I would like the DU experts to explain to me how protesting over the

[malaise]

murder of George Floyd by police or telling people to protest about that is comparable to an attempted coup where a cop was murdered, one lost his eye, another lost fingers and many others have injuries. Further the House and Senate were invaded by Trump's terrorists and staff and elected members had to hide. Add to that the Trump terrorist in the Speaker's office with a stun gun looking for her, the theft of her property and the threats to others.

To attempt to compare the two is ridiculous on steroids.

[ProfessorGAC]

1. Yes, It Is!

On steroids!

[UpInArms]

2. When their bucket only holds shit

That is what they fling

[DonaldsRump]

3. This is clearly the right-wing smear team in action

and MSM too stupid to understand the very clear distinctions that you point out.

[barbtries]

14. not stupid.

cynical. i'm pretty fucking sick of it.

[Hoyt]

4. It's not comparable and most know it. But it's hard to

ignore the violence in either case. I’m sure of one thing, we need to ban gunz at protests and large gatherings. That’s just idiot.

If the police had kept the white wingers from going up the Capitol steps, we would never have seen what those MFers are capable of.

[malaise]

11. That's one way of looking at it

for now we do know they were prepared to kill the entire line of succession to steal power for Trump

[Hoyt]

12. I honestly don't think they were that organized, but doesn't mean the

white wingers won’t be ready next time.

[wnylib]

33. I think they were pretty well organized to

accomplish getting into the building, finding offices, being informed that Pelosi was evacuated, and having weapons nearby ready to use. If not for officer Goldman leading part of the mob away and Capitol security inside the building giving warnings and escorting people to safety, the coup would have succeeded. The mob was just one minute away from Pence when Goodman led them away and just a few minutes away when others hid behind barricaded doors.

If the mob had made it into the Capitol just 5 minutes earlier, there would have been a slaughter of House members and Senators. That's pretty damn close.

There was planned coordination to have so little security outside, the Guard standing down, people with knowledge of office locations, people with equipment to protect themselves while carrying out the attack, someone to notify them when Pelosi was evacuated, and experienced invaders (former military) to know how to choose and use materials at hand to break windows and beat cops. There were also people with megaphones instructing the mob on where to go and when to move forward.

They came very close to carrying it off.

[Hoyt]

34. It's not like the Capitol is some secret pyramid. There should have been reinforcements on

the steps, that were ordered not to let unauthorized people in. I can understand the Senate not performing their oversight of Capitol Police. Don’t understand the House’s.

Think we are giving these rubes too much credit. They went to Washington to march and hang out with deplorables, and the Capitol fell in their hands.

Every protest, March, etc., has people with megaphones.

In any event, if it really was that organized, the proof will come out from people willing to squeal to save their rear.

[wnylib]

36. Sorry, I just can't agree that they

were all just a bunch of rubes who didn't know what they were doing. That's true of several thousand who were there, but there were select people who knew exactly what they were doing. They are members of organized militia, like Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, etc. who have recruited present and former military and cops. And they had inside help from Trump"s circle of traitors.

The Capitol building is such a large complex full of mazes of hallways and tunnels that the attackers who found specific offices had to have had advance info on how to get to them. Some reporters who cover the Capitol say that they still have trouble finding their way around sometimes.

[Hoyt]

38. We'll know soon enough. But fact they didn't get anyone in Congress tells me

they stumbled into this. Glad they didn’t harm any Congresspeoplr, but if they were prepared, they would have shot those 3 or 4 security people with handguns in the House. In fact, they would have been armed with serious weapons, not spears, etc.

There were hundreds of rubes running through the Capitol, a few stumbled upon the House and Senate chambers, a few ended up in Speaker Pelosi’s office, etc. Most urinated in a corner or took selfie’s wherever they ended up, and look like losers and Deplorables.

Personally, I think they should have been mowed down, at least gassed, on the Capitol steps.

[Hoyt]

39. Sorry, didn't mean to post that twice.

[Atticus]

5. I think the Trump "defense" will be a high-volume "Gish Gallop".

To briefly---and rather crudely---explain, a "Gish Gallop" is a cascade of ridiculous bull shit; a steady stream of snarky remarks that are either gross exaggerations or misrepresentations of some small bit of "truth".

In this example, the insurrection AND the George Floyd murder protests involved 1,) a death, and 2.) crowds. Those are factors which, of course, do not in any way equate the two events but, while we are taking the time to rationally explain this, WE are not focusing attention on our overwhelming evidence and THEY are flingin another equally outrageous allegation/accusation.

