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Straight people stop doing this. (Original Post) demmiblue Feb 2021 OP
k/r fishwax Feb 2021 #1
It would be offensive as hell if used against a reasonable person Warpy Feb 2021 #113
The problem is that it tells closeted gay people FreeState Feb 2021 #118
I think it tells them not to be pious frauds who preach against civil rights for LGBT people Warpy Feb 2021 #125
See here in lies the problem FreeState Feb 2021 #128
A specifc name given a specific person by a specific group of people who presumably Warpy Feb 2021 #133
See here is the problem FreeState Feb 2021 #137
Lindsey is not that well closeted. keithbvadu2 Feb 2021 #138
Lots of usage (and excuses) for it on DU. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #2
Yep. It is very disappointing. demmiblue Feb 2021 #7
Yup. cwydro Feb 2021 #110
I so tired of the "It's the hypocrisy" defense. Behind the Aegis Feb 2021 #124
There is always push back against it FreeState Feb 2021 #121
I only wish I could comment. SlogginThroughIt Feb 2021 #130
I wish we would ban it Polybius Feb 2021 #143
+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 2 AmyStrange Feb 2021 #3
yes. no excuse to not understand, by now, that its offensive. bullimiami Feb 2021 #4
A dash of sexism mixed in with the homophobia. LizBeth Feb 2021 #5
That too, also! demmiblue Feb 2021 #9
Yep. nt crickets Feb 2021 #34
Agree. Homophobia usually includes sexism. SharonClark Feb 2021 #38
For sure, hand in hand. Because after all, what is a gay man but a weak woman, lol. Ya. LizBeth Feb 2021 #81
Thank you a million times. cwydro Feb 2021 #6
I find #FeralPoodle to be far more apprpropriate brooklynite Feb 2021 #8
OMG! LeftInTX Feb 2021 #39
Better call stephanie miller her and her hosts and guests all use it Fullduplexxx Feb 2021 #10
I don't listen to her, so no. Perhaps you can as an apparent listener. n/t demmiblue Feb 2021 #15
Does that somehow make it right for you? cwydro Feb 2021 #62
I didnt say it did . Fullduplexxx Feb 2021 #94
Oh, so that wasn't your point? What was then? cwydro Feb 2021 #98
My point was to point out that stephanie miller and her crew + her guests use that to refer to graha Fullduplexxx Feb 2021 #102
r&k Thank you. MerryBlooms Feb 2021 #11
It's also highly insulting to women. Squinch Feb 2021 #12
Thank you. n/t sarge43 Feb 2021 #83
EXTREMELY!!! ShazzieB Feb 2021 #100
Many don't care about that either. cwydro Feb 2021 #114
Exactly. Sometimes I feel like I'm speaking, but no sound is coming out. Squinch Feb 2021 #134
How about if we call him a "Lady G wannabe"? AmyStrange Feb 2021 #13
That's no better. Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #20
Gotcha AmyStrange Feb 2021 #26
It's one thing as a writing technique - Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #37
We can certainly agree on that AmyStrange Feb 2021 #43
No. cwydro Feb 2021 #63
I've already been lectured on it AmyStrange Feb 2021 #64
"Lectured." cwydro Feb 2021 #70
It's was joke, and AmyStrange Feb 2021 #75
Nothing about this is a joke. cwydro Feb 2021 #76
It is sad AmyStrange Feb 2021 #78
+100000000000000000000000000000000 x 4 AmyStrange Feb 2021 #79
How about... SlogginThroughIt Feb 2021 #131
Agreed AmyStrange Feb 2021 #135
I wouldn't use 'Lady G' for the SC senator because Vogon_Glory Feb 2021 #14
How 'bout Asshole? Does that work? theneworiginal Feb 2021 #84
I think Lackey or Lickspittle would be better choices Vogon_Glory Feb 2021 #89
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #16
We can avoid being homophobic even when there are other problems in the world. nt gollygee Feb 2021 #18
I wish Psaki had called him Lord rather than Lady because I'm sure she meant to indicate his Vinca Feb 2021 #33
Many of us can multitask. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #22
Anyone can insult Lindsey for a number of reasons. Can I call him an ugly man who would Vinca Feb 2021 #27
You clearly don't get it. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #30
Why is believing someone is gay homophobic? I'll ask again. Is being gay bad???? Vinca Feb 2021 #44
I also call people out for making fat jokes, Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #58
Get back to me when we see politicians we like being called gay when they haven't said they are dsc Feb 2021 #69
It is being used as an insult, whether you - personally - believe it is an insult Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #51
Okay, I'm throwing in the towel. I knew I shouldn't opine on such a thread, especially when Vinca Feb 2021 #55
Oh, you are one of those obamanut2012 Feb 2021 #60
Good idea to stop digging cwydro Feb 2021 #66
It is offensive Johnny2X2X Feb 2021 #17
Isn't assuming he's a "closeted homosexual" equally offensive? I think so. None of us knows Vinca Feb 2021 #45
We have no proof that he is LeftInTX Feb 2021 #46
Re: "But calling him a lizard person is accurate and fun for the whole family." NOPE hlthe2b Feb 2021 #19
You have a point. demmiblue Feb 2021 #40
I almost stepped on a skink once (didn't see him) - and he dropped his tail and ran. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #61
