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PCIntern

(28,327 posts)
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 12:58 PM Feb 2021

I'm gonna say something about this Nazi POS MTG....

I don't know if this has been said here before but I awakened thinking this:

the reason...THE REASON...that this hideously bigoted, intellectually benighted, anti-Semitic lunatic-conspiracy-theorist-disciple has gotten this far is not obvious.

Now for the explanation, and please stay calm: when I was growing into my adolescence in the Sixties and early Seventies, there was a type of novel published in paperback, available at certain bookstores and newsstands. They were known as "Sleaze Paperbacks" - I'm certain many of you partook of them - they were a common form of what we used to call "release material". Interestingly, there were many significant writers who wrote thousands of these under pen names, one such writer was Robert Heinlein of Science Fiction fame, but I digress.

For the uninitiated, they presented as follows: the female protagonist was either a hero or a villain, and if the former, often worked for government agencies or secret companies who of course, were the "good guys" and of course the initials of the agencies were, for example, N.Y.M.P.H.O or L.U.S.T. - you get the picture - and the story would involve her adventure bringing down some evil leader of a whole cabal using her wits and various body parts. Now, the language used in these was very different from today's pornography, it was more "civilized" and very descriptive in a formal literary sense. Every so many pages, the narrative would involve a "scene" and you could find these scenes by skipping to pages which had long paragraphs. But I digress again.

The endings were always satisfactory and you'd be all set for her next adventure.

Now there's the villainess: these books were really dark, the lady would be portrayed as pure evil in stark sexual form: black leather dress, pointy heels, lots of hair falling heavily to her shoulders, rituals of sexual torture and death involving extreme prurience followed by descriptions of extreme suffering. These books, while erotic in their own right, were extremely disturbing and they stayed with you, sometimes FOREVER. Trust me. There was one scene i cannot to this day, get out of my mind 55 years after i read it standing in a bookstore while my mom was shopping for holiday presents in the same store. But I digress for the last time.

Now to the covers of the books: invariably the cover depicted a pre- or post- sexual encounter with the individuals posed provocatively: the vast number of these were drawings, some color, many in black and white, depicting the "thrust" of the plot. Many of these were drawn, painted, or photographed by legitimate artists who made good money doing this work. These books sold well. (It must be noted for the record that there were many subjects that would absolutely be taboo these days including pedophilia and incest, and people today would (rightfully) go directly to jail for possession or publication of these materials). The women were almost always portrayed as huge-breasted, narrow-waisted, long-legged and there was not much left to the imagination, and in some regions, there was no censorship for drawn nudity. None. At all whatsoever.

To my point: this "lady" from Georgia, a state which has given us much to cheer about in the last couple months, is a character out of one of the latter category of novels. Her campaign ad, paraded around so effectively by Steny Hoyer on the House Floor yesterday, was a cover of one of those books. Standing there in tight-fitting costume, blond hair cascading down, holding an AR-15, with three frightened faces of ladies staring in her direction, mouths in fearful rictus, with the vicious inscription below the composite photos, this is just like one of those books.

This appeals to the prurience inherent in many individuals and the desire to experience sexual violence with all the overtones. and by the way, if you think for one moment that this was a province of males, I will tell you that I had a coworker when I first became a dentist who was a young lady who had these books hidden in her apartment and at work and would read them voraciously and got away with it because she would tape legitimate literature covers to these books. (The reason I discovered this is that I saw a suspiciously thin copt of Robert Louis Stevenson's Treasure Island on her shelf in her treatment room. I thought perhaps it was a condensed version and when i opened it....well, DU rules prevent me from telling you the subject matter.

But this Congresswoman embodies this fantasy come to life, and the haters, bigots, and general all-around creeps have an icon to replace Trump. and also, please notice that her fellow Congresswoman, Ms. Boebert, a brunette, has garnered somewhat less attention, although as far as I'm concerned, they're two peas in a pod. Perhaps the old Clairol ad rings true once again: Is it true blondes have more fun?

If one describes having "fun" as being a pure malignant sociopath, then perhaps so.