And, when we leave our defense of the first fling of poo to begin a defense of the second, they launch another---and another---and----

The tactic is used by people who have NO REAL EVIDENCE to counter their opponent's.

[malaise]

7. You nailed it

[WA-03 Democrat]

6. Maybe

A guy trying to buy a pack of smokes in Minneapolis who happen to be black (with real money), is the same thing as a bunch of brain washed white folks looking to murder the US Presidential line of succession...nope it’s not even on the same planet.

An innocent man was murdered by police and the world reacted with horror. It was 2020, can we not yet agree that another person is not your property?

President Biden won fairly with the most vote in our history and the losing psychopathic president enraged a violent mob that was preplanned with the goal of keeping his ass on the golden throne. An innocent man being murdered by the state and the person who is the head of the state trying to murder the first and other legitimate branch of government is of no equivalence in any universe.

There is no Correlator. This is shameful both sider-ism. I know 2 years olds who can lie better.

[malaise]

8. Yes indeed

[kurtcagle]

15. Problem is that too many Republican politicians understand what happens when that thread is pulled

There are threads that connect many of them (as well as media people and pundits) to Jan 6, as well as the threat that Trump and his conspirators are using to turn their constituents against them if they do not put up a heated defense. Many of them are only in power because of the crazies back home. Others, such as Fox News, are going on the offensive for much the same reason: they survive on the strength of their audience, and that audience is remarkably fickle. What they aren't factoring in is that this same audience/constituency is now fading away quickly, and the more sane GOP politicians are recognizing that if they do take a stand against Trump, they actually may be rewarded for it in two years time.

[WA-03 Democrat]

17. Can we ever trust them with power again?

My goal is to build a Democratic Super Majority. Just the thought of President XYZ from the Republican - our systems were set upon people working from and in good faith. I have no faith in any Republicans. Ben Sasse is angling that side already.

[NoMoreRepugs]

9. It's comparable because Fox watchers and HateRadio

listeners will BELIEVE ANYTHING they are told. A whole bunch of your neighbors, friends, family and co-workers are FUCKING IDIOTS.

[mdbl]

10. There is no comparison

But they have to spew their "whatabout" shit to make themselves feel better, even though it doesn't apply.

[barbtries]

13. it's all they got Malaise.

benghazi, her emails, all this bullshit drummed up. it's diversion, deflection, propaganda, bullshit.

it soothes their racist hateful dead souls somehow. but to my mind it's a real stretch to think anyone would consider it valid.

i'm no expert but after all these years of republican faux outrage, and the fucking media playing into it time and time again, it's my answer. it's all they got.

I love this rant because ever since I watched it the first time, it asks the one question I would dearly love to ask my brother, my lifelong best friend, her daughter: what has this country not given you?
all these people I don't talk to anymore because they are racist trumpsters and I can't. I just can't. We live in opposite realities.

[malaise]

16. Great rant - Did you see this on JHB's cartoon thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15063036

[barbtries]

37. perfect.

i'm sharing that!

[dlk]

18. False equivalencies are Republicans stock in trade

Their level of disingenuousness and cynicism is truly incredible!

[bucolic_frolic]

19. Honestly we have much work to do for 2022 which will be skewed again because Trump

is not on the ballot. No idea how much noise he can make from More-a-Farto. But his absence removes much from the 2020 fallout: fewer Trump MAGAts, but also fewer old-GOP voting against him but for Republicans. I think we get a net add out of that, but ... there other ways to look at it I suppose.

[LymphocyteLover]

28. Yes, 2022 will be tricky. The GOP seems to be in disarray but we can't take anything for granted

and one big problem is how redistricting from the census will used by the GOP to gerrymander more seats for their House run.

[SunSeeker]

20. No Democrat told protesters to go to Target. Trump told the crowd to "go to the Capitol."

And he told them to go to the Capitol on Jan. 6 to "stop the steal" as that was the day Congress was counting Electoral College votes, and he wanted them to stop the vote count. He told them to "fight like hell or you won't have a country anymore." He told them to do an illegal act, to interfere with Congress' Constitutional duty to count the Electoral College vote. No Democrat told any protester to commit an illegal act.

[spanone]

21. They are trying to defend the indefensible. It's Impossible.

[Evolve Dammit]

22. not even close. Orwellian, like all else they spew.

