Donald Trump knew that Joe Biden would beat him in the presidential election

[malaise]

so he got himself impeached the first time while trying to destroy Biden.
Then he started screaming that if he lost it was rigged - then he started shouting that Biden should be arrested.
And then he lost and when he couldn't get state officials or federal officials to overthrow the results, he set out to have his terrorists stop the certification by invading both chambers, and killing and maiming people in the process.
So the one term piece of fascist shit was impeached again.

This time his crimes are on tape.

How anyone supports this criminal blows my mind. All ReTHUGs who support him are against democracy.

Expose this MoFoing monster once and for all.

Let's go Dems!

[livetohike]

1. Exactly. I will never understand what the Reps and

Senators think they will gain by continuing to support him. I will also never understand why anyone supported him in the first place and why they support him now. Can’t wait for this trial. Hope there are witnesses.

[OldBaldy1701E]

22. Money

The reps and Senators (and the 1%) gain a lot of money. The rest are just sheeple. I would pity them if they were not actively trying to overthrow the government and kill all of us Dems (which some of them do want... badly).

[dchill]

48. He OWNS their base. They can't win without him.

So they're with him. No matter what. NO MATTER WHAT.

[gademocrat7]

2. Absolutely agree

The apricot hell beast must face the consequences of his evil deeds.

[rampartc]

3. he is directly responsible fir spreading a deadly disease

killing at least 500,000 of his own citizens.

what is wrong with his supporters?

[BSdetect]

5. Unless we crush drumpf totally we will be suffering his madness for years

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

4. If...if he pulled the coup off successfully...

Those republican cowards would be pissing themselves while ironically taking a knee in fealty to trump.
Sniveling, pathetic pieces of rotten flotsam don’t believe in anything though of by themselves so they grab on to the latest bull spewed by their leader as their beliefs.

[Dustlawyer]

7. It is pretty transparent what he did to start the (attempted) steal and how it ended badly.

He needs to be in jail for murder because that is what he did. Those that helped him should also be convicted.

[jmowreader]

30. I know this isn't a popular position...

...but Trump needs to be hanged for his actions. America hanged Saddam Hussein for killing his own people, and Trump did the same thing.

[BComplex]

34. Or shot. Trump issued an executive order before he left office reinstating the sentence of death

by firing squad.

[jmowreader]

37. I don't want him to be shot

Two reasons: his worshippers might see a firing squad execution as a badge of honor, and it's not nearly humiliating enough.

I want him to be hanged Albert Pierrepoint-style. Pierrepoint was Britain's most famous hangman, and no one knows exactly how many people he hanged - somewhere between 400 and 600 is the estimate. The British gave a condemned prisoner (I am using "him" because most of Pierrepoint's "clients" were men, but he had executed some women) exactly three Sundays to get his affairs in order and mentally prepare himself to die. Pierrepoint arrived at the prison the day before the execution and looked at the prisoner (who had already been weighed) to examine his build and judge the strength of his neck. On the day of execution, Pierrepoint and his assistant would walk into the cell, strap his wrists together behind his back, walk him into the hanging chamber, put a white hood over his head, put the rope around his neck and pull the lever. It took less than a minute, but one guy was hanged in less than eight seconds...that one wanted to get this shit over with, so he broke loose from Pierrepoint's grasp, ran into the chamber and stood on the platform. Pierrepoint took after him, masked him, roped his neck and pulled the lever.

There's a good movie about Pierrepoint called "The Last Hangman" that has excerpts on YouTube. When he went to Germany to hang Nazi war criminals, he would hang two men at the same time and hanged over a dozen people per day.

[secondwind]

8. Spot on, Malaise!!!!!

[exboyfil]

9. He thought the Post office trapping of ballots

Would work.

[BlueJac]

10. Well said

[GoCubsGo]

11. What's really mind-boggling is that he could have avoided all of it, but for his abject stupidity.

And, greed and bigotry. Had he handled the pandemic in a competent way, listening to experts, instituting an actual full-on travel ban immediately, sending everyone face masks, not playing mob boss with PPE supplies, etc., he could likely have won on his own. He could have squashed the whole damn thing in that Washington nursing home. No need to resort to insurrection. What a goddamned, self-absorbed idiot.

[moose65]

17. Amen!

IF he had done any of the things you mention, he likely would have won re-election. But he's too lazy to really want to do ANYTHING except sit back and let people worship him.