Brooklynite suggested: Feral Poodle LeftInTX Feb 2021 #52
Not sure you have to imagine--they'd not survive the day... hlthe2b Feb 2021 #53
They're actually pretty smart, but my grandmother's poodle was sooo demanding LeftInTX Feb 2021 #57
Many defending it on DU. They should be ashamed. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #21
Aye. I've said so before in these pages. Mister Ed Feb 2021 #23
It's sexist too BainsBane Feb 2021 #24
Yes!! It is also sexist. MontanaMama Feb 2021 #115
I don't use terms like these out of courtesy to others Gregory Peccary Feb 2021 #25
I can certainly understand your arguement... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #41
Didnt know he was being called Lady G but always found it offensive when he was called gay. Amaryllis Feb 2021 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Feb 2021 #42
Thank you, thank you, thank you! Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #29
A reference to Stephanie Miller.. notKeith Feb 2021 #107
K&R Solly Mack Feb 2021 #31
I think "Traitor G" suits him. FM123 Feb 2021 #32
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #35
Agreed. And thank you. IngridsLittleAngel Feb 2021 #36
Thank you. There is so much to knock him on. TDale313 Feb 2021 #47
This tweet puts it into perspective Mike 03 Feb 2021 #48
That is an excellent analogy. 👍👍👍 ShazzieB Feb 2021 #106
Personally, calling Graham a man is also insulting to ALL men! AmyStrange Feb 2021 #49
Your comment makes no sense to me. cwydro Feb 2021 #67
That's my point exactly... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #77
Well, I have been burned by this topic so I will tread carefully Miigwech Feb 2021 #50
It is not about protecting him Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #109
So just let him be the abuser ... zip our lips, he laughs all the way, younger folks need Miigwech Feb 2021 #139
I am both a member of the LGBTQIA community - Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #145
With all due respect...NOPE Baltimike Feb 2021 #54
You get a pass. maxsolomon Feb 2021 #82
Yep. But not just "straight people". We all need to understand why the "shade" we throw is offensive Caliman73 Feb 2021 #56
I'm perfectly comfortable calling him Leningrad Lindsey, though I have nothing against Leningrad. lagomorph777 Feb 2021 #65
Yep. Leningrad Lindsey is a good one. He certainly has some involvement with Russia. Caliman73 Feb 2021 #123
Thank you for those links. demmiblue Feb 2021 #74
To me, "lizard person" means gorn! ShazzieB Feb 2021 #119
Padma deleted her tweet: demmiblue Feb 2021 #96
It's why I quit calling people out on here about it obamanut2012 Feb 2021 #59
I'm not defending JK, but... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #72
You're Right ProfessorGAC Feb 2021 #73
Yup, and he doesn't want Trump to not like him obamanut2012 Feb 2021 #129
If I know gay people who say it's OK for straight people to say this... Silent3 Feb 2021 #68
Then they have given you permission to say it IN THEIR PRESENCE/TO THEM Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #120
Good advice. MineralMan Feb 2021 #71
Too late. At least 1 Liberal has used the term on social media, therefore maxsolomon Feb 2021 #80
Don Lemon is the best on Graham... Jon King Feb 2021 #85
Sorry, as a 50+ year old gay man, I take no offense to calling Graham Lady G. beaglelover Feb 2021 #86
I am guessing that since black guys call their black buddies "my Nigg*r" then it ia ok for every one LiberalArkie Feb 2021 #99
I've only ever seen or heard this here, oddly enough relayerbob Feb 2021 #87
It's the hipocrisy. Lunabell Feb 2021 #88
First - you don't know he is gay. Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #117
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #122
It actually doesn't mean you're gay. Ms. Toad Feb 2021 #126
True. Lunabell Feb 2021 #127
Post removed Post removed Feb 2021 #140
Thank you! Behind the Aegis Feb 2021 #90
I *wish* this was my biggest problem... dixiechiken1 Feb 2021 #91
Lady G is now trending... AmyStrange Feb 2021 #92
Totally agree. KentuckyWoman Feb 2021 #93
I happen to have small hands. Mr.Bill Feb 2021 #95
This is nonsensical. demmiblue Feb 2021 #101
I have teensy hands. ShazzieB Feb 2021 #108
Nicely stated. +1 demmiblue Feb 2021 #116
Non-female people, stop doing this Retrograde Feb 2021 #97
homophobic and sexist... using gender as a slur Demovictory9 Feb 2021 #103
And as much as Ann Coulter is reprehensible, calling her a man is also equally terrible Rabrrrrrr Feb 2021 #104
Thank you. Agreed. sarchasm Feb 2021 #105
I Just Refer To Him As Linseed COL Mustard Feb 2021 #111
I agree. Calling him rateyes Feb 2021 #112
It really is disheartening that this is still considered OK by people who would dsc Feb 2021 #132
+ eleventy bazillion Lucinda Feb 2021 #136
I didn't know it was Graham's nickname MissMillie Feb 2021 #141
OK I just thought it was insulting to women. milestogo Feb 2021 #142
Why would anyone call him "Lady" to begin with? Polybius Feb 2021 #144