[BlueLucy]

23. I hope no one here thinks they are even remotely comparable!

[ChubbyStar]

24. The GQP in Congress and tried to paint Ilhan Omar with the same brush as Marge TrailorTrash Green

"But she said bad things too." Horrible, deranged, abusive people always deflect. Steny Hoyer gave them the what for and I stand with him.

[plimsoll]

25. Not if you're from the GOP.

You're asking the wrong folks. We look at the discrepancy and say how do you justify that. If you're serious you ask some one from one of the right wing sites. They can tell you exactly how they're comparable and whats more how many hundreds more people were killed by violent leftwing communist insurgent fifth column bolsheviks.

Obviously they're not comparable, but it's become a litmus test. Are you pro-democracy or anti-democracy. If the two look the same to you or the protests over George Floyd seem worse you're anti-democratic and almost certainly a racist.

We need to stop expecting honesty and integrity from the right. They've abandoned those things, we can't be sure why, but we can be sure that whatever they say probably is offered in bad faith. Without verifiable evidence we should just assume they're full of it.

[TomSlick]

26. It's an old lawyer's saw.

When the facts are on you side, you argue the facts.
When the law is on your side, you argue the law.
When the law and the facts are against you, you distract.

[spooky3]

27. We must be really dumb DUers

Because somehow none of us can explain it.





Are you watching Ash Barty?

[LymphocyteLover]

29. there's no comparison -- it's disgusting in the extreme to compare the two things

but that's what the right does-- and they say the BLM riots were worse! They are disgusting racist assholes!!!

[COL Mustard]

30. No, Malaise It's All The Same....

The BLM protestors and the Capitol terrorists are exactly, exactly the same.


OK,

[H2O Man]

31. Recommended.

It's like comparing sugar and shit.

[malaise]

35. Yah think1

Hi there WaterMan

[Blue Owl]

32. K&R

[qwlauren35]

40. The conservatives...

that have fought me on this state that 30 people have died in the BLM riots.

I don't think there's any comparison between being upset because people are being murdered by cops vs. being upset because someone lost an election, but they do.

[radius777]

41. Conservatives view whites as the true victims

is what it boils down to. They truly do think that 'cracker' and the n word are equivalent insults, that Omar and Greene are equally bad, that BLM and the insurrectionists are similar, etc.

The truth is that due to systemic racism the n word is not merely an insult but a tool of oppression, that Omar used unfortunate terms (which she apologized for) in critiquing Israel-Palestine policy while Greene is just a racist and violent conspiracist with no coherent policy positions, that BLM protests against white supremacy and actual injustice while the insurrectionists stormed the Capitol to pull off a coup and install Trump for life so that they could cement white supremacy.

[malaise]

42. Soto these morons conservative now means racists?

Interesting post

[TigressDem]

43. Only because there was violence and destruction in some BLM protests, especially night ones.

In Minneapolis on Lake Street, the 5th Precinct was burned to the ground along with many businesses looted and also set on fire.
However, there is some evidence that Boogaloo Bois and others invaded those protests and amplified violence.


https://www.startribune.com/charges-boogaloo-bois-fired-on-mpls-precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/23/texas-boogaloo-boi-minneapolis-police-building-george-floyd




SO VIOLENCE IS VIOLENCE. Some died in these events. EVEN IF IT WAS NOT BLM Protestors doing the worst... those people got into these protests which WERE looting local businesses and upped the anty to make US look bad.


THE difference is, we DEMS still go after the people who commit violence even if they are going overboard in pursuit of justice.

WE don't justify violence except in self defense.

AND the majority of BLM protest were peaceful, even if some statues were taken down forcefully.


BUT PEOPLE SEE WHAT HAPPENED. UNTIL THOSE WHO DID THESE ACTS ARE IDENTIFIED AS INFILTRATORS AND NOT BLM Protestors we have those dead chickens around OUR necks.



HOWEVER, Antifa has been around for 25 years and NOT KILLED ANYONE. (Edit -There may be an exception in Portland 2020.)


AS DEMS we gotta stick with the facts, bring forth the evidence.


BUT we also DEMAND the SAME of the REICH WING. THEY HAVE TO OWN THEIR BEHAVIOR AND PAY FOR IT TOO.

