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https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/05/opinion/qanon-hillary-clinton.htmlQAnon Believers Are Obsessed With Hillary Clinton. She Has Thoughts.
The mass execution cult has roots in three decades of demonization.
By Michelle Goldberg
Feb. 5, 2021
A clear indication that Marjorie Taylor Greene was more than a dabbler in QAnon was her 2018 endorsement of Frazzledrip, one of the most grotesque tendrils of the movements mythology. You have to go down a number of rabbit holes to get that far, said Mike Rothschild, whose book about QAnon, The Storm Is Upon Us, comes out later this year.
The lurid fantasy of Frazzledrip refers to an imaginary video said to show Hillary Clinton and her former aide, Huma Abedin, assaulting and disfiguring a young girl, and drinking her blood. It holds that several cops saw the video, and Clinton had them killed.
When Greene posted a picture of Donald Trump with the mother of the slain N.Y.P.D. officer Miosotis Familia on Facebook, one of her commenters described Frazzledrip and wrote, This was another Hillary hit. Greene replied, Yes Familia, then continued, I post things sometimes to see who knows things. Most the time people dont. Im glad to see your comment.
Contemplating Frazzledrip, it occurred to me that QAnon is the obscene apotheosis of three decades of Clinton demonization. Its other things as well, including a repurposed version of the old anti-Semitic blood libel, which accused Jews of using the blood of Christian children in their rituals, and a cult lusting for mass public executions. According to the F.B.I., its a domestic terror threat.
I was curious what Clinton thinks about all this, and it turns out shes been thinking about it a lot. For me, it does go back to my earliest days in national politics, when it became clear to me that there was a bit of a market in trafficking in the most outlandish accusations and wild stories concerning me, my family, people that we knew, people close to us, she told me.
cp
(6,626 posts)Squinch
(50,949 posts)I think it's easy to underestimate the violence and pervasiveness of this unless you are a women who is powerful or independent
yardwork
(61,599 posts)And some women themselves help to undermine strong powerful women. Our patriarchal culture with its roots in slavery and genocide has severe flaws.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)express it are generally women who are somehow financially dependent on men who fear independent women. And this is not just wives. It can also be a working woman whose boss or mentor feels that way.
Also, I think it's often quite unconscious.
Poiuyt
(18,123 posts)I wonder if she'll take over the mantle once trump dies? I had thought that trumpism would die when he does, but maybe they'll follow Greene because she wants to kill liberals.
Squinch
(50,949 posts)Chainfire
(17,536 posts)It is absolutely amazing to me that you could ever get two people to believe such bullshit, much less a large following. While insane cults have some history in the country, it seems to be only recently that they have gained such numbers as to be able to actually send someone to Washington to represent them. I can not, for the life of me, understand what is happening in our country that has made so many people so open to so many conspiracy theories. What ever happened to "common sense?"
Is all of this the results of the internet communications growing faster than the society can adjust to the change? What does the end game look like? Are we destined to live some type of Rod Serling nightmare? We saw modern day "zombies" inside of the Capitol, do we really need to prepare for the Zombie Apocalypse? I am glad my life is at the end phase, I don't think I could stand 50 years of this bad dream.
yardwork
(61,599 posts)Rush Limbaugh went after her, and others followed. Hillary noted the presence of a "vast right wing conspiracy" who went after them.
Many people didn't like a strong, educated woman as First Lady. They prefer pin-ups like Melania.
Chainfire
(17,536 posts)uppity wanting men's wages and the like.....
JHB
(37,160 posts)...in broadcasts of his "Old Time Gospel Hour" in 1994, popularizing on the Right the idea of a "Clinton body count."
But somehow, this craziness is "Trumpism."
dalton99a
(81,475 posts)JHB
(37,160 posts)Without going down into that rabbit hole, the allegations of drug running at Mena and money laundering through BCCI revolved around the Reagan administration's covert attempts to support and supply the Contras in Nicaragua.
Somehow, the Oliver North network aspect was completely dropped and the allegations were transmuted into claims of "Bill Clinton, drug lord."
Bongo Prophet
(2,650 posts)At the time, many were following it from that Iran/Contra angle. When the 'Clinton Chronicles' narrative came out, I wondered if there would ever be a collision of narratives on that. Unfortunately, they have had a lot of success with that.
Frustrating, living through history.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)much of America was brain-fucked by the campaign against Hillary -- for herself and as a main symbol of Democrats. QAnon pod people finally leading to understanding that it really could happen and how.
On top of the bizarre Hillary hate that developed in some, I couldn't count all the rational people who said, "I just don't like her." If asked why, maybe "I just don't," or often justifying with some twisted but not crazy story from the same toxic cauldron that tragically lead to the radicalization of others. They didn't suspect their heads had been screwed with.
