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(102,137 posts)there is a surgical procedure to treat stupid. The marvels of modern medicine I guess.
hlthe2b
(102,137 posts)solvent-- including medical adhesive remover with a little acetone and aloe vera/olive oil to break it down without causing too much damage to the scalp. That he was a plastic surgeon was only necessary if there had been major scalp damage, which apparently there wasn't. Because she was so stressed out and the discomfort--along with the 4 hours required, he sedated her throughout. But arguably this wasn't really a medical procedure--though it could have required his skills had it been more severe.
ProfessorGAC
(64,860 posts)Every good chemist can figure out how to dissolve polyurethanes. And most can figure out what emollients to use to minimize skin drying.
I worked with A LOT of product development folks, so I'd have a wonderful idea on what would help the skin. Obviously, so would they.
I'm glad she'll be ok, but it didn't take a plastic surgeon to do this.
hlthe2b
(102,137 posts)procedure. He did apparently volunteer his services, which was nice of him.
I'm glad she got her issue resolved, but if she goes ahead and sues Gorilla Glue, I'm going to spit nails.
ProfessorGAC
(64,860 posts)Thanks for that! Pretty generous of the doc.
But, unless someone tried to peel it off prior, the biggest risk would be damaged hair.
Urethane based glues dissolve pretty readily.
To help the skin I would have used a different ketone & ethyl or isopropyl acetate.
It would take a couple more minutes to soften the cured glue, but much less drying.
I agree with you about suing GG. I've got a bottle of it on the table in front of me. It says, in 3 different places on the bottle, to not get it on skin. I don't know how they could have been clearer.
hlthe2b
(102,137 posts)and lack of oxygen to the scalp--which could have not only damaged follicles but potentially caused some scalp necrosis.
ProfessorGAC
(64,860 posts)Given the viscosity of the glue, and the rapidity of the cure (kinetic rate is under 50 millisends for the monomer to react) I truly doubt a large percentage of the scalp was coated. The hair, obviously.
I suppose she could have p greatly overused it, too. In which case there would have been time for liquid to spread before it began to cure.
This is such a strange story I shouldn't rule anything out.
One reason my opinion is so strong on this one is I also worked with adhesive chemists because my company made a few polyester polyols that are used in adhesives.
I know more about glues than I ever imagined I would.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)Ive had that stuff on my hands and rather than soak my hands in acetone I wait a day until natural skin oils loosen the grip.
Not good if you have a wedding or job interview to attend but I prefer the natural method.
Its nice she got someone to take care of it for free but wouldnt it grow out eventually?
ProfessorGAC
(64,860 posts)...if she used it too heavily and it dripped onto a large area of the scalp before it completely cured, she could get skin damage.
The scalp doesn't flex in multiple directions like our hands do, so there's little shearing force to break the polyurethane bonds.
While the oil helps (as you suggest) the mechanical force matters.
Hair has very little water, and most of the natural softening components are hydrolyzed proteins. These are more water, than oil soluble. So, they'd do a poor job of breaking down the glue.
No scalp damage? Yeah, let the hair grow. Live with short hair.
But, I'm guessing she overused the stuff.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,860 posts)mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)But she wants to be famous. Guess she succeeded.
How many other idiots will try this kind of thing?
forgotmylogin
(7,521 posts)hlthe2b
(102,137 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,860 posts)Honestly, the only difference between the sterile version and the consumer version is the documentation of the cleaning process between batches.
Bacteria can't survive in these formulas, and viruses should denature easily at the blending temperatures used.
The FDA has very specific rules about what steps need to be taken to call something sterile. These MUST be followed even if the system in inherently sterile.
Rules are rules.
In work I did on special antimicrobials, the reactor prep still had to follow those rules and the product molecule kills bacteria & destroys viruses.
There's no "but" with the FDA. Which is a good thing! No shortcuts.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Guessing someone in need somewhere has already googled and found it.
msongs
(67,361 posts)Trailrider1951
(3,413 posts)to help her with this mishap. When I think back to a couple of my hair mishaps...well, let's just say it took a while to grow it out. Also, I've used Gorilla construction adhesive in the course of remodeling my house. If the label says "Gorilla", you can bet it's some serious shit.
LeftInTX
(25,140 posts)Lash glue: Same stuff
Trailrider1951
(3,413 posts)Here's what's in lash glue:
https://www.selenaslashstudio.com/blog/lash-extensions-101-the-eyelash-adhesive/
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/cyanoacrylate-adhesive
And here is what is in Gorilla glue spray adhesive:
https://www.gorillatough.com/wp-content/uploads/Gorilla-Spray-Adhesive.pdf
Definitely NOT the same thing!
W_HAMILTON
(7,835 posts)Her hair was very short and basically sculpted to her scalp. You would have needed a razor to cut it, if you were to cut it at all.
Here, I went and found a picture for you:
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)crickets
(25,952 posts)What an awful experience to go through for a hairstyle. It was a dumb mistake, but I still felt very sorry for her, and I'm glad someone was able to help her keep her scalp in one piece along with a fair amount of her hair.
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)The scalp has pores. Clogged scalp pores cause problems.
In addition to the obvious stress she was already under and the damage the glue did to the hair itself.
I'm relieved for her. Happy for her. It could have gone so much worse.
Fix The Stupid
(947 posts)If "wypipo" is allowed to be slung around here with impunity, what is the equivalent in this situation?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Hav
(5,969 posts)I'd ask you to make a suggestion to let it out of your system as there is something that clearly bothers you. But I can almost guess the word...
Here, have a heart, maybe it helps not being so angry about stupid stuff.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,315 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... this is a slippery slope.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)What are you wanting to call her?
Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)nolabear
(41,936 posts)Really great info too, on what works if it happens to you. And by you, I mean me. 😃
Greybnk48
(10,162 posts)I saw this the other day and wondered if she was able to be helped. Thanks for posting this!
Retrograde
(10,130 posts)Reports I've read said she's 40 - not what I'd call a kid.
ellie
(6,928 posts)gollygee
(22,336 posts)Catherine Vincent
(34,486 posts)I never was a fan of hair glue. I know a few women that would use it but it just didn't appeal to me.
Anyway, this woman should have known the gorilla glue wasn't hair glue.
Raine
(30,540 posts)and hope others will learn from her mistake.