[TigressDem]

49. DEATHS in Minneapolis During BLM protest period happened at night...

PEACEFUL PROTESTS DURING THE DAY...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Floyd_protests_in_Minneapolis%E2%80%93Saint_Paul

DEATH AND DESTRUCTION AT NIGHT

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/1-shot-dead-amid-looting-riots-on-lake-street-in-minneapolis




Minneapolis is STILL trying to recover. I am NOT blaming BLM. I see a LOT of out of state license plates and I think there are REICH Wing groups HERE still kicking up the violence to keep the heat on BLM, but it is still being investigated and each crime has to be solved before the whole picture emerges. AND we have our own citizens who have turned to crime during the pandemic as well.

https://www.startribune.com/amid-sharp-rise-in-minneapolis-shootings-slayings-a-solution-appears-elusive/573079021/

LAST 7 days
https://www.minneapolismn.gov/resident-services/public-safety/police-public-safety/crime-maps-dashboards/shots-fired-map/


Carjackings -- some at gunpoint


https://www.startribune.com/nearly-50-arrested-in-crackdown-on-violent-robberies-carjackings-in-south-minneapolis/600018247/

[StarfishSaver]

44. The know that many white people think black bodies are inherently dangerous

And they're hoping to scare them into drawing a direct parallel between calm black people protesting peacefully and lawfully, and angry, screaming, murderous white people storming the Capitol - because they know that in the minds of a significant portion of white America, the two groups are comparable - and, in fact, the former triggers more terror in them because they believe those black people are a greater threat to them than any white people, regardless what they're doing.

[TigressDem]

50. The problem Starfish is that REICH Wing infiltrated BLM protests and/or their counter protests...

ARE ALSO being counted against BLM.

And BLM during the DAY - PEACEFUL

BLM at night, Destruction and even Death.


DID anyone from BLM actually kill anyone? I don't know.

But people died and the criminals are being tried and the whole answer isn't 100% clear.

I DO know that at least 1 Boogaloo Boi has been arrested and will be tried in connection with the 5th Precinct Arson.
https://www.startribune.com/charges-boogaloo-bois-fired-on-mpls-precinct-shouted-justice-for-floyd/572843802/



But there WERE some black people and white BLM protestors out of control here in Minneapolis during the initial outrage over George Floyd's death.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/28/looted-and-smoldering-lake-street-the-great-street-braces-for-more

Could someone have snapped on our side and gone all the way to murder? I don't know. Hundreds of years of history could bring a lot of us to the breaking point.

Did WE have a better reason? Like a REAL reason VS fake news? YES.

AM I STILL BROKEN after George was murdered by police blocks away from my house? YES. It's like someone in my family got killed and I still have no closure.

Do I think black people are the danger? Not so much.

IF THERE WAS A BIG BLACK MAN on one side of the street and a wimpy white guy looking like a MAGA on the other, I would get on the side of the street with the black man. Day or night. Odds would totally be in my favor.


BUT I still think that the facts, whatever they are, have to be acknowledged, even if it means one of our own did something wrong.

EVERYONE needs to be held accountable in a country when the RULE of Law is upheld.

SO MY HEART IS ON KEEPING THOSE REICH WING *&*&$%)$%&*$*s accountable for their STUFF and also owning our own make mistakes too, IF and when that is proven to have happened.

[malaise]

51. Excellent post

[StarfishSaver]

53. Random acts of violence were the exception to BLM's mission and message and very rare

They were aberrations, not the point.

Violence and insurrection was the entire purpose of the January 6 "protest." In other words, they were the feature, not the bug.

Black movements have ALWAYS been compromised by white people seeking to undermine them with distractions who then used that as as an excuse to demonize and ignore them.

[TigressDem]

54. I guess what I am saying is, "WE talk about STANDARDS and stick with it."

When we goof, we take the hit.

When they goof, we hold them to the wall like the bugs they are.

I can not say that every person at the Jan 6 protest was in on the killing of cops and Congress.

IF ANYONE there feels remorse and wants to be rid of that party, I will encourage them to do so.


THEY can not say that everyone who died in the vicinity of a BLM protest was caused by BLM. Being BLACK in the vicinity of a CRIME has to STOP being a crime. It is TIME for REAL justice that judges on actions not skin color.


THOSE who chose violence are responsible for their actions.


THE leaders who incited and CONTINUE to incite VIOLENCE need to be held accountable.
MTG I am talking to you, be-atch. tRump, shut yo' face, orange faced boy.