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
113. It would be offensive as hell if used against a reasonable person
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:14 PM
Feb 2021

but using the name assigned by male sex workers in DC for a deeply closeted, anti LGBT civil rights Senator seems like appropriate shaming directed at a vicious fraud of a man.

IOW, I don't use it myself, but I don't think it's the hill I want to die on when other people do. I see it less as gay bashing and more as hypocrite bashing.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
118. The problem is that it tells closeted gay people
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:19 PM
Feb 2021

that there is still something wrong enough with them that can be used against them. No straight person should ever use it regardless of the target because its like a shot gun - it hits way more than the target.

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
125. I think it tells them not to be pious frauds who preach against civil rights for LGBT people
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:30 PM
Feb 2021

because that level of hypocrisy pisses people off and some will call them on it publicly. I'm not one of them, but I do understand it.

With Graham, I just have to wonder what happened during that round of golf with Dumdum that changed him from a Dumdum hater to an overnight Dumdum idolator. I suspect Epstein was in the mix somewhere.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
128. See here in lies the problem
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:43 PM
Feb 2021

Homophobia kills and there is never any excuse for it. Hate speech is never singular - it attacks a whole community.

Warpy

(111,237 posts)
133. A specifc name given a specific person by a specific group of people who presumably
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 06:47 PM
Feb 2021

know him well? I don't see it. It's the foul stink of hypocrisy, not anything he does sexually.

It's not my style, but it's not a hill I"m going to die on.

I'm far more interested in his overnight conversion to the cult.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
137. See here is the problem
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 07:34 PM
Feb 2021

You have a gay poster telling you how the LGBT community experiences hate speech but yet you persist to insist our experience isn't a reality. There are well documented studies that show homophobia isn't an act with a singular target.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
2. Lots of usage (and excuses) for it on DU.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:26 PM
Feb 2021

I've never really understood why it doesn't get more flak here.

Behind the Aegis

(53,944 posts)
124. I so tired of the "It's the hypocrisy" defense.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:27 PM
Feb 2021

No, if the topic were LGBT issues, then one could claim, still falsely IMO, it was about the hypocrisy, but the appellation is used all the time, for a variety of circumstances, therefore, it is not about the hypocrisy, it is about his alleged homosexuality and using it as a slur. I said further down in the thread, I have reached the conclusion that those who still continue to use this are really just using it because they can't call him a faggot and get away with it, so they get cutesy and use the "Lady G" moniker.

FreeState

(10,570 posts)
121. There is always push back against it
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:22 PM
Feb 2021

however majority rules on reported post. They almost never get hidden. That should tell us we have an issue but even pointing that out creates issues.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
81. For sure, hand in hand. Because after all, what is a gay man but a weak woman, lol. Ya.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:40 PM
Feb 2021

What I have found interesting, again, it seems the escalation of sexist slurs last couple days and the norm of it. All of this cannot happen without the justifications validations acceptance of the slur. I think the Karen is hand in hand with all of that. I as just listening to Farrow in an 18 minute tape having the conversation of connection with the racism being tapped.

Fullduplexxx

(7,852 posts)
102. My point was to point out that stephanie miller and her crew + her guests use that to refer to graha
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:44 PM
Feb 2021

That was all

ShazzieB

(16,357 posts)
100. EXTREMELY!!!
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:42 PM
Feb 2021

This is what drives me so nuts about it, not just the homophobia, but the misogyny that homophobia is based on. UGH

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
114. Many don't care about that either.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:15 PM
Feb 2021

They actually bristle if anyone dare hint they might be using a homophobic slur, and they cannot even comprehend that the slur is derogatory to women as well as gay folks.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
20. That's no better.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:37 PM
Feb 2021

Would it be accceptable to call someone an n***** wannabe?