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I'm gonna say something about this Nazi POS MTG.... (Original Post) PCIntern Feb 2021 OP
What an excellent piece of analysis. guillaumeb Feb 2021 #1
Yeah...I need to be able to start my car in the AM without the resultant explosion... PCIntern Feb 2021 #2
Remote starter,... don't park too close to the house. magicarpet Feb 2021 #26
Interesting post! Turin_C3PO Feb 2021 #3
Interesting analysis. Hate coupled with sex can ... Whiskeytide Feb 2021 #4
Sex is Violence Skraxx Feb 2021 #5
That's probably why the MAGAts didn't have a problem with Melania, too csziggy Feb 2021 #42
Fascinating. Brilliant. k&r n/t Laelth Feb 2021 #6
A favor if you would moniss Feb 2021 #7
That's very funny....nt PCIntern Feb 2021 #9
Add in a golden crucifix for effect and that's it, total package. Baked Potato Feb 2021 #8
Disasters lead KentuckyWoman Feb 2021 #10
Okay--what book were you reading in the bookstore while your mom shopped? panader0 Feb 2021 #11
I Don't recall the title PCIntern Feb 2021 #12
Gun culture Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #13
Thanks! Now I need a cigarette NT maxrandb Feb 2021 #14
If you don't object to Facebook PCIntern Feb 2021 #15
LOL maxrandb Feb 2021 #16
LOL! calimary Feb 2021 #18
I hope MTG never realizes all the profound favors she's doing for us. Paladin Feb 2021 #17
Which Heinlein? Susan Calvin Feb 2021 #19
Silverberg and Heinlein wrote for quick cash PCIntern Feb 2021 #22
Right you are. ChazInAz Feb 2021 #33
Kilgore Trout Skraxx Feb 2021 #41
Oh. I thought you meant Susan Calvin Feb 2021 #43
I was. PCIntern Feb 2021 #44
Then I'd still be interested to know Susan Calvin Feb 2021 #45
Both authors and many others of some repute PCIntern Feb 2021 #46
But do you happen to know an actual book or story in a magazine? nt Susan Calvin Feb 2021 #51
OMG, Before I read your post I was reflecting on these lascivious pictures Cozmo Feb 2021 #20
One little problem, MTG ain't hot flibbitygiblets Feb 2021 #21
I didn't want to start that discussion, but yes PCIntern Feb 2021 #23
The schtick is dominant blonde in boots bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #27
Agree. yonder Feb 2021 #28
Someone loaned me one of those novels. bucolic_frolic Feb 2021 #24
That is QUITE the analogy, and right on the money. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2021 #25
I think the reason they've gotten this far is that Jim Jordan and Gaetz found and supported them mahina Feb 2021 #29
I thought it was mostly moms reading those types of books IronLionZion Feb 2021 #30
The stories you describe have morphed into the graphic novels of today FakeNoose Feb 2021 #31
IIRC, Scooter Libby wrote books like that nuxvomica Feb 2021 #32
Lynne Cheney wrote an erotic novel waddirum Feb 2021 #47
love your writing style housecat Feb 2021 #34
Wow, thanks. You've carved out an aesthetic here. So would you call this the Nazi Aesthetic? ancianita Feb 2021 #35
Much of that "literature" used Nazis... PCIntern Feb 2021 #36
Interesting to know. ancianita Feb 2021 #37
Be my guest! PCIntern Feb 2021 #40
Applause from one who enjoys a good job of decoding images. ... Hekate Feb 2021 #38
It's a sick world in which we live. PCIntern Feb 2021 #49
Sad to say, it is Hekate Feb 2021 #50
Your thesis follows the numbers 7wo7rees Feb 2021 #39
It was my impression as well Tumbulu Feb 2021 #48
K&R Blue Owl Feb 2021 #52
Hell of a good analysis. K and R. nt LuckyCharms Feb 2021 #53
I just had a flash about Ivanka, who wants to be Senator then potus herself one day... Hekate Feb 2021 #54

guillaumeb

(42,649 posts)
1. What an excellent piece of analysis.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:02 PM
Feb 2021

Submit this to local media as well, if you can deal with your neighbors.

Truly well analyzed and argued.

PCIntern

(28,327 posts)
2. Yeah...I need to be able to start my car in the AM without the resultant explosion...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:03 PM
Feb 2021

But thank you...

Whiskeytide

(4,653 posts)
4. Interesting analysis. Hate coupled with sex can ...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:13 PM
Feb 2021

... be addictive for people bent that way. I really had not thought of her as a sex symbol for RWNJs, but it makes sense of some of the unwavering idolization. Hell, these people thought Тяцмр was some kind of real-life Batman.