TO SET THE EXAMPLE, BLM can do the Martin Luther King thing and advocate PEACEFUL protest and ask for our side to abide.


WE.
WILL.
SHOW THEM.
HOW.
IT.
IS.
DONE.


THEN when they F*** up and get violent, WE throw their stupid a*** in jail and throw away the keys.

[TigressDem]

45. FACTS people DIED around BLM Protests..... did BLM Protestors DO the killing? Have to dig deeper

Here is one source **** so realize that "Patriot Rallies" that are the REICH Wing Counterpart to BLM Protests are INCLUDED in the tally.

SO THEIR VIOLENCE is STILL BEING COUNTED in OUR supposed count.


IS IT RIGHT? NO.


BUT BLM MUST ALWAYS come out and say they don't condone violence at their rallies, except in self defense, as we know there are those that WILL attack peaceful protestors.

We CAN'T JUSTIFY violence and stand up against it at the same time like the REICH WING does. WE ARE NOT THEM, WE DON'T WANT TO BECOME THEM. We want them to be held accountable for their actions and not back down from that by defending any aggression by BLM protestors --- because most of those being aggressive are "planted" and we need to OUT them as such. Make the REICH OWN ALL THEIR SHIT.


****
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/31/americans-killed-protests-political-unrest-acled



Most of the protesters killed this year were shot to death, and many of the incidents involved confrontations at protests that escalated and turned deadly when at least one of the people involved had a gun.

Lee Keltner, a navy veteran who made custom western hats, was shot after a “patriot rally” in Denver on 10 October. Video and photographs of the incident appear to show Keltner slapping a security guard for a local news crew, who responds by pulling out a gun and shooting him.

Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a far-right Trump supporter, was shot after a rally in Portland in August. Danielson’s suspected killer, Michael Reinoehl, was a leftwing protester who called himself an “anti-fascist”, and who was later shot to death by law enforcement officials, an outcome Donald Trump referred to as “retribution”.

Garrett Foster was reportedly carrying an AK-47 rifle when he was shot to death in July by an armed man who had been driving a car through a crowd of Black Lives Matter protesters in Austin. Whether Foster threatened the driver with his gun is still disputed. The man who shot and killed Foster, the US army sergeant Daniel Perry, had previously tweeted “Now is the time to take up arms and protect yourselves against violence” and responded to a Trump tweet in June about “protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters” by saying, “Send them to Texas we will show them why we say don’t mess with Texas.”

[pwb]

46. Defending lies against our own eyes and ears is tough.

It doesn't work for them anymore and they are lost.

[TigressDem]

47. Portland BLM protest turned violent. tRumpies came in caravans and got shot down.

NOW if Michael Forest Reinoehl HAD NOT shot back, would that caravan have gone on to kill a WHOLE LOT OF non violent BLM protestors? Probably. So I am not saying it wasn't self defense. BUT IT HAPPENED.

WE HAVE TO HAVE OUR DEM EYES OPEN to the facts and work with the evidence.


https://apnews.com/article/b57315d97dd2146c4a89b4636faa7b70


The slaying of the right-wing Trump supporter gunned down after he came downtown last weekend with a pro-Trump caravan of pickup trucks pushed the crisis further toward a breaking point. The prime suspect in the shooting, self-described anti-fascist Michael Forest Reinoehl, was killed Thursday night by law enforcement.


......


Thousands of demonstrators turned out nightly, with some hurling fireworks, rocks, ball bearings and bottles at the agents. They responded with huge plumes of tear gas, rubber bullets and flash-bang grenades that created chaotic, war zone-like scenes.



.....


Fist fights broke out and, as night fell, Trump supporter Aaron “Jay” Danielson, 39, was fatally shot as he walked on a sidewalk. Reinoehl, the suspected shooter, was killed late Thursday by a law enforcement task force sent to arrest him outside Lacey, Washington.

After Danielson’s killing, Brown sent state police back into the city to help local police. Those troopers have been deputized as federal law enforcement officers by the U.S. Marshal’s Service, which means protesters arrested by state troopers far from federal property could now face prosecution by the U.S. government.







ARE THE BLM PROTESTS really comparable to the type of violence and insurrection on the REICH side, ESPECIALLY if you take OUT

those violent acts COMMITTED BY THE REICH DURING BLM Protests AND move them over to the REICH SIDE?


NO.


