that's absolutely wrong, it's an abuse of the power of eminent domain.

Even worse, that foreign corporation had no obligation to clean up spills or otherwise mitigate hazards or damage on the land it was given rights to.

I don't care if the pipeline was carrying whipped cream, taking land rights away from American citizens & giving them to private foreign corporations is just wrong wrong wrong.

 

Danada

(3 posts)
31. Why not support Keystone?
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 02:42 PM
Feb 2021

While I totally understand the need to move away from oil and to sustainable energy sources, I have a hard time understanding the push against Keystone XL.

Oil is going to move from its source to its needed location. Whether it's from Venezuela or UAE or Canada. Why, as progressives, don't we want to see the least impact on our environment and the most financial impact for our country? While oil spills are absolutely horrible, they're just as horrible in the sea as on land (we could argue worse). Also, what happens to the money that is paid to foreign governments? What laws do those governments enforce? How can we be more environmental and progressive across the entire value chain?

I trust and align, from a value standpoint, more with Canada than the other oil producing nations. Why make it harder to buy from them and easier to buy from overseas?

marble falls

(57,067 posts)
33. Why won't Canadian laws allow the Canadians to refine the enviromental crap that is tar sand? ...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 02:53 PM
Feb 2021

... This has not a fucking thing with Canada's opportunities in oil buying and selling oil. Canada owns the oil, they want to pay us to refine their poisonous shit.

Try reading up on this.

 

Danada

(3 posts)
34. And your thoughts on Canadian Oil vs Overseas?
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:01 PM
Feb 2021

How about you address my point rather than swearing?

What are your thoughts on America paying dictators, human rights violators and drug cartel funded governments for their oil? How about their history on environmental damage?

Isn't the point to directionally change for the better? Or are you just interested in maintaining the status quo?

marble falls

(57,067 posts)
39. The US is a net oil exporter. And has been for years. This is not about the US's need and ...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 05:18 PM
Feb 2021

... a generous notion by concerned Canadians to supply a needy US market. It is about paying some US corporations on the Texas Gulf Coast to clean toxins out of tar sand oil processes Canadian law prevents from being used in Canada.

G*d bless Canada and all Canadians, but tar sands should be left in Canada.

marble falls

(57,067 posts)
42. Canada has been a great friend of the American people, all we gotta do is protect ourselves ...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 05:39 PM
Feb 2021

... and each other from corporate greed in all its forms.

Response to marble falls (Reply #39)

BumRushDaShow

(128,778 posts)
55. Your article is 2 years out of date
Sat Feb 6, 2021, 07:02 AM
Feb 2021

The 2018 article that you reference made an attempt to give perspective to what was a "brief" (1-week) phenomena at the time.

A year after your article was published, your same source - Forbes - published an updated one - https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielcohen/2019/11/26/making-history-us-exports-more-petroleum-than-it-imports-in-september-and-october/?sh=49bf8a095f3b

Nov 26, 2019,09:27am EST
Making History: U.S. Exports More Petroleum Than It Imports In September and October

Ariel Cohen Contributor
Energy
I cover energy, security, Europe, Russia/Eurasia & the Middle East


Reports of the death of U.S. shale have been greatly exaggerated.

In its latest Short Term Energy Outlook, the US Energy Information Agency (EIA) published preliminary data that, once confirmed, would represent a turning point in American energy history.

Not only did the United States reach a record-breaking 12.8 million barrels per day (bpd) of oil production in November – a new high watermark for the industry – the country achieved something yet more impressive: in the month of September, the United States exported more petroleum products than it imported. If verified in survey-collected monthly data, it would be the first time (in a month-long period) that the United States sold more petroleum than it purchased abroad since EIA records began in 1949.

For the world’s leading oil buyer this is a big deal. America consumes just over 20% of the globe’s 99 million bpd of daily crude production, with China holding the number 2 spot at 13% and India in a distant 3rd at 5%. America’s voracious appetite for oil has always been a strategic Achilles’ heel, with that vulnerability put on display for the world to see during the 1973 Oil Crisis. A chronic hypersensitivity to oil supply crunches and price volatility helped shape US foreign policy – it is the driving force behind our partnership with the historic oil market maker Saudi Arabia, the reason the US Navy’s 5th Fleet patrols the critical choke points of the Gulf (the Strait of Hormuz), the Suez Canal and the Strait of Bab al Mandeb – the southern entrance to the Red Sea.


The below then updates the end of 2019 and beginning of 2020 -

Despite the U.S. becoming a net petroleum exporter, most regions are still net importers
monthly total petroleum net trade


Source: U.S. Energy Information Administration, Petroleum Supply Monthly

Updated February 6, 2020 at 5:00 p.m. to correct Rocky Mountain petroleum net trade in the first figure.