Skraxx

(3,178 posts)
5. Sex is Violence
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:14 PM
Feb 2021

For some people. But you've hit on something important to the Group Fantasy that has currently enthralled a large segment of our population; that is the Dominatrix token. There is a HUGE Psychosexual component to the group psychosis we're witnessing. It's a true death cult in full force with all the accoutrements. It's psychohistory in action.

csziggy

(34,189 posts)
42. That's probably why the MAGAts didn't have a problem with Melania, too
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 04:50 PM
Feb 2021

She ticked all the Dominatrix boxes, including some of her soft porn images.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
11. Okay--what book were you reading in the bookstore while your mom shopped?
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:43 PM
Feb 2021

You can't just tease and then walk away.

PCIntern

(28,327 posts)
12. I Don't recall the title
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:45 PM
Feb 2021

But it was pornographically sexually violent. i have very low standards and this was well-below them

Johnny2X2X

(24,150 posts)
13. Gun culture
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:47 PM
Feb 2021

She's the product of decades of gun culture propaganda. They really think their guns are there to kill elected officials they disagree with, it's what the NRA has been drilling into them for decades.

PCIntern

(28,327 posts)
15. If you don't object to Facebook
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 01:50 PM
Feb 2021

there's a group called "Vintage Sleaze Paperback books" You may need a carton....

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
17. I hope MTG never realizes all the profound favors she's doing for us.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 02:46 PM
Feb 2021

My bet is, she never will.

Susan Calvin

(2,433 posts)
19. Which Heinlein?
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 02:55 PM
Feb 2021

I know he wrote under pen names, but I do not recall seeing a book of that ilk, and I think I've read everything. At least not one I took as a book of that ilk.

Well, Friday I guess, but that's one of his later ones and he didn't write it under a pen name. That's the only thing that pops to mind offhand.

PCIntern

(28,327 posts)
22. Silverberg and Heinlein wrote for quick cash
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:09 PM
Feb 2021

I just recall that from the members of the literary community I grew up in in Bucks County, PA

ChazInAz

(3,016 posts)
33. Right you are.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:46 PM
Feb 2021

They both used several pseudonyms.
Silverberg was a phenomenally prolific writer up until his retirement. Those sleazebooks paid the rent on the apartment he shared with another typewriter-destroyer, a certain Harlan Ellison. Anyone who ever met Silverbob (I have.) will testify that he is one of the nicest people on Earth!

Susan Calvin

(2,433 posts)
43. Oh. I thought you meant
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 06:16 PM
Feb 2021

One of the kinds of books that you mentioned. Heck yeah Heinlein wrote for quick cash.

PCIntern

(28,327 posts)
46. Both authors and many others of some repute
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 06:36 PM
Feb 2021

Wrote this “trashy” stuff.

There was a lot of money in it at the time.

Cozmo

(1,402 posts)
20. OMG, Before I read your post I was reflecting on these lascivious pictures
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:02 PM
Feb 2021

Thank you for defining this.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
21. One little problem, MTG ain't hot
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:06 PM
Feb 2021

I’ll not a fan of “rating” women’s appearance, but methinks you give her too much credit.

But I get what you’re saying, and have also noticed this image is what she’s aiming for.

bucolic_frolic

(54,993 posts)
27. The schtick is dominant blonde in boots
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:17 PM
Feb 2021

it releases the sub in a lot of men. the guns only enhance the power and focus the anger.

bucolic_frolic

(54,993 posts)
24. Someone loaned me one of those novels.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:13 PM
Feb 2021

I was a late bloomer. I didn't really get it. I found the language crude, or maybe I missed the arousal.

BobTheSubgenius

(12,212 posts)
25. That is QUITE the analogy, and right on the money.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:15 PM
Feb 2021

I'm not sure I would have ever thought of that connection.

mahina

(20,626 posts)
29. I think the reason they've gotten this far is that Jim Jordan and Gaetz found and supported them
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:23 PM
Feb 2021

Norman Orenstein agreed.

