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Relieved to see house managers bringing up drumpf's 2015 incitements to violence at his rallies.
This has been PROGRAMMING of long duration.
He didn't NEED to tell the Jan. 6 rioters what his expectations were; he'd been grooming them since at least 2015.
In fact, I believe this is the strategy: plausible deniability. That is, some reptilian, sociopathic, narcissistic awareness of the danger TO HIMSELF in usinh incendiary words of physical violence immediately precipitory to the 1/6 attack. He didn't need to. Like Michael Cohen said .... his supporters and sycophants know what he means. Why? He'd been grooming them, programming them, for years ...
Irish_Dem
(55,825 posts)Incites criminal activity but keeps his hands clean?
cilla4progress
(25,622 posts)would certain assent to this.
Recall...Michael Cohen's explanation ...
Irish_Dem
(55,825 posts)While Trump skated.
Backseat Driver
(4,619 posts)A rape of anyone/any value (like democracy) is always about planned violence.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)form of hostile anchoring (or Neuro-Linguistic Programming).
The notion of anchoring emerged in NeuroLinguistic Programming [NLP] when Bandler and Grinder were first modeling the hypnotic techniques of Milton Erickson. Erickson often used or suggested particular cues as post-hypnotic triggers to help a person change his or her internal state or re-access a hypnotic trance. Grinder and Bandler generalized the use of these cues and triggers to include other types of internal processes, without the need of initially establishing a hypnotic state. By 1976 the first NLP anchoring techniques were developed.
https://cognitivebehaviormanagement.com/practice-tools-techniques/technique-30-anchoring/#:~:text=The%20process%20of%20establishing%20an,to%20strengthen%20anchors%20as%20well.
Listening to those clips from Trump rallies, and considering (as you point out) the extreme repetition, linking of words to feelings of rage ("fight", and the idea something has been "stolen" from them ) almost does come across as programming. Anchors are traditionally a positive thing, when we anchor ourselves, but can someone else anchor us to something negative?
cilla4progress
(25,622 posts)I think it would be powerful if the managers would use the word "grooming," or "programming." It would show that drumpf created this dynamic. Not only that he took advantage of it, and ultimately incited the 1/6 violence, terror and murder.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,205 posts)This is a serious question. What is wrong with me that even though I feel the Democratic team is bringing up great points, I cannot get excited because I know the repubs will acquit Trump. It's like I'm watching a mystery movie but I already know who did it!
cilla4progress
(25,622 posts)I think even the Dems / House Managers acknowledge what you say.
BUT: it's worth the effort to 1) document for history; 2) educate, inform, solidify with the public; 3) on ethical grounds - god's sake, people DIED in the insurrection - including LE; 4) last but far from least: THE REPUBLICANS WHO VOTE TO ACQUIT WILL FOREVER BEAR THE STAIN. They need to be shamed and their supporters tagged, shunned, and forever tarnished. This hearing is the predicate, basis for that.
I also think this is cathartic for the Members, and I think they feel they owe it to their staff, and to all Capitol employees.
It's the right thing to do, and worth it.
Hopefully it will have some impact going forward - it not to convict drumpf.
What do you think?
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,205 posts)All valid points. No way can I debate it.
cilla4progress
(25,622 posts)BeerBarrelPolka
(1,205 posts)And the civilized world will see the repubs do not. So in that sense, it's a good thing.