Stop the word games and excuses. Implying a gay man is female (or wants to be) is homophobic and sexist.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
37. It's one thing as a writing technique -
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:44 PM
Feb 2021

It's quite another when it is done to justify continuing to use words and phrases you've been told are hurtful.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
75. It's was joke, and
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:30 PM
Feb 2021

-

please leave my attitude out of it.

She has enough problems dealing with me as it is.
==============

 

SlogginThroughIt

(1,977 posts)
131. How about...
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:56 PM
Feb 2021

How about we just call him a terrible senator who lacks the ability, or the knowledge, or the decency to do the job he was elected to do?

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
14. I wouldn't use 'Lady G' for the SC senator because
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:32 PM
Feb 2021

I LIKE Lady Gaga and wouldn’t dream of anything to besmirch her name.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
89. I think Lackey or Lickspittle would be better choices
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:21 PM
Feb 2021

Calling people of that sort an a-hole implies that they still habe some vestigial vertebrae somewhere.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Vinca

(50,258 posts)
33. I wish Psaki had called him Lord rather than Lady because I'm sure she meant to indicate his
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:43 PM
Feb 2021

apparent quest for some kind of royal status in the eyes of King Donald. I honestly don't believe she intended it to be a homophobic slur. If she admitted she did, then clearly I'm mistaken.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
22. Many of us can multitask.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:38 PM
Feb 2021

Personally, I can disapprove of more than one thing at a time. But that's just me.

"And why, in a way, should that be insulting?"

It's used as an insult. Are you saying that insinuating that Graham is homosexual as an insult shouldn't be seen as insulting?


Vinca

(50,258 posts)
27. Anyone can insult Lindsey for a number of reasons. Can I call him an ugly man who would
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:41 PM
Feb 2021

have to pay for sex with anyone of any gender? Can I call him a slobbering fool of a man who worships a false idol? Can I call him a disgrace among the ranks of veterans? Can I call him beady-eyed and resembling a rat? Because he's all of those. Apologies to rats.

TwilightZone

(25,456 posts)
30. You clearly don't get it.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:42 PM
Feb 2021

Put simply, insinuating that he's gay is homophobic. You're seriously having trouble grasping that simple concept?

You think it's the same thing as calling him a rat?

I'm beginning to understand why it gets used a lot on DU.

Vinca

(50,258 posts)
44. Why is believing someone is gay homophobic? I'll ask again. Is being gay bad????
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:48 PM
Feb 2021

I don't think so, but it seems a whole lot of people do. Does being gay mean one isn't able to let a word roll off their back? How many people in a tizzy about this have made fat jokes or geezer jokes or ugly people jokes? Maybe we should just exist mute and no one would ever be offended.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
58. I also call people out for making fat jokes,
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:01 PM
Feb 2021

ablist comments, ageist comments, etc.

Believing someone is gay is not inherently homophobic.

Acting on that by referring to a man using female pronouns and titles as an insult is homophobic. No one on DU who is using the terms is using it to celebrate the fact that he is a gay man. They are using it as an insult, expressly using being gay as a bad thing. Otherwise it doesn't work as an insult.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
69. Get back to me when we see politicians we like being called gay when they haven't said they are
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:20 PM
Feb 2021

I suspect I will be waiting a very long time.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
51. It is being used as an insult, whether you - personally - believe it is an insult
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:54 PM
Feb 2021

It is a serious matter.

Lesbian, gay, and bisexual kids are 3x more likely than straight kids to attempt suicide at some point in their lives.

Medically serious attempts at suicide are 4x more likely among LGBTQ youth than other young people.

African American, Latino, Native American, and Asian American people who are lesbian, gay, or bisexual attempt suicide at especially high rates.

41% of trans adults said they had attempted suicide, in one study. The same study found that 61% of trans people who were victims of physical assault had attempted suicide.

Lesbian, gay, and bisexual young people who come from families that reject or do not accept them are over 8x more likely to attempt suicide than those whose families accept them.

Each time an LGBTQ person is a victim of physical or verbal harassment or abuse, they become 2.5x more likely to hurt themselves.


https://save.org/about-suicide/suicide-facts/

We are told directly - and through comments like this which are clearly used as insults - that we are not worth the space we take up. That being gay is disgusting, evil, and so on. That wears on us - especially when we are younger. Many internalize the hate and consider/attempt suicide - or self-harm.

