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Initech

(100,068 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 11:13 AM Feb 2021

Myanmar - Don't think for a minute that it can't happen here.

Why? Because we may laugh at the Q crazies. We can mock at them and publicly shame them all we want to. And they absolutely deserve every single bit of it. Q Anon fantasizes about overthrowing the government. About declaring martial law nation wide. About having military tribunals for those who dare speak against the cult. It all sounds crazy and ridiculous and you can tell yourself that it can't happen here all you want.

Or can it? If you're not paying attention to what is happening in Myanmar right now, you absolutely should. It's literally the epitome of right wing social media rhetoric gone berserk and taken to absolute extremes. By now it should be evident that Facebook and social media played a huge part in allowing the military in Myanmar to take over a democratically elected administration and install a totalitarian fascist regime. If you look at the parallels between what Myanmar is going through, and Q Anon's wildest fantasies, they're not that much different. It's the same package with a different name.

And if you think it can't happen here, look at what is happening. The rhetoric being spewed on right wing radio, podcasts, and right wing news outlets like Fox News, Newsmax, and OAN is getting louder and way more toxic. People in general are getting meaner, nastier, ruder and cruder to each other. And if someone doesn't like something, they go off and start their own version of that thing. Look at what happened to Fox News when they actually had to play by the rules. The conservatives went completely apeshit.

Want to draw the comparisons between Myanmar's far right military and Q Anon? Let's take a look at what Q Anon people actually believe in. They believe in executing their opponents. They believe in a military takeover of the government. They believe in installing a president who they feel was "annointed by god" and not democratically elected in a fair and free election. They believe in having nationwide martial law. They believe in rewriting the rules for education. They believe in having military style tribunals for anyone who dares to question what the cult is doing. All of this is happening in Myanmar right now and it is absolutely terrifying.

What makes this even worse? Look at the far right extremist groups. We were literally a hair away from them walking into the capital and slaughtering all of our elected officials. Aided by a president who encouraged them and paid for by shady internet sources and podcast shock jocks. Instead all they did was loot the place and literally throw their feces on the walls. But this could happen again and the next time they could succeed. Conservatives are turning up the self-victimization up way past 11.

Look at the current situation with Marjorie Taylor Greene. She's a batshit crazy, extremely racist conservative who has made death threats against her opponents. Who in her spare time, moderated a Facebook group where racist memes and death threats were regular features. And Greene only got elected because her opponent got some of these death threats and dropped out of the race because he feared for his life! In fact, she only won the election because her opponent got death threats and dropped out of the race! And not only that, when asked to apologize - she completely refuses and doubles and triples down on her toxic rhetoric.

And when she gets called out on it, she makes herself into a hapless victim. Which is exactly what the bullies and abusers of the world do. "Oh these people aren't hating me because I'm a racist conspiracy theorist who threatens to murder leaders. They hate me because I'm a white, Christian, wife, mother, and business leader who worships Jesus!". That's all they are. Except in this case, they're bullies with lots of guns and extremely dangerous far right propaganda encourages them. These people apologize for nothing, and they're applauded by those who think like them for it. All abusers have their enablers and Marjorie Greene is no different.

Make no mistake - the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers are mobilizing and militarizing. The toxic rhetoric is getting turned up to levels that wouldn't register on a decibel meter. If Trump ran again or someone who is super far right who recognizes these groups exist ran, they could have an election and campaign cycle with their own private army. That may be about as paranoid a thought as it gets, but we cannot just sit quietly. This is why Trump must be stopped and prevented from running again, because he could do some serious damage if given a second term. The battle that was the 2020 election was won, and it was a sweet one, but the war is far from over. The craziest among us got their foot in the door with this Congress and don't expect them to stop or slow down when the midterms come along. Q Anon is a virus and it is mutating quickly and we must stop it before it is too late.

But if you think it can't happen here, don't. We're getting a preview of their wildest, wild eyed fantasies out in the open for the whole world to see. It's happening in Myanmar. Don't think that it can't happen here. Because by the time that you could see that, it may be too late. Lewis Sinclair wrote about it, and Frank Zappa sang it "It can't happen here, I'm telling you my dear, it can't happen here." It could and it's possible.

