GOP Ad: (stooge) 'I voted for Joe Biden in Georgia'

[My Pet Orangutan]

'He promised to increase ma stimulus check to $2,000. He said if the Democrats won the Senate, they would send another check. $2,000 all up'. (run Biden rally footage)

'Well I got the first check $600 - but now - I ain't got nothing - I an't got nothing more. You know why? Joe Biden and the Democrats think I'm rich, think I don't need any help'. etc

(Sob story about running a small business or whatever)

'President Biden - you broke your promise to me'.

The politics of changing the eligibility rules for the second stimulus check is just so stupid, I can't believe there's is a debate about it. On the day the checks start going out, The GOP/RW would be gearing up to turn what should be a cause for celebration into bitter recriminations.

[DeminPennswoods]

1. 600+1400 equals 2000

It's not eligibility, it's failure to understand basic arithmatic.

[My Pet Orangutan]

2. Its about people who got the first $600

who would get nothing of the $1400, if the cut off was lowered to $75,000.

[DeminPennswoods]

3. Not how I read the text

nt

[My Pet Orangutan]

4. 'I got the first check $600 - but I ain't got nothing more'

There is no other way to read it.

[d_r]

5. It's how I read it

[lilmamba]

6. That's how I read it too, and I hope that's not the case

Why in gods name would you let republicans out message and out flank you when it comes to direct stimulus payments? This should be the dems bread and butter. 90% of the GOP would be against ANY kind of additional direct payment at all.

Anyone who got the $600 should also get the $1,400.

[Celerity]

16. 75K is the 'get nothing at all' cut-off, but people will start to see less if they make over 50K

under what Manchin wants, and if it is like the other two (especially the 2nd one), the cut-off levels are steep. For instance, if you made just 5K usd more than the initial cut-off for the 600 usd cheque , you only got 100 usd, versus (with the exact same income) 950 usd of the 1200 usd for the initial cheque..

My cousin will go from almost the full 1800 usd under Rump to nothing under the new rules. She got dinged 50 usd (so she got 1750 total for the two) on the last cheque as they lowered the 'get zero' level from 99K, which was the get nothing cut-off for the 1200 usd cheques, down to 87K for the 2nd round (the 600 usd ones).

[My Pet Orangutan]

18. Correct.

But the GOP will be looking for the people who got nothing when making their ads. Millions and millions of them.

[Celerity]

19. it's terrible optics and a self-inflicted wound

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I understand the position we are in with Manchin, but I am quickly getting fed up with his posturing and antics. He is going to possibly help cost us the Senate and the House in 2022 unless he becomes more of a team player on certain things.

I do not expect him to go full left wing at all, for sure, but just go along with things that basically every other, or almost every other of the hundreds of Dems in our caucus support, especially the major Biden initiatives.

I see people go bonkers over some meaningless symbolic votes by a handful of House members on bills that pass by 200, 300, or so votes, but then many turn around and twist themselves into pretzels with 3-dimensional chess arguments and rationalisations when Manchin actually wants to block parts of Biden's agenda all by himself.

There is almost no chance that some of these things he wants to block or is pushing for (this reduced cut-off level, the 15 usd ph min wage phased in over 5 years, etc) actually helps him in 4 years (not 2, he is up in 2024) with re-election in WV, especially considering it is one of the poorest states in the union. If a voter wants slashed aid or no aid, they are simply going to vote for the Rethug.

[My Pet Orangutan]

20. I'm optimistic Celerity.

Manchin is open to deals. It's a time honored WV tradition.

[yardwork]

25. I hope that's what this is about.

[My Pet Orangutan]

27. I think it starts with a selfish / jealous mindset.

Incomes / cost of living are lower in WV. $11hr / $50,000 is worth more in WV than $15hr / $75,000 in CA.

But I mean, Robert Byrd was the master. There's no better way to salve feeling of jealousy than bringing home the bacon.