When we hear our friends use those terms to insult other gays, our own thoughts are, "so that's what they would think of me, if only they knew," or "I thought I could trust that friend - but now I know it's just an act." So now not only do we believe we are bad, but we know we can't even turn to our friends for support.

Vinca

(50,258 posts)
55. Okay, I'm throwing in the towel. I knew I shouldn't opine on such a thread, especially when
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:59 PM
Feb 2021

it annoys me the word "gay" can no longer be used to describe someone as happy. So, I'll go back to thinking about the lesser problems in life: half a million dead Americans, democracy on the edge and economic collapse.

Johnny2X2X

(19,024 posts)
17. It is offensive
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:35 PM
Feb 2021

I don't use it and think it's childish and hurtful to use it.

But Graham is the worst, he's a closeted homosexual with power who uses that power to harm homosexuals. He deserves no respect, but using this term for him is disrespectful to others, so knock it off.

Vinca

(50,258 posts)
45. Isn't assuming he's a "closeted homosexual" equally offensive? I think so. None of us knows
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:49 PM
Feb 2021

what he is for sure and I'm sure none of us want to find out.

LeftInTX

(25,224 posts)
46. We have no proof that he is
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:50 PM
Feb 2021

And I think no one really cares at this point.....

20 years ago, this would have been a thing...

At face value, he's a 65 yo bachelor with some effeminate features....


However, he sure has the vapors when it comes to Trump and he's all over the place.....

hlthe2b

(102,205 posts)
19. Re: "But calling him a lizard person is accurate and fun for the whole family." NOPE
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:37 PM
Feb 2021

I happen to like lizards. They serve an incredibly important role in our ecosystem, are not typically aggressive--except to survive--and do not justify destruction of our world via unchecked climate change nor our democracy.

Most definitely NOT the alternative comparison for Lindsey, who has none of those attributes.

demmiblue

(36,838 posts)
40. You have a point.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:45 PM
Feb 2021

Although, I was quite traumatized as a child when I tried to catch a lizard and its tail falled off. I was subsequently placated upon learning that it would grow back!

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
61. I almost stepped on a skink once (didn't see him) - and he dropped his tail and ran.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:07 PM
Feb 2021

It made me sad, but I knew he'd grow it back.

LeftInTX

(25,224 posts)
52. Brooklynite suggested: Feral Poodle
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:54 PM
Feb 2021

I'm in stitches...

My grandmother had a poodle and that thing.....
I can just imagine a "feral" poodle....

hlthe2b

(102,205 posts)
53. Not sure you have to imagine--they'd not survive the day...
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:56 PM
Feb 2021

Talk about breeding/nurturing out any possible survival skills.

LeftInTX

(25,224 posts)
57. They're actually pretty smart, but my grandmother's poodle was sooo demanding
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:01 PM
Feb 2021

That thing had to be the center of attention...

Every time my grandmother and I would have our gossip sessions, girl time or whatever you call it, that thing would hop on the couch and get right between us and twirling in circles....Super disruptive and jealous...

Mister Ed

(5,928 posts)
23. Aye. I've said so before in these pages.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:38 PM
Feb 2021

It's really easy to do. When you feel like calling Graham "Lady G"... don't.

Presto! Done.

MontanaMama

(23,302 posts)
115. Yes!! It is also sexist.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:15 PM
Feb 2021

Calling a man a "lady" isn't meant as a compliment. There are dozens of ways this happens in society.

Gregory Peccary

(490 posts)
25. I don't use terms like these out of courtesy to others
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:40 PM
Feb 2021

But the aggressiveness of the language police is pushing some people away from the Dem message.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
41. I can certainly understand your arguement...
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:46 PM
Feb 2021

-

Personally, calling Graham a man is also insulting to ALL men!
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Amaryllis

(9,524 posts)
28. Didnt know he was being called Lady G but always found it offensive when he was called gay.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:42 PM
Feb 2021

He may well be gay but that has nothing to do with anything and it implies that part of his problem as a human is that he is gay. It is a slur.

Response to Amaryllis (Reply #28)

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
29. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:42 PM
Feb 2021

It is disgusting how many people on DU are excusing it because gay male sex workers (supposedly) call him that, or becuase he is a hypocrite, or a Republican.