On the other hand, of course Trump wasn't capable of being competent. You'd think that some of his advisors would have told him what to do. Maybe they did, and Trump refused.

[GoCubsGo]

25. He and his minions also got greedy.

They all looked on the situation as a way to make a buck Throw in the racism/genocide aspect of it, too, and here we are...

[Roisin Ni Fiachra]

12. Yes.

[PJMcK]

13. The reasons Republicans continue to support Trump

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There are, I think, two fundamental reasons Republicans will acquit Trump. First, they're not really afraid of Trump, especially now that he's been banned from Twitter and Facebook so that he's lost his megaphone. But they are afraid of the Republican base and they fear that if they cross them they will be primaried and lose their position of power.

That's the second and deeper reason that the Republicans are sticking with Trump. Deep down in their fetid souls, they KNOW they cannot win elections honestly. They KNOW that their positions are held by less than 35% of the country. The KNOW that they can only hold onto power through anti-democratic means: Gerrymandering, voter suppression, technical challenges to ballots, denying a sitting president his Supreme Court nomination and so on.

Republicans KNOW that unless they cheat they will lose power. It really is that simple.

In the end, I think that Trump is finished. Far too many Americans are just plain tired of him. As more time elapses, he'll become less relevant. The person we need to fear and prepare for is the Republican who is just as corrupt as Trump but is a lot smarter. With Trump, we were fortunate he is so stupid that he broadcast his plans and his own weaknesses. The next guy won't be so foolish.

[northoftheborder]

18. Good points.

[malaise]

39. I think you' re right

Excellent points

[JohnnyRingo]

14. He hinted that he would claim fraud in 2016.

He was repeatedly asked if he would concede the election and he dodged the question every time. His attitude is that a Trump never loses.
They say he even has to cheat at golf when the score isn't in his favor. Like a spoiled little brat.

Since when is that someone to be admired?

[ProfessorGAC]

15. Disagree Somewhat

I agree with all the complicity stuff you mention, but...
I don't think T+p thought he would lose.
In fact, with voter suppression, Rs as governors or SoS in critical states and a suspected low turnout from COVID, they thought the fix was in. For them!
The tantrums & seditionist attempts at overturning the election were a reaction based in disbelief that he lost, because they believed that the "lose the popular vote, win the EC" was cinched.
In T-$@p's tiny mind, he may actually have believed that since they rigged it, the only he way he lost was the other side cheated better than him.
Now, that doesn't begin to excuse the crimes then committed to overthrow democracy. But, I don't think they ever thought they'd get beat. Especially by nearly 90 EC votes.

[luvtheGWN]

23. And the irony is...

.....that without COVID, he probably would have won a second term (sadly).

[malaise]

40. I think tried his best to steal it but he was

always worried that Biden would be a tough candidate.

Covid prevented his voter supporession from working

[ProfessorGAC]

44. Come On!

I know you don't think T%p really thought anything through!
Besides, I think they believed COVID would further suppress turnout. They weren't strategic enough to think it would increase turnout. They also underestimated (stupidly) the enthusiasm to get rid of him.
They really believed they had this in the bag, IMO.

[malaise]

46. Well you do have a point re the Insurrectionist in Chief and thinking

[LastDemocratInSC]

16. "How anyone supports this criminal blows my mind."

The people who lived near John Gotti in Queens loved him and cheered each time he was acquitted for his crimes. Plenty of people there feared him for good reasons but most who supported him did so because he was a tough guy who stood up to the government, or because he was a local guy who made it, in their eyes, or because they wanted to be like him. And those reasons were due to bad parents and a corrupt local culture, or bad judgment, or a "you ain't gonna tell me what to do" approach to life. Just like those who support Trump. Who is another son of Queens.

[apnu]

19. R's have long been anti-democratic, the question is about ethics and law.

They last won a popular election 2004. An aberration as they lost the popular election in 2000, and all through the '90s, the '00s, the '10s and the trend is continuing in here in the '20s. The Republican party has been a minority party for decades.

Ethically they are wholly corrupt. They will vote to acquit Trump this time for pure political reasons. But this is also often seen with the party under McConnell's rule. He changes the rules to suit his interests, he lies constantly and negotiates in bad faith and brags about it on Fox News.

Because of that, they lie about being the party of law. We have seen these lies for decades. Remember spying on Americans and shoving in a provision to the PATROIT act to make it retro-actively legal? Remember torture of prisoners? I can go on and on here.