In November 2019, the United States exported 772,000 barrels per day (b/d) more petroleum (crude oil and petroleum products) than it imported, marking the third consecutive month in which the United States was a net petroleum exporter. Although the United States is a net petroleum exporter as a whole, most regions other than the U.S. Gulf Coast region remain net petroleum importers.

Net petroleum trade is calculated as the total imports of crude oil and petroleum products minus the total exports of crude oil and petroleum products. In September 2019, the United States became a net petroleum exporter for the first time since monthly records began in 1973.

The United States is a net importer of crude oil. In November 2019, the latest monthly data, it imported 5.8 million b/d of crude oil and exported 3.0 million b/d of crude oil. The United States is a net exporter of petroleum products (such as distillate fuel, motor gasoline, and jet fuel). In November 2019, the United States exported 5.8 million b/d of petroleum products and imported 2.2 million b/d of petroleum products.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=42735


Fast-forwarding to the end of 2020 - the below summarized much of the past year as of a December 2020 report, there was a sustained 7-month period of net export, a 2 month period net import, and then back to net export -

The United States imported more crude oil and petroleum products than it exported in May and June of this year, briefly reversing the country’s 15-year-long trend toward becoming a net petroleum exporter. After being a net petroleum exporter for seven consecutive months from October 2019 through April 2020, the United States became a net importer, and U.S. net petroleum imports averaged 939,000 barrels per day (b/d) in May and 675,000 b/d in June. On an annual basis, U.S. net imports of petroleum have fallen from a high of 12.5 million b/d in 2005 to 0.7 million b/d in 2019.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=46076


The past year's pandemic, along with the brief but devastating (for the oil industry) oil price war that resulted in an oil glut, has caused the entire industry (including the U.S.) to attempt to adjust to the glut by capping some wells and shutting down some operations. So it remains to be seen how this all plays out in the coming months.

"Progressives" continue to encourage the world's move away from fossil fuels because climate change is REAL and there is no "progressive goal" that promotes the use and transport of more of it.

2020 was declared statistically tied for the hottest year on record. The Arctic sea ice reached a level that was the 2nd lowest on record (and included a mind-boggling 100F temp in a Siberian town located within the Arctic circle).

Instead of insulting people who are replying, why not take a step back and do some more research. Canada is apparently loathe to run their pipeline west across their provinces and out to the Pacific for shipping, why? (answer - against THEIR laws)

BumRushDaShow

(128,778 posts)
37. Right now
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:22 PM
Feb 2021

there is an oil glut to the point where they have no place to store it. This was due not only to the pandemic cutting travel by upwards of 80% the past year, but also by 2 idiotic countries (Saudi Arabia and Russia) who decided to get into an "oil price/trade war" by pumping out as much as they could, as fast as they could, last spring, much to the chagrin of OPEC and others.

And what Canada (and North Dakota and a handful of other states) are doing is not just "pumping oil" out of the ground. They are actually "extracting" it from rock, which involves the use of massive amounts of solvents to bring it to the surface and then process it. That solvent has been found to seep into the ground water/water tables and ultimately into any nearby wells on the property of those who use well water. And in a number of places, notably Oklahoma and Ohio, there have been swarms of earthquakes confirmed to have been due to fracking activity. Between the shale oil and shale gas, you have all kinds of stability issues happening both underground and above ground -





Meanwhile parts of that pipeline would be running through sacred land of Native Americans. It might seem "far away" to the average person and is not "in their backyards" but it would be going through theirs.

It's past time to start the weening off process.

nam78_two

(14,529 posts)
53. Bookmarked
Sat Feb 6, 2021, 04:07 AM
Feb 2021

Thanks BumRushDaShow! There are so many environmental catastrophes out there it is hard to follow all of them.

Withywindle

(9,988 posts)
57. Another very important reason: the pipeline passes through Native lands
Sat Feb 6, 2021, 05:13 PM
Feb 2021

And they have made it VERY CLEAR that they don't want it. Native sovereignty and treaty rights must be honored. If they say no, it means no.

WarGamer

(12,427 posts)
35. Yeah, amazing how fast disinformation spreads...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:09 PM
Feb 2021

Last nights readers could have assumed that Construction would commence again shortly...

 

BGBD

(3,282 posts)
36. This place can be toxic
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:11 PM
Feb 2021

in its ability to see something, not understand it, and become outraged.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
48. And continue to be outraged after proof to the contrary is provided.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 10:26 PM
Feb 2021

I'll use the pink hat terrorist as a (silly) example. Even after it was determined that it was not Boebert's mom (a silly assumption to begin with -- the FBI would know if it was her or not), there were still hundreds of posts insisting that it was.

Hekate

(90,633 posts)
50. Many thanks, EarlG
Sat Feb 6, 2021, 03:23 AM
Feb 2021

I wonder if we’re all getting a version of decompression sickness because of normal people being back in charge after so much madness.

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