(The author and Ornstein said Jordan and Mark Meadows)


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IronLionZion

(51,191 posts)
30. I thought it was mostly moms reading those types of books
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:26 PM
Feb 2021

And it shouldn't be lost that MTG's infamous ad had her gun pointed at 3 brown women. She selected those 3 to appeal to the worst voters in her district. She won against lots of Republicans in that primary. Her voters are clearly into it.

FakeNoose

(41,433 posts)
31. The stories you describe have morphed into the graphic novels of today
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:28 PM
Feb 2021

It's still porn of another sort, and most of the "consumers" are male. The point of those cheap paperbacks was to get a quick payoff with little or no intellectual effort expended.

It's possible that Ms. Greene is trying to play off that vibe, but I'll take your word for it. How can so many voters in Georgia have been blinded to the truth?


nuxvomica

(14,073 posts)
32. IIRC, Scooter Libby wrote books like that
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 03:41 PM
Feb 2021

Maybe not strictly in that genre but sleazy potboilers with kinky sex nonetheless. I vaguely remember Libby's book had a caged victim or something but I never read the actual tome.

waddirum

(1,005 posts)
47. Lynne Cheney wrote an erotic novel
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 06:38 PM
Feb 2021

titled “Sisters” and featured hot woman-on-woman action

ancianita

(43,294 posts)
35. Wow, thanks. You've carved out an aesthetic here. So would you call this the Nazi Aesthetic?
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 04:05 PM
Feb 2021

Why I ask...

Your embodiment case shows too much of a sexy brutess style of prurience to be a 'lost cause' aesthetic. Just sayin'. I'd use Nazi because Nazis' known kinkiness and violence sharpens the racism edge of their idea of Southern and white supremacist culture.

Either way, you seem to shape a political aesthetic that looks so cultural, imo, that it helps to explain their idea that our eradicating right wing nazi activities/language should be labeled 'cancel culture,' since they wrote the book on that culture originally through the "institution" of cancelling black humans before the Civil War. Thus, they now feel "discriminated" against, victimized, always denying any and all racist power -- sundown towns, slave work prisons, police-murdered Blacks, Obama conspiracies, etc. -- on their part.

Again, thanks for your post. It explains so much of my experience living in the South in the late 60's, early 70's.

ancianita

(43,294 posts)
37. Interesting to know.
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 04:27 PM
Feb 2021

I wish I'd read at least one of these books when I lived down there. I heard about them, but reading one would have opened my eyes to Southerners' cultural mindset around me. What language and behavior I'd seen in my 24 years there was ugly enough, but that they'd 'culturize' their twisted beliefs ... ugh.

Your account is fascinating. One that all Whites should know about.
Would you mind if I shared and attributed it to you on FB? It's just so good it deserves some wider attention. Whatever you think, I'm glad I read it.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
38. Applause from one who enjoys a good job of decoding images. ...
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 04:34 PM
Feb 2021

That one went right over my head, as my experience with that genre is limited.

But once you see it, you can’t unsee it — kind of like recognizing the blood libel trope returning from its rotting grave.

Such times we live in. Bookmarking.



7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
39. Your thesis follows the numbers
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 04:38 PM
Feb 2021

There are an inordinate amount of knuckle-dragging, psychosexual, gun-humping, degenerates in this country, enough to keep Hustler magazine and Guns and Ammo magazine in the black for 100 years. The NRA will never go away, just like the Klan, and the Rethug grifters will never stop trying to fleece them.

The fantasy gun-babe who owns the libs will be a forever trope from now on, cuz it SELLS, baby! Palin only scratched the surface with her heli-hunting, but when the Greene Monster She-Bitch walks into the well of the Congress strapped with iron, she gets the troglodytes' gonads a-throbbin'.

Gun control is a solution. So are castration and forced vasectomies. Penalties must be stiffened to address the deadliness of this 200-year virulent strain of sociopathy.

Tumbulu

(6,630 posts)
48. It was my impression as well
Fri Feb 5, 2021, 08:31 PM
Feb 2021

Looking at the image, it seemed actually scandalous.

Thanks for describing it all so clearly.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
54. I just had a flash about Ivanka, who wants to be Senator then potus herself one day...
Sat Feb 6, 2021, 11:22 PM
Feb 2021

I have read how idolized she is by some women for all her great achievements as a businesswoman (gag) and her supernal beauty (ack). Where does she fit in this porn universe? Because I just know she does, somewhere.




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