BUT WE STILL NEED TO OWN WHATEVER PART IS OURS AND DEAL.


DENIAL is NOT the DEM way. WE ARE FOR REAL. If one of ours does something wrong, we will own that and deal with it.

WE MAY COMPLETELY UNDERSTAND THE MOTIVATION and even argue SELF DEFENSE due to the presence of ARMED "pATRidiots" at

OUR protests - TUNING THEM VIOLENT.




BUT TO ME..... let's HAVE this conversation on COMPARISON, but set the rules that THEIR behavior is THEIR responsibility and OURS is OURS.


IT SHOULD BE ..... Enlightening.

[TigressDem]

48. They ALREADY hold BLM accountable - JUST SAYING, they should hold all REICH WING accountable too.

https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/74-people-facing-federal-charges-crimes-committed-during-portland-demonstrations


74 People Facing Federal Charges for Crimes Committed During Portland Demonstrations
Charges include assaulting federal officers, arson, failing to obey lawful orders, and damaging federal property






So, for me, it is more about.... OK you want to compare?

LET's COMPARE.



You see the response when BLM get rowdy? They get rubber bullets and pepper spray and concussion bombs.


REICH WING get LOVE YOU from the pRez and he holds off on the National Guard until AFTER you kill people.



It IS still a ridiculous comparison, but let us smack down the facts and pile even MORE on their plate of STUPID instead of saying there is no comparison. Because even if we have a 1-3% violent response compared to their 25%, SOME of their People actually thought they were just going to act angry and break stuff like BLM did and get some attention.

IF we show those who WENT INTO THIS thinking it was a righteous protest who DID NOT intend ANY VIOLENCE, that THEY HAVE BEEN HIJACKED BY THE REICH side of their group and WE have been infiltrated and framed by the REICH side, then we have common ground and THEY HAVE REASON TO LEAVE the RePukes at the side of the road.

[uponit7771]

52. The kGOP are lying about who said violence should be incited, they keep saying it was democrats

[TigressDem]

55. But WHOSE face and lying mouth is on VIDEO? MTG, tRump, sTone

HOWEVER there was a lot of DAMAGE done that people in BLM were not sorry about.

Still, they didn't kill people that we know of except in Portland where a whole CARAVAN of White Supremacists were coming in to go after BLM protesters. ONE Antifa guy shot one possibly two people before the cops killed him. SO ALL DEMS are guilty.


IF THEY HAVE ANY PROOF THAT DEMS called for violence, tell them to bring it on and make sure it ain't fake, cause we have people with brains to catch that stuff.

[malaise]

57. BLM did not kill people

MAGA plants be they Proud Boys or the others were caught starting trouble.
That lil runaway murderer killed people and was caught doing it with impunity

[TigressDem]

59. Someone with ties to Antifa killed a Pro-tRump supporter in Portland. So it isn't 100% spotless

I am not saying there is anything like 50-50 at all. But the truth is the truth whether it fits my viewpoint or not. I KNOW the BLM protests in Minneapolis during the day were peaceful, thousands of people together, strong and determined but not doing any harm.

At night. it changed. I live in Minneapolis and whole buildings were destroyed. Gone. It got violent. People died here too.

Not sure WHO killed them and the gun violence has gone off the charts here since George was killed. I DO think it is other people using BLM for cover, so if we stand up and denounce the violence, when anyone does it, we will not be like THEM and claim it is ONLY the other side.

Just like there WAS this .04% voter fraud but NOTHING wide spread, it is what it is. I even get WHY. Geeze when the police kill someone in the streets it blows your damn mind.

HOW in the World are we STILL SEEING THIS Shit? And maybe REALLY SEEING it for what it is. I always knew there were some bad cops and felt they should be taken off the force when they abused their power. Little did I know that the damn UNION was protecting slime balls like Derek Chauvin.


PORTLAND
https://apnews.com/article/b57315d97dd2146c4a89b4636faa7b70

The slaying of the right-wing Trump supporter gunned down after he came downtown last weekend with a pro-Trump caravan of pickup trucks pushed the crisis further toward a breaking point. The prime suspect in the shooting, self-described anti-fascist Michael Forest Reinoehl, was killed Thursday night by law enforcement.

[uponit7771]

62. ANTIFA isn't a national organization and that non entity has nothing to do with BLM. Hey Tigress, ..

... what else do you think should've been done to "stand up and denounce the violence"?

