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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA beloved San Diego teacher, Mario Fierro, was murdered by a MAGA this week.
What is wrong with these people. Are they all dangerous? Do they all feel entitled to kill, steal, & flaunt the law? Are they all bullies? Is this what trump has left us?
The below article shows a facebook picture of the shooter at a Trump rally with his magat hat on.
"Jesse Alvarez, 30, was arrested in a Serra Mesa neighborhood Monday night and charged with murder. Police say he killed Cathedral Catholic teacher Mario Fierro, and this was not considered a random attack."
"Fierro, who taught Social Science and helped coach the football team, recently got engaged to a fellow teacher at Cathedral Catholic. Court records show Alvarez dated that teacher for 3 1/2 years. She ended the relationship in 2019 because of "a pattern of control, manipulation, and emotional abuse which increased over time". In December 2019, she went to court asking for protection against him. "I'm seeking a restraining order as I am scared and fear for my safety." (her extended court order was denied).
*snip*
"Fierro was shot Monday morning as he was leaving his home in North Park. The 37 year old died at the scene. Today, students stopped by the location to honor the man who regularly went out of his way to make them feel special. He just always believed in me, Keenan Guthrie said sniffling back tears. Not many other people did when I was told I might not ever be able to play football again.
https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/crime/police-say-cathedral-catholic-teachers-accused-killer-is-fiances-ex-boyfriend/509-8a2d1127-180e-43a6-8920-bc969e56b166
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)THAT is what the headline should be.
Domestic abusers and murderers of women come from all backgrounds, including many who vote blue. This is not a political issue (ie not blue or red), but a misogyny issue, and an issue of laws and societal mores not protecting women and children.
niyad
(113,262 posts)Did you see where a judge refused to grant a restraining order against this guy? Took the alleged abuser's word over the terrified survivor.
BComplex
(8,036 posts)When are judges going to wake up to what really goes on?
niyad
(113,262 posts)(Damn spell check. It keeps correcting to an incorrect word. Grrrrrr)
I hope the MAGAt guy rots in hell.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)like fiancé? The reply title doesnt accept any special character like accents over letters or ę, ê, ë like the body of the message text does.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)(basically, type fiancé . And if you preview it, or come back later to edit it, you have to do that again)
niyad
(113,262 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,242 posts)The article is a follow-up (with additional info) to prior articles. I do see that it might be a little confusing - I'll reread and maybe edit.
salin
(48,955 posts)It isn't a political issue. I don't see where Maga comes in. Distracts from the horrible issue of domestic violence.
soldierant
(6,847 posts)the MAGAt "platform" (if you can call it a platform) is the platform of abusers. Abuse is baked into the foundation That does not mean that every Republican will be abusive (not that I personally would like to take the chance), nor does it mean that no Democrats will be abusive, but the odds to run that way.
JI7
(89,247 posts)to these violent hateful types full of bitterness and resentment.
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)My daughter works at Starbucks and came home last night very upset because she had asked a woman who insisted in standing in her face to step back, the woman refused my daughter's polite request twice - so my daughter told her that someone else would have to make her drink. After she walked off, the woman apparently went into a rant about how people like my daughter make her want to gouge her eyes out - and she (my daughter) should just go kill herself.
As I'm sure Trump's attorneys will say next week - It's just words. Which is true until it's not . . . until it's not, and January 6 tells us that they are willing to escalate from words to action very easily.
Aside from being worried that this woman - or someone like it will get physical next time - my daughter has struggled with anxiety and depression including thoughts of suicide.
So proud of her for holding her temper, and glad Starbucks supported her decision not to serve the woman who insisted on standing right in her face.
Liberty Belle
(9,534 posts)at a store where a woman with no mask terrorized a black barrista by getting right in her face and as I recall, also making a racial slur.
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)She'll likely have to have another incident reported before they ban the customer. This one was at least wearing a mask - she was just inches away from the prep area, wouldn't step back, and clearly itching for a fight.
niyad
(113,262 posts)rather than his victim, clearly, you are a lousy judge of character.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,242 posts)niyad
(113,262 posts)AnotherMother4Peace
(4,242 posts)The young woman detailed in her 5 page request that Alvarez had tried to break into her home wearing a hoodie & sunglasses, stalked her at Disneyland, phoned her obsessively, showed up at events, etc. etc. & his behavior was escalating. The school where she teaches, Cathedral Catholic, even posted warnings about Alvarez around campus.
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2021-02-02/police-arrest-suspect-jesse-alvarez-in-north-parking-killing-of-cathedral-catholic-teacher-mario-fierro
"Notes in the court file from the Jan. 22, 2020 hearing state that Superior Court Judge Daniel Belsky found both of them credible, and found Alvarez to be very sincere. The judge said emotions were running high, and that it had taken Alvarez time to process and realize that the relationship was over. Belsky dismissed the case."
JI7
(89,247 posts)when I read these things.
The things he did went beyond just being upset over a breakup.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)Are not female friendly. Haven't been. It is not progressive when it comes to violence against women and child custody cases at all.
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)Never have been. See Lenahan v United States (https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/vaw/landmark-cases/jessica-lenahan-gonzales-and-others-v-usa/)
niyad
(113,262 posts)there many years ago. Nothing has changed.
2naSalit
(86,536 posts)Also have extended family there and have seen the horrors of the courts for three generations messing up families with their child custody practices. And you're right about the cops too. That place needs a reintroduction to American Values.
MagickMuffin
(15,936 posts)The article is definitely confusing and since they never identify the woman's name made the story a little difficult to understand.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,242 posts)There's something about magats that make them feel entitled to be violent, murder, flaunt the law. I know one magat that now I definitely would not allow around my house or family.
JI7
(89,247 posts)This is why they love Trump. They can relate to his own feelings that way.
FreeState
(10,570 posts)A gang shooting, murder by cop and now this one - stocking an ex. It had nothing to do with Trump and everything to do with domestic violence.
AnotherMother4Peace
(4,242 posts)entitlement, irrational thought. So if a magat gets "crossed" or feels "disrespected" or wronged, there's a much greater chance that he/she will lash out and seek revenge. I have not worked out the stats, but that's how the numbers are coming up.
In this tragic situation, the magat murdered the fiancee of his ex-girlfriend. She was granted a temporary 3 month restraining order against him, but was denied a permanent restraining order despite his increasingly dangerous & threatening behavior.
I don't know if a permanent restraining order would have done any good in this case, since the violence/murder was not against her but her fiancee.
FreeState
(10,570 posts)Last night we drove by the candles and signs left still burning on the sidewalk. Heartbreaking to see.
This didnt have anything to do with Trump though. Domestic violence crosses all groups unfortunately.