[malaise]

41. Good points

[malaise]

42. Good points

[Nocturnowl]

20. Indeed

Donnie feared Joe more than anybody else!

[Maxheader]

21. So wrong. The conservative movement..and has been for awhile.

Deaths and wars over the years..central america, grenada, mideast.

that we know about... ..reagon..bush

Trickle down, all the bullshit lies from the wingers on how that benefits

americans? And now trying to escape from their insane inaction on

a genocidal disease. The bastards are plotting...

[malaise]

43. They are still plotting

On that we agree

[David__77]

24. I believe that there is much more to the coup attempt that occurred.

It’s not for nothing that just before the Capitol events, the former secretaries of defense issued a joint anti-coup statement. Trump was associating closely with people openly calling for a coup, like Flynn. Now is the time for all of the back story to come out, not later.

[malaise]

26. I agree

and truth will out

[crickets]

35. Agreed.

This is one of the reasons I think it would be a grave mistake to gavel through a Senate trial quickly and then let the whole matter drop to 'move on.' One of the reasons we've reached the place we stand today is because we keep moving on. This latest criminal crisis in our government came way too close to taking the country over the edge. We cannot move on, we have to take the time to deal with it or it will happen again and we will not be as lucky the next time.

[Tender hopper]

27. Probably due to his psychological weaknesses but a long term contingency coup plot nevertheless.

Remember the bus loads of Boston voters who stole the New Hampshire primary in 2016. There were the millions of illegal alien Hillary voters who stole the popular vote in 2016. There was the special commission to investigate voter fraud in 2017. Reminders to his base all through his presidency. And of course, crippling the postal service, claiming mail in voting isn't secure, downplaying covid to his base and encouraging them to vote in person. All so he could claim he was robbed and garner support for his coup. If it wasn't for the inertia of the federal government and the integrity of our flag officers and civil service IT PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SUCCEEDED. We were very lucky.
Serial killers have issues but are locked up. Maybe the Donald can share a cell with someone (wishful thinking)

[malaise]

28. Excellent post

Welcome to DU

[HipChick]

29. Still stuck at What was the plan after they killed and injured people?

Did they think they were just going to walk away and hand over the 'keys' back to Donald Trump or something?

[malaise]

32. Same here

It takes some serious arrogance to believe you and your goon are bigger than the entire system.

Something else on my mind - if ReTHUGs think this is OK, then disband the entire US military because there is no democracy to defend if they people don't believe in democracy.

I say that tongue in cheek because we know they are the backers of more than a few dictators on the planet.

[mackdaddy]

31. Donald Trump has been "the voting is Rigged" since the Emmy awards in 2004

NY time article

Yes, Donald Trump Thought the Emmys Were Rigged Against Him

https://time.com/4537809/donald-trump-emmy-awards-debate/

He and the Republicans were also the ones trying to rig the election!

Crippling the Post office to invalidate vote by mail votes to come in too late.

Limiting Ballot drop boxes.

Massive purges of Voter Registration lists.

Legal challenges to anything that make is "too easy" for minorities to vote.

Trying to strong arm State Elections officials to "find some votes".

And "Stop the Steal" WAS the Steal!

[malaise]

33. If he doesn't win everything is rigged

Great post

[Initech]

36. Trumpism is what happens when you mix toxic frat boy culture with toxic politics.

And the frat culture aspect of the Trump campaign and the fact that he attracted and exploited the worst people among us is what led to January 6th.

[Cha]

38. Yes, the Traitor is a stupid fucking Idiot

who got himself impeached because he was afraid of Joe Biden.

his FEARS were solid.

[moondust]

45. Kleptocrats.

The GQP probably likes the look of Putin's kleptocracy operating behind a facade of democracy with "voting" and everything. (Who counts the votes? Stalin knew that's what matters.). Maybe a Putin style kleptocracy is what the GQP has been shooting for, possibly even at Putin's direction in those secret meetings, etc. Donny gets to be Superczar and the inner circle of toadies get to be the loyal oligarchs.

March 2014:
Rudy Giuliani: Unlike Obama, Putin is “what you call a leader”

[coeur_de_lion]

47. He knew from the beginning, even before Biden declared

He was griping about Biden as an opponent for at least 6 months before he even declared his candidacy.

That's how I started to take an interest in Biden! Then as I got to know him (as a candidate) better I loved him.

No one else could have defeated the bloated orange pustule.

Biden is the anti-trump in every way you could think of.