Deliberately misgendering anyone is transhostile.
Using a name other than the one they choose to use is transhostile.
Using female pronouns and titles to refer to a gay man as an insult is both homophobic and misogynistic.

notKeith

(138 posts)
107. A reference to Stephanie Miller..
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:01 PM
Feb 2021

..and gang using the term "Lady G". If this is okay:

And a gay person using it doesn’t give you, as a straight person, permission to use it.

it doesn't absolve the abhorrent nature of the term.
Irrespective - no, I don't use this slander against Graham. That being said, he's a spineless coward, and a major-league hypocrite.
I suspect that since he did the 180° turn from "unfit for office" (2016) to being Trump's lapdog -- Trump must have some serious shit on this horrible person.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

 

IngridsLittleAngel

(1,962 posts)
36. Agreed. And thank you.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:44 PM
Feb 2021

I'm so tired of the "Lady G" bullshit. While there are few things that warm my heart more than blasting Lindsey Graham, resorting to homophobia to do it is totally not cool. No sane person would tolerate using something racist to attack David Clarke. Why is "Lady G" A-OK for Graham?

There are far better names for him. I'm rather fond of Leningrad Lindsey myself. I also just had "Trump Toady" pop into my head. I'm sure there are many others.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
48. This tweet puts it into perspective
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:52 PM
Feb 2021



Hey suzanne, how would you like it if you and your life were used as an insult against others? This isn't just Yashar. This is pissing off & offending millions of people would wide. Calling him Lady G is EXACLTY the same as Trump calling Liz Warren Pocahontas. You a Trumper?





 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
77. That's my point exactly...
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:33 PM
Feb 2021

-

Thank you.

Why are you doing this? What did I ever NOT do for you?

By the way, I agree with the OP. It's insensitive and people should stop.
=============

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
50. Well, I have been burned by this topic so I will tread carefully
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:52 PM
Feb 2021

as a LGBGTA American I don't see why we need to protect Mr. Lindsey for his personal activities when it involves our Civil Rights. For example ... why should we protect someone who is say ... a secret adherent to the KKK? When we protect one aspect of of a criminal, we protect all of it .... I say pound the fucking hell out of this man because he deserves nothing less ... take off the gloves, there is no time left to do our nails! Please, don't hate me!

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
109. It is not about protecting him
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:11 PM
Feb 2021

It is about not using my life as an insult.

It is about not sending the message to millions of LGBT youth that being gay is something to be ridiculed - or a tool for ridiculing othef - both of which contribute to the sky-high suicide/attempted rate among gay youth.

It is about telling these same LGBT youth that they can trust you not to ridicule them for being gay.

Beat him up all you want. Just don't use my life to do it.

 

Miigwech

(3,741 posts)
139. So just let him be the abuser ... zip our lips, he laughs all the way, younger folks need
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 01:38 PM
Feb 2021

TO GET WOKE .... lindsey is playing you .... he uses the religious RW money and props at every election not to mention his KKK dog whistle lies .... listen to the OLD SCHOOL FOLKS WHO STOOD ON THE FIRST GAY PROTEST LINES IN NYC AND BOSTON >>> YOU FIGHT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE AND LINDSEY IS HIDING BEHIND A LIE THAT PROTECTS HIM AND I WILL PROTECT THAT LIE .... SORRY !!!!!!! TRUTH OUT ... FUCK RIDICULE .... we old folks stood up to fucking ridicule and much worse for our whole lives so don't even try to lecture us because we paved the way for you with broken lives and dreams, suicides, drug and alcohol abuse, mental illness caused by society, broken families .... OUR GENERATION PAVED THE WAY for you. I don't need no sermon from anyone. May not be real for some but this is fucking real for me. STAND STRONG LGBTQIA people, we don't need to be protecting the likes of lindsey .... he is playing us. He lies so show the truth ... simple.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
145. I am both a member of the LGBTQIA community -
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 06:56 PM
Feb 2021

AND old enough to remember Stonewall.

Mimicking the abusers actions only turns us into abusers - and perpetuates the damage such abuse has done done to LGBTQIA people for decades. Both the identity of the person is flinging homophobic/transphobic/sexist insults - and the specific target they are flung at are completely irrelevant to the harm such insults do to individuals within the LGBTQIA community who encounter them - especially youth who are often not yet confident enough to reject what their friends, communiy, and family tell them about LGBTQIA people.

Refraining from using hateful insults is not synonymous with zipping our lips - or with letting him be the abuser. Do you seriously think the only way of condemning Graham is to use homophobic insults?

Attack him for what he does - not for who you believe him to be.

Baltimike

(4,140 posts)
54. With all due respect...NOPE
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 02:56 PM
Feb 2021

I refuse to bring a pen to a gun battle and then not use ALL of the words to fight it.

My membership in the LGBTQ community is not tethered to Mr Ali's approval. I have many gay/bi/tri friends who whole heartedly agree.

Nor anyone else's for that matter.