Sorry bout yah set I'd be ticked off it was mine too I just don't know what ...MORE... leadership around the country could've done.

Now

I .. ***DO*** know what police forces and mayors etc could've done to curb the violence and didn't and I have a theory behind that.

[TigressDem]

66. ALL I wanted was a clear verbal statement from BLM saying that the VIOLENCE was not their mission.

Well, the Militias and Hate Groups and Conspiracy Clubs all have different names, but we know the people on the right have a certain degree of agreement on some things.


ANTIFA is more a part of us and that guy who shot people in Portland was at a night time BLM protest.


LEADERS WERE asking for these protests to be toned done, let's make the changes, but it happens SO SLOWLY and that whole DEFUND the POLICE was a non-starter.


EVERYONE started looking at the violence and the message got shoved aside.


I am simply saying that WE AS DEMS gotta denounce violent protests or WE BECOME just like the REICH WING, bringing our guns to protests to PROVE OUR POINT to those crazy people on the other side. Then it's not a protest any more. It's a WAR.


I AM PEACEFUL to the bone, but so angry sometimes that if I had a gun, I might be tempted to use it. SO I DON'T HAVE ONE.

[uponit7771]

67. Dems and social orgs like BLM denounced the violence day one, it's not their job to

... have every utterance they make a denouncement of something unassociated with them in no way whatsoever.

Trump's protest was directly related to terrorism and insurrection.

His protesters he gathered went straight from a protest to do a terrorist and insurrectionist act, BLM and no other protesters have been proven to do just that en mass and provoked buy BLM.

violence after peaceful protest and Trump's terrorism incitement and inssurection are in no way similar.

[uponit7771]

58. BLM didn't have to be sorry there's no proof they're connected to any of the violence on the other..

... hand their is proof that Trump is connected to the 1/6 capital terrorism

[TigressDem]

60. Murder is a worse violence. But BLM DESTROYED Whole Blocks in Minneapolis. Buildings can be rebuilt.

That behavior was violent. Someone died in the pawn shop that burned down. Someone was shot. There are videos of the rioters and while they weren't killing cops they were violent enough in the night time protests.

Shootings in Minneapolis have gone off the charts, There were almost 50 people arrested for strings of violent carjackings.

Is it BLM's fault? I know they don't promote it but I was at ground Zero and they were saying if you do stuff like that, don't get caught, it reflects badly on us.

I would have liked a stronger rebuke.

That is all I am asking. There IS proof that people protesting in BLM's name during night time riots got violent. Some are proven plants and a most of the violence toward people was NOT anyone on the BLM side.


BUT I've been living in a war zone and it looked pretty damn violent to me.

I still support BLM. I would simply like their message against violence being done in their name to be crystal clear.

[uponit7771]

61. Please link and quote BLM destroying blocks of anything, thx in advance.

Violence happening ... AFTER ... a peaceful protest is ***NOT*** the same thing as the minions and the leader of a ruling party in a country calling for violence and stopping democracy for the sake of keeping power in the government.

The 1/6 attack was DIRECTLY CONNECTED to members of a ruling party calling for illegal action which was coming onto capital complex grounds.

Is it BLM's fault? I know they don't promote it but I was at ground Zero and they were saying if you do stuff like that, don't get caught, it reflects badly on us.

Do you have any definitive proof those were BLM leaders calling for this?

I'm not talking about someone with a BLM t-shirt on cause that can be spoofed by anyone, specific BLM leaders saying this very thing.

I would have liked a stronger rebuke.

What extra steps of rebuke outside of what was already said and done should anyone have taken against the violence that happened after peaceful protest last summer?

[TigressDem]

63. You know how WE kept asking tRump to DENOUNCE the VIOLENCE? We should do the same.

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED. Protests began peaceful and then expanded nation wide. PEOPLE GOT SICK of all the game playing.

The guy who threw the molatov? Pretty sure it turned out to be a Boogaloo Boi, at least one has been arrested in conjunction with what happened that night. But this crap went on night after night and it WASN'T just the infiltrators.

BLM protestors weren't out shooting or trying to kill anyone. THAT IS TRUE.

BLM is SO far away from all that intentional insurrection and there is a REAL ISSUE at the heart of these protests.

AND BLM gets pounded even when their protests ARE peaceful while stupid white supremacists get hugs and no bullets.

I GET THAT.