Btw, I went over to that little forum where Hillary-deranged DUers fled in 2016 (though some snuck back to hang here also), and a quick search on "Hillary" brought up over 90 hostile to deranged posts in the month plus from January 1, 2021 to now. And that's without searching on "Clinton," "HRT," or any of the ugly nicknames some always use, so that's a big undercount. We don't talk about her half as much these days on this far larger forum, but some there who drank the Hill Hate Kool-Aid are not just obsessively constantly bringing her up just for that reason but because their bizarre lies and conspiracist notions of her have been woven into their entire "understanding" of America and politics. Topic after topic involves her, new evidence of her evil deeds is always turning up.
"I can go one better! HILLARY knew all about Trump, and pushed him as the candidate!"
Btw, my little glance suggests QAnon is held at bay down there in spite of all its conspiracist dwellers who also love Pizzagate, etc. I suspect the more rational realize it'll take over and kill their forum if they let it, so they badmouth and any pod people still there save it for elsewhere.
dalton99a
(81,475 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)recurring in various threads as I counted, didn't stop to read. Maybe Trump was just a diversion.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)Rush Limbaugh - under the direction of his evil ultra-wealthy boss Richard Mellon Scaife - started the whole anti-Hillary campaign almost immediately in 1992 when Bill Clinton became President. It has been non-stop garbage and hatred out of his mouth ever since, even though Scaife has been dead probably 10 years already.
This is just further proof that the Qanons as well as all the RWNJs whatever gang they're in, are incapable of forming their own opinions. They just spew whatever garbage lies are fed to them.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)Hillary Clinton warned that there was a "vast right-wing conspiracy" working against her, her husband and the Democratic Party. Many scoffed, claimed she was guilty of hyperbole and paranoia.
The GOP laughed. "Nonsense," they said.
Although these were the same people who endorsed Limbaugh et al who repeatedly accused Hillary of murdering Vince Foster as well as numerous financial crimes. No evidence, of course. Just the relentless smears.
How prescient of Hillary. Again.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have documented the vast RW conspiracy against the will of the people, not that the conspiracists would describe it that way. Certainly not the wealthy RWers future justice Lewis Powell wowed with his memorandum outlining how they could get control of a liberalism-gone-mad New Deal America and move it right. Or that religious leaders allying with them to destroy ungodly secular domination would. Or that white male nationalists determined to preserve "their" white male America would.
Charles Koch wouldn't either, even though he now calls their collective product "whatamess." What an imbecile. When he was growing up, Germany was still rebuilding out of the rubble of the whatamess that people like him helped create there.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)It wasn't just against Hillary Clinton although she became the favorite whipping girl because she was a woman, a educated professional who had the audacity to speak up, have an opinion, push back. She was/is everything the Strongmen admirers hate, a skeptic to their overblown masculinity myth. And she didn't mind telling people that. Same thing with the pseudo-Christians; they want their women in the background, meek but always supportive, even if they're sporting a black eye.
And yes, I've read of Lewis Powell and his corporate blueprint for America. The same ole buzzwords--the radical Left, communism, socialism all evoked by the Civil Rights movement and the stoking of fear, coming mayhem. I'm sure Hillary Clinton was well aware of Powell's viewpoint. We could even take it back to Ford and Lindbergh, both Nazi sympathizers, and the various assassination plots against FDR.
Further still, of course. America has a checkered political past to say the least.
Yet I still think HR felt/sensed the tremors of the current earthquake early on, then tried to warn us in 2016. Basket of deplorables? Spot on. There is no other Donald Trump--what you see is what you get?
If anything the latter was an understatement. What we saw multiplied by 100 is what we got.
Yes, and Mr. Wattamess's father, Fred Chase Koch, was a founding member of the John Birch Society. The acorns don't fall far from the Crazy Tree.
The madness has had a very long run.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the engineered decline of worker wellbeing, then running herself, the election of Obama, legalization of gay marriage by Supreme Court fiat, increasing rage and anxiety. The conspirators had fueled their very long run with the madness they'd developed at such length among the right, but then the madness took over.
"What we saw multiplied by 100 is what we got." And they. The Koch alliance dumped the Tea Party when it went renegade, but too little too late!
JHB
(37,160 posts)In the same way Dean sounded odd through the isolated feed of his directional mike instead of in the context of a crowd cheering, unless it was part of a rundown of all the activities and operations to attack the Clintons, that phrase becomes ripe for caricature and ridicule for most people who aren't up to speed on the rest. And both conservative and "all too eager to bash the Clintons to prove they weren't liberally-biased" mainstream media ran with the caricatures and ridicule.
peggysue2
(10,828 posts)The phrase has stood up well considering what we know and what we've seen these last 4-5 years.
Hillary has become something of a Cassandra, few believe her in the moment but her predictions about right-wing politics have been eerily accurate.
JHB
(37,160 posts)...to caricature and downplay.
But I suppose my view is colored by her not being a "Cassandra." Instead, she was a relative latecomer to articulating the way the Right deliberately targeted her and her husband, to make them villains to rally support in fighting. She spoke the phrase in 1998, but people paying attention to the Right recognized it straight from the get-go, even before the 1992 election.