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Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:09 AM

ICE Ignores Biden Order and Deports 22 Children and Babies to Haiti, Says Report

What the hell is going on? And why Haiti?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/ice-ignores-biden-order-and-deports-22-children-and-babies-to-haiti-says-report?ref=home

ICE Ignores Biden Order and Deports 22 Children and Babies to Haiti, Says Report
GONE ROGUE
Jamie Ross
Reporter
Published Feb. 09, 2021 6:53AM ET



Last week, the Biden administration reportedly ordered the suspension of deportation flights to Haiti in an attempt to assert its control over Immigration and Customs Enforcement. However, that effort appears to have failed. According to The Guardian, at least 72 people were deported to Haiti from the United States on Monday, including a two-month-old baby and 21 other children. Two flights were reportedly chartered by ICE to take people from Laredo, Texas, to the Haitian capital Port-au-Prince. The flights have angered immigration-rights activists, who had hoped for a kinder approach after Donald Trump left the White House last month. “It is unconscionable for us as a country to continue with the same draconian, cruel policies that were pursued by the Trump administration,” said Guerline Jozef, executive director of the Haitian Bridge Alliance. “I don’t know what’s going on between ICE and the Biden administration, but we know what needs to be done: The deportations must stop.” Haiti is in a state of political chaos after an alleged coup attempt has again roiled the hemisphere’s poorest country.

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Reply ICE Ignores Biden Order and Deports 22 Children and Babies to Haiti, Says Report (Original post)
babylonsister Feb 9 OP
lagomorph777 Feb 9 #1
Vogon_Glory Feb 9 #5
Phoenix61 Feb 9 #8
abqtommy Feb 9 #7
ananda Feb 9 #22
bdamomma Feb 9 #2
Hugin Feb 9 #3
SallyHemmings Feb 9 #4
uponit7771 Feb 9 #6
JI7 Feb 9 #9
Happy Hoosier Feb 9 #10
Mr. Ected Feb 9 #11
Turin_C3PO Feb 9 #12
bigtree Feb 9 #13
babylonsister Feb 9 #14
bigtree Feb 9 #16
babylonsister Feb 9 #17
Kaleva Feb 9 #18
bigtree Feb 9 #19
Kaleva Feb 9 #21
bigtree Feb 9 #23
Kaleva Feb 9 #25
DeminPennswoods Feb 9 #15
Vinca Feb 9 #20
Beaverhausen Feb 9 #24

Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:11 AM

1. Deport whoever disobeyed the order.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:22 AM

5. Or transfer them

If the people who gave the order like warm weather and big city lights, transfer them to some rural clime with sub-zero winter temperatures.

I understand that northern North Dakota is anything but tropical right now. Let them busy themselves coping with snow drifts and glaring at Canadians straying too close to the dividing-line.

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Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #5)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:18 AM

8. Completely agree. Much harder to fire someone.

Transfer top level leadership at every location to new offices.... in the absolute middle of nowhere. Slow walk getting everything needed to have an actual functioning office and I mean everything from internet service to toilet paper. The military is gifted at “quarantining” problem people I’m sure there are some vets who would be happy to help handle the situation.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:47 AM

7. I agree! Deport ICE, not children and babies!

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #1)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:30 PM

22. ICE needs to be stopped cold... NOW!!

!!!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:13 AM

2. ICE loyalists

embedded in the department all must be fired. This is not right at all.

Haiti is going through turmoil too, this is not right at all.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:16 AM

3. This action is part of the cover-up...

Getting rid of the witnesses.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:19 AM

4. I am stunned by the lack of fear.

It is clear these employees are not concerned about possible consequences.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 10:42 AM

6. Yeah, then it will be "general such and such ignores Biden...." LOCK THIS SHIT DOWN NOW !!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:20 AM

9. Shut it down

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:21 AM

10. How is this possible?

Union protections or not, the President has a clear Article II authority here.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:22 AM

11. So, there really IS a Deep State

AKA the debris Trump left behind.

It'll take a few months (at least) to excise this cancer from our government. Give Joe a scalpel and let's get it on.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:23 AM

12. I wouldn't be opposed to abolishing ICE.

Can Biden do it unilaterally?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 11:27 AM

13. on deporting people, this agency answers to the president, not the courts

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Response to bigtree (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:36 PM

14. Then they're breaking the rules. nt

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Response to bigtree (Reply #16)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:44 PM

17. Good to read, thank you!! nt

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Response to bigtree (Reply #13)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:02 PM

18. Until the court lifts the hold on Biden's order, ICE follows the rules in place.

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #18)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:21 PM

19. there's no rule in that order to deport anyone

..that's still at the discretion of the agency.

The court doesn't have some separate means deport to anyone, no budget for that, no real authority or ability to actually put anyone on a plane. That responsibility lies with the government agency, which ultimately answers to the president.

The Director of ICE is appointed at the sub-cabinet level by the President of the United States, confirmed by the U.S. Senate, and reports directly to the Secretary of Homeland Security.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #19)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:30 PM

21. Courts have the authority to put holds on president's orders in certain circumstances

It happened to Trump many times and we cheered.

An example:

"Court blocks Trump executive order allowing state and local officials to refuse refugees"

https://religionnews.com/2021/01/08/court-blocks-trump-executive-order-allowing-state-and-local-officials-to-refuse-refugees/

"Court Denies DOJ Request For Stay; Trump Immigration Order Remains Suspended"

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/02/04/513415447/airlines-again-board-travelers-barred-by-travel-order-as-trump-vows-to-fight

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #21)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:33 PM

23. that's different from deporting someone

...it's one thing to halt a deportation, or stop people from entering the U.S., it's quite another to order an agency of the president to put someone on a plane in contradiction to the wishes of the WH.

Think about the constitutional implications, not to mention the logistics.

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Response to bigtree (Reply #23)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:59 PM

25. Biden has the authority to replace the head of ICE

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 01:39 PM

15. Insubordination is a fireable offense

even with the many protections career civil servants have.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:29 PM

20. Time to start firing ICE officials giving this order.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Tue Feb 9, 2021, 02:35 PM

24. We recently started watching The Handmaid's Tale

Just the other night was the scene where an ICE officer denied the american wife of the canadian woman travel to Canada due to their marriage license no longer being valid.

Watching this series now is freaking me out.

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