WHAT I WANTED FROM BLM LEADERS WAS - LOOK WE WANT REAL CHANGE - IF YOU GO OUT AND DESTROY ALL THESE BUSINESSES IT MAY GET ATTENTION BUT IT MAKES US LOOK LIKE THE BAD GUYS.

DO THAT SHIT ON YOUR OWN TIME, DON'T BRING BLM INTO IT.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=post&forum=1002&pid=15070371

A Scuffle Breaks Out

The day after George Floyd died, protesters marched from the place where he gasped under a police officer’s knee to the Third Precinct where they believed the officer worked.

They rallied peacefully on the steps with a megaphone and signs. Then, as night closed in, they started wandering home. But a rowdy group peeled away, spray painting graffiti on the police precinct house wall. Someone smashed the window of an empty police cruiser. “This is not OK,” a young female protester can be overheard saying on a video later posted to Facebook. A scuffle broke out. “Everybody go home,” someone screamed.




As Wednesday night wore on, buildings up and down Lake Street burst into flame.





BUSINESSES THAT WERE BURNED DOWN TO THE GROUND DURING MINNEAPOLIS RIOTS

https://bringmethenews.com/minnesota-news/a-list-of-the-buildings-damaged-looted-in-minneapolis-and-st-paul#section_1


Shoff Chiropractic East Lake Street: Destroyed by fire.
Admas Travel Chicago Avenue: Destroyed by fire.
Schubert & Hoey Outdoor Advertising on 26th and 28th: Destroyed by fire.
USPS Post Office Minnehaha and Lake: Destroyed by fire.
Mailbox Solutions Plus 44th Ave N. and Penn: Destroyed by fire.
Cellphone shop 44th Ave N. and Penn: Destroyed by fire.
Domino's on 26th Ave So and E 28th Street: Destroyed by fire.
Popeyes Chicken Chicago Avenue: Destroyed by Fire.
Boost Mobile East Lake Street: Destroyed by fire.
Atlas Staffing: 1st Ave and Lake: Destroyed by fire
Uncle Hugo's/Uncle Edgar's 28th and Chicago: Destroyed by fire.
Family Dollar 36th & Nicollet: Destroyed by fire.
Migizi Communications 27th Avenue South: Destroyed by fire.
Olympic Cafe West Broadway: Destroyed by fire.
El Nuevo Rodeo Restaurante East Lake Street: Destroyed in fire.
Nguyen Architects 26th and 27th: Destroyed in fire.
Arby's Lake Street: Destroyed by fire.
7 Mile Fashion Express East Lake Street: Destroyed by fire
Wendy's Lake Street: Fire, destroyed.
AutoZone Lake Street: Fire, destroyed.
Minneapolis 3rd Police Precinct: Destroyed by fire.


There were also a lot that had EXTENSIVE PROPERTY DAMAGE and FIRE

AND IN St PAUL and the Suburbs and other cities.



I AM NOT ON THE SIDE OF THE COPS OR THE BUSINESSES OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.




ALL I WANT IS FOR BLM TO SAY, THAT WAS NOT ANYTHING WE WANTED.




WE WANT OUR PROTESTS TO REMAIN PEACEFUL.




IS

THAT

SO

FUCKING MUCH?

[TigressDem]

64. LINK to MAP of areas targeted in this message

In this link you can see a LONG HORIZONTAL LINE --- that is LAKE Street. From Lake Calhoun to The Mississippi River is probably 30 blocks.

I NEVER SAID THE LEADERS WERE CALLING FOR ANY OF THIS.

I SIMPLY WANTED THEM ON THE RECORD DISTANCING BLM's MISSION very clearly as being FAR AWAY from the RIOTS.


But some people were like, "Well at least NOW the World is Paying Attention."

[TigressDem]

65. Everyone WAS pissed. I am STILL NOT OVER George Floyd's death.

I didn't know him, but every friend of every color and nationally I have EVER had could have been killed in this way because of how screwed up the system is.

I could be killed in this way because I would walk into that shit and try to citizen's arrest the damm cop and get a bullet for my trouble and feel I'd lived a good life.



I want Chauvin in prison for life.

I want strong sentences for the others who didn't stop him.

I want that UNION busted.

I want officers to get more help from the community so that this shit doesn't escalate.

REFORM the police department into something that WORKS for the people instead of killing citizens for dumb ass reasons.

[Irish_Dem]

56. Sociopaths have to lie because they have no legit defense.