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Myanmar - Don't think for a minute that it can't happen here. (Original Post) Initech Feb 2021 OP
We were lucky it was dumb dumb trDump. magicarpet Feb 2021 #1
Military refused to go along with the coup Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #4
TFL;DR- Martial law is not the same as a military coup Fiendish Thingy Feb 2021 #2
I think it's not as high of a threshold Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #5
It's going to take a long time to learn everything that went down at the Capitol. Initech Feb 2021 #8
The Capitol riot wasn't the coup attempt Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #10
I understand what you're saying Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #3
Yeah I might be too paranoid about this. Initech Feb 2021 #6
They could, you're right. Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #7
Yup, Q Anon is a virus and it is mutating. Initech Feb 2021 #9
Yes, it can happen here, but... BarackTheVote Feb 2021 #11

magicarpet

(14,145 posts)
1. We were lucky it was dumb dumb trDump.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 11:32 AM
Feb 2021

If it had been Raphael Cruz, Josh Hawley or Tom Cotton who are way more evil and fascist than trDump, we would have been royally fucked.

We dodged the racing bullet of Fascism headed our way.

A coup d 'etat would have fully materialized and come to fruition, if it was not dumb dumb trDump calling the shots.

Turin_C3PO

(13,975 posts)
4. Military refused to go along with the coup
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:03 PM
Feb 2021

and wouldn’t have even if a smarter fascist was in office.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,601 posts)
2. TFL;DR- Martial law is not the same as a military coup
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 11:58 AM
Feb 2021

For a military coup to succeed, the entire command structure of all 6 branches of the armed forces would have to go along.

That’s not going to happen.

You might get one crazy general with one division willing to do his bidding, temporarily seize the WH, 25 th amendment invoked, VP orders rest of military to wipe out rogue unit, coup over.

Prove me wrong.

Myanmar is a tiny country with a tiny (compared to US) military.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
5. I think it's not as high of a threshold
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:06 PM
Feb 2021

The Joint Chiefs of Staff can be gone against by one rogue general. It doesn't take all 6 branches to agree, one can take action and the other 5 can sit on their hands.

I believe that's what Trump was pursuing, to get one of them to deploy the military in DC to seize power, but one wouldn't agree to it because the others said they'd stop it. Little things like the law, rules, and decorum go out the window.

It's already come out that Trump tried to get the military to intervene, in years to come I think we'll learn much more.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
8. It's going to take a long time to learn everything that went down at the Capitol.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:37 PM
Feb 2021

Considering how many people were there. We do need to take drastic measures to make sure something like this never happens again!

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
10. The Capitol riot wasn't the coup attempt
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:48 PM
Feb 2021

It might have provided cover for the real coup attempt, but at worst the mob would have killed a hand full of politicians, would have had no effect on the transfer of power. The real coup attempt was Trump begging and pleading with the DOJ and then the military to enable him to seize power by force. And I think it's clear that some of our military leaders at least entertained his ideas of a military coup.

Turin_C3PO

(13,975 posts)
3. I understand what you're saying
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:02 PM
Feb 2021

but we’re not Burma. The military wouldn’t go along. They’ve already proven that. Plus Burma is far more unstable than we are. We’re in a dangerous time but nowhere near your scenario yet.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
6. Yeah I might be too paranoid about this.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:34 PM
Feb 2021

But everything I have read about the Myanmar coup and the parallels between them and Q Anon are pretty frightening. If enough Q Anon people ran for Congress and actually won their elections, they could really do some damage.

Turin_C3PO

(13,975 posts)
7. They could, you're right.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:36 PM
Feb 2021

That’s why we must stay engaged and encourage our Democratic friends and acquaintances to stay engaged in 2022. We can’t let up or the crazy will increase. According to a recent poll, 17% of the public believes the Q-anon conspiracy. We must make sure that number doesn’t rise.

Initech

(100,068 posts)
9. Yup, Q Anon is a virus and it is mutating.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:38 PM
Feb 2021

We need to make sure that it doesn't find new hosts to infect, or we're screwed.

BarackTheVote

(938 posts)
11. Yes, it can happen here, but...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:02 PM
Feb 2021

Myanmar is a very different scenario than what could play out here. Don’t forget that Myanmar was under military dictatorship for almost fifty years before they experienced a decade of democracy. It was codified in their constitution that the military could unilaterally declare a state of emergency and take control for one year. Furthermore, the military is much more integrated into their civilian culture; they own businesses, including a national television station. Myanmar could be described as having had a flirtation with democracy, while we are having a flirtation with fascism.

The most likely path for our destruction isn’t a military coup, but a Republican majority in the House and Senate voiding a democratic election. Basically, we need to do as much as we possibly can for the next two years to prove the Democratic Party is the party that will most help the most people to get their votes to save our democracy; a coup in America is reliant on at least one election going completely the way of the GOP.

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