[Mr.Bill]

7. I would tell that man

last May, Nancy Pelosi wanted to give you $2,000, but Mitch McConnell wouldn't even allow the Senate to vote on it. And you know why? Because he knew it would have passed.

[Demsrule86]

9. Yeah it won't matter because Trump gave him 600 and Biden didn't...bad bad optics do not

change income limits unless you increase them and make them more stimulative.

[Celerity]

17. 1800 USD counting the first cheque. So even worse optics.

here is a repost of a reply I did (I do not want to spam this on every reply but you are a quick study and I value your opinion).

75K is the 'get nothing at all' cut-off under the new proposed rules, but people will start to see less if they make over 50K under what Manchin wants, and if it is like the other two (especially the 2nd one), the cut-off levels are steep. For instance, if you made just 5K usd more than the initial cut-off for the 600 usd cheque , you only got 100 usd, versus (with the exact same income) 950 usd of the 1200 usd for the initial cheque..

My cousin (in very expensive Los Angeles) will go from almost the full 1800 usd under Rump to getting literally nothing under the new rules. She got dinged 50 usd (so she got 1750 usd total for the two) on the last cheque as they lowered the 'get zero' level from 99K, which was the 'get-nothing' cut-off for the 1200 usd cheques, down to 87K for the 2nd round (the 600 usd ones).

It is really bad optics, like you said. We have millions of voters who will be short-changed or get zero.

[yardwork]

26. Unfortunately, as we see, reasoning doesn't work.

[msongs]

8. where is this ad being shown/promoted? nt

[My Pet Orangutan]

10. It's on ice

If the final bill cuts eligibility the the second check, something like this will be ready to go.

[dsc]

11. It will be everywhere if we are stupid enough to raise the income level for those checks

Regardless of the policy here, and honestly, I was never a huge fan of the checks, but an explicit promise was clearly and unambiguously made, and we break it at our peril. This will be the no new taxes of the 2020's.

[yardwork]

24. Agreed.

[Indykatie]

12. No Dem EVER Said We Would Send Another Check for $2000-

At the time the issue of the amount of the check was being discussed the $600 had not been issued. The Dems supported that check being $2000 rather than $600. The only people who act like they don't get this are folks looking for anything to use an attack against the Dems and Biden. That includes Repubs and some of the far left like Briahna Joy Gray and that crazy ass Susan Sarandon.

[My Pet Orangutan]

13. Re read the OP

'Well I got the first check $600 - but ...I an't got nothing more'.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215065076#post2

[Turin_C3PO]

14. The OP didn't say that.

His point is that if we lower the income eligibility, Republicans will be able to find millions of people who received $600 under Trump but didn’t get their $1400 under Biden. Everyone who got $600 was promised, in total, $2000 and we should stick to that.

[My Pet Orangutan]

15. ... and they will aim it at the 2022 Senate campaign

'They' said if the Democrats had control of the Senate, people who got the $600 would get another $1400 - but - the Dem Senate cut people off at the knees. (overlooking the fact that a GOP Senate would have given nothing to anyone)

[radius777]

21. We must fight Manchin on this, give him cuts on something else

like the PPP/small business relief programs where there was some actual fraud/abuse/waste.

Lowering the income thresholds to qualify for the stimulus check is politically very dangerous, as your post suggests, and as Bernie recently tweeted, that voters will start to view Trump as more 'generous' than Biden - ugh we don't need this shit. I think we should even raise the income threshold as many people who were doing well 'on paper' are struggling for pandemic related reasons now.

Manchin is playing right into the GOP's hands, as they would love nothing more than to divide our base, which is heavily urban and suburban where salaries may be higher but cost of living also higher.

[My Pet Orangutan]

22. Kick

[yardwork]

23. You're right. I heard this yesterday from a Democrat.

They said "this is why Democrats lose elections."

Biden and Congress need to send everybody $2,000 and move on. Anything less is a disaster for Biden, right out of the gate.