Caliman73

(11,728 posts)
56. Yep. But not just "straight people". We all need to understand why the "shade" we throw is offensive
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:00 PM
Feb 2021

I have said that about "Lady G" or "Miss Lindsey". The insults to Graham stem from basically insinuating that he is gay, or a woman, or effeminate in some way. The insult is that "As a man, you shouldn't be those things.."

Also Padma Lakshmi is treading on some thin ice there too. "Lizard person" seems harmless but it may have roots in anti-Semitism.

https://www.varsity.co.uk/comment/11782

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/qanon-s-capitol-rioters-nashville-bomber-s-lizard-people-theory-ncna1253819


Lindsey Graham is a moral coward, a bootlicker, and a political parasite. He is a shit person.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
65. I'm perfectly comfortable calling him Leningrad Lindsey, though I have nothing against Leningrad.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:16 PM
Feb 2021

(St. Petersburg).

But homophobic slurs are disgusting. Full stop. Using any aspect of somebody's natural identity (or putative identity) as an insult is disgusting. Decent liberals won't engage in this behavior.

Caliman73

(11,728 posts)
123. Yep. Leningrad Lindsey is a good one. He certainly has some involvement with Russia.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:25 PM
Feb 2021

I agree that using other identities as an insult is horrible. We do have to remember though, that these are things that have been taught to MANY MANY of us since we were children. I remember hearing, "Come on, you throw/punch/run/etc... like a girl" as admonishment for poor athletic efforts. I certainly didn't want to do anything "like a girl" as a young boy or adolescent. It took awhile to figure out why that insult was offensive (sexism/misogyny). Or we grow up hearing, "that is so gay" and "you're retarded" and think little of the association and comparison. I am not saying that it is acceptable in any way, but it will take time and effort from each one of us to unlearn what has been engrained socially within us.

obamanut2012

(26,064 posts)
59. It's why I quit calling people out on here about it
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:02 PM
Feb 2021

That and DUers defending JK Rowling have left me angry, sad, and exhausted.

Lady G is sexist and homophobic, period.

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
72. I'm not defending JK, but...
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:26 PM
Feb 2021

-

being raised in a sexist culture, it wasn't an easy adjustment for me to make either.

Being here on DU has helped a lot.

Personally, I don't associate a creative person's politics or biases with their work, but that's just me.
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ProfessorGAC

(64,989 posts)
73. You're Right
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:26 PM
Feb 2021

First, who someone else has sex with is not my concern. In any way.
Second, Graham's sycophancy can't be based on compromising sexual information. Its 2021, not 1951. A hundred million people would just shrug off finding someone is gay.
His obsequiousness just has to do with dirty money & they've got the receipts to keep him in line.
Being poor & possibly in prison is WAY scarier than being outed.

Silent3

(15,190 posts)
68. If I know gay people who say it's OK for straight people to say this...
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:20 PM
Feb 2021

...are you not allowed to argue with them too?

Who's the ultimate authority here?

I don't identify as a gay male, but I have sucked cock a few times. Does that give me half a vote on the matter?

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
120. Then they have given you permission to say it IN THEIR PRESENCE/TO THEM
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:22 PM
Feb 2021

iF ONE (or even several) Black people gave you permission to use n*****, would it be OK for you to fling it around in public as an insult?

maxsolomon

(33,284 posts)
80. Too late. At least 1 Liberal has used the term on social media, therefore
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:39 PM
Feb 2021

all Liberals, straight or otherwise, are guilty of it.

It will be weaponized by the RWNM until the heat death of the universe.

Jon King

(1,910 posts)
85. Don Lemon is the best on Graham...
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:56 PM
Feb 2021

Don Lemon constantly trolls Graham, goes into his "oh the vapors" act.

beaglelover

(3,465 posts)
86. Sorry, as a 50+ year old gay man, I take no offense to calling Graham Lady G.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:58 PM
Feb 2021

Stuff like this gives democrats a bad name, IMO.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
99. I am guessing that since black guys call their black buddies "my Nigg*r" then it ia ok for every one
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:41 PM
Feb 2021

to say that.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
87. I've only ever seen or heard this here, oddly enough
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:04 PM
Feb 2021

I would never use it, besies too many syllables. I just call him "Asshole"

Lunabell

(6,078 posts)
88. It's the hipocrisy.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:07 PM
Feb 2021

He is a self loathing gay man who has a penchant for prostitutes. It's the hypocrisy of being an anti-gay, "family values" senator who votes time and time again against the LGBTQ community.

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
117. First - you don't know he is gay.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:18 PM
Feb 2021

That is something only he is capable of knowing and, to my knowledge, he has not made his sexual orientation public.

Second - EVEN if he is, you can call him out on his hypocrisy without using my life as an insult.

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #117)

Ms. Toad

(34,059 posts)
126. It actually doesn't mean you're gay.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:33 PM
Feb 2021

No more than all of the gay men over the years who married (and had sex with women) were heterosexual - or even bisexual because they had sex with someone of the opposite gender.

Engaging in sex acts with someone of the same sex does not determine your orientation - it is merely a description of the sexual acts you have engaged in. Graham is the only one capable of knowing and declaring (or not) his sexual orientation.

Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #117)

Behind the Aegis

(53,944 posts)
90. Thank you!
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:24 PM
Feb 2021

Clearly there are some that don't won't get it. So, I will put it another way, it is simply a way for some, especially on the left, to call a suspected/possible gay man a "FAGGOT", but make it "cutesy". Just because gay men use, doesn't mean straight people can use it. Seriously, that I even have to make that statement is fucking maddening!

 

AmyStrange

(7,989 posts)
92. Lady G is now trending...
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:28 PM
Feb 2021

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"Lady G" has been trending on Twitter all day, but it has nothing to do with Lady Gaga. It all started after gay adult film star Sean Harding tweeted this: “There is a homophobic republican senator who is no better than Trump who keeps passing legislation that is damaging to the lgbt and minority communities. Every sex worker I know has been hired by this man. Wondering if enough of us spoke out if that could get him out of office?” Harding followed up the tweet by saying, “I cannot do this alone. If you’d be willing to stand with me against LG please let me know.” The only senator with the initials LG is South Carolina’s Lindsey Graham, a Republican senator who has been in office since 2003 and is known for supporting anti-gay policies. Twitter has also associated his name with the trend, as seen in the screencap. “Lady G” is reportedly the nickname that the senator is known by among sex workers. Graham has not commented on the allegations and there has not yet been any evidence presented to back up the claims.
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ShazzieB

(16,357 posts)
108. I have teensy hands.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:10 PM
Feb 2021

It's kind of a pain sometimes (for example, I have a hell of a time finding gloves that fit). But fortunately for me, people with ridiculously small hands are not an oppressed minority in the U.S. (or as far as I know, any other). I've never heard of anyone being deprived of employment or housing for having small hands, and when I got married, no one refused to bake a wedding cake for me because of the size of my hands. Never heard of anyone being small hand bashed, either.

Making fun of Trump's small hands is not even kinda sorta almost in the same ballpark as using homophobic slurs.

Retrograde

(10,132 posts)
97. Non-female people, stop doing this
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:31 PM
Feb 2021

As a woman I feel insulted that a seemingly large section of the population thinks that referring to or implying a biological man is a woman is ok.

Rabrrrrrr

(58,347 posts)
104. And as much as Ann Coulter is reprehensible, calling her a man is also equally terrible
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 04:48 PM
Feb 2021

or any insult that is based on someone's sexuality, body shape, or looks.

Stop it.

COL Mustard

(5,897 posts)
111. I Just Refer To Him As Linseed
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 05:13 PM
Feb 2021

I'd never heard the term "Lady G" but wouldn't use it anyway.

Linseed is far more appropriate IMO, with linseed oil and all.

dsc

(52,155 posts)
132. It really is disheartening that this is still considered OK by people who would
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 06:22 PM
Feb 2021

never, not ever, consider using membership in any other minority group being used as an insult as OK. While I don't want to see Ms. Psaki to be fired for her tweet about Lindsey Graham, it is literally unimaginable that if she had called him a secret Muslim she wouldn't have been cashiered forthwith. Or imagine if she had said he secretly had the blood of African American blood and called him a 'thug' while doing so, again fired by end of business. But here, she is still being defended by the majority of liberals as far as I can tell.

This isn't about hypocrisy or any other virtuous notion. It is about a contemptable man, who since he is contemptable, it is just hunky dory to insult him by calling him gay. When I was young it would be faggot, faggot, faggot. Now it is Lady G, Miss Thing, and I am sure in some quarters faggot still. I am not asking for a retroactive standard of justice to be applied to current figures, but demanding an apology and a change of behavior seems to be a reasonable ask. It really does. It also seems a reasonable ask that liberals understand this isn't cool. It isn't nice. And yes, it still causes real harm to real people in real places.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
142. OK I just thought it was insulting to women.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 02:45 PM
Feb 2021

Its like when the army boss yells at his reports and calls them girls or ladies - its meant as a put down.

Polybius

(15,373 posts)
144. Why would anyone call him "Lady" to begin with?
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 02:49 PM
Feb 2021

Even if he is in the closet, he's still a man and not a lady.

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