⭐️⭐️**Thread 2****Day 3 TRUMP INSURRECTION ****** 🇺🇸🧈

[underpants]

Last edited Thu Feb 11, 2021, 03:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Thread #1 with links to PBS and CSPAN.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=15091301

[DoBotherMe]

1. Knr

[Lars39]

2. Good gawd that idiot woman Molly on CBSN is a rw toady

[crickets]

3. TRUTH - MSNBC commentary just made the point that the reason we are here today

is because the Senate did not hold trump accountable in the first impeachment.

[Lars39]

4. Castro up!

[Lars39]

5. Foreign agents in crowd?

Possibility brought up

[irisblue]

6. Nat Security Issues.+Castro just quoted Rubio to Rubios face

btw....🌵Rubio

[crickets]

10. Yep. The implications are not good.

The Capitol has always been open to the public to a degree. I would hate to see that change.

ata - The optics are not good for us either. We lost a lot of world standing that day, even more than trump had already managed to lose for us.

[Lars39]

7. Sounds like they're still trying to figure what sensitive info was taken.

[bdamomma]

8. Thank you

underpants for the threads.

[bdamomma]

11. The world is watching

is correct. But I'm sure those like Hawley and Cruz do not give two cents.

[nolabear]

12. The depiction of damage in global terms is brilliant.

Our enemies informed, our allies alarmed. The cultists believe we’re able to go it alone somehow. They’ll find out differently of course but the GQP is going to use it as long as they can.

[crickets]

13. "Call it off" - why use this phrase?

It acknowledges a plan to be cancelled rather than an unforeseen event to be stopped. I could be reading more into than was intended, but it struck me odd that this particular phrase is used.

[crickets]

16. Another good point made re this phrase

Link to tweet

Ali Zaslav
@alizaslav
House Impeachment Manager Rep. Castro makes the argument that if Trump didn’t incite the riot, then why were so many in Congress publicly and privately pleading with the former president to "call it off"
7:10 PM · Feb 10, 2021

[Mersky]

14. Placeholder for Castro's section

I’ve gotta catch up!

[Mersky]

15. Neguse now speaking

[IcyPeas]

24. Neguse used the word "POWDER KEG"

That is exactly what dtump created.

[Mersky]

17. Flarge! Lots of interruptions for me today

Will add comment here later

[Mersky]

18. Raskin is up!

[Mersky]

19. Like Neguse before, Raskin is addressing the defense's free speech argument

[crickets]

20. Pointing out that free speech does not allow trump to violate his oath of office.

That sums it all up right there.

eta - Raskin later directly calls out trump for inciting violent insurrection in his closing remarks.

[crickets]

22. No first amendment protection for speech directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action

Brandenburg v. Ohio

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandenburg_v._Ohio

Brandenburg v. Ohio, 395 U.S. 444 (1969), was a landmark decision of the United States Supreme Court interpreting the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.[1] The Court held that the government cannot punish inflammatory speech unless that speech is "directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action".[2][3] : 702

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1968/492

Brandenburg, a leader in the Ku Klux Klan, made a speech at a Klan rally and was later convicted under an Ohio criminal syndicalism law. The law made illegal advocating "crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform," as well as assembling "with any society, group, or assemblage of persons formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism."

[Mersky]

23. Thank you, crickets!

[Lars39]

21. Lieu is up!

[crickets]

29. Just saw MSNBC bio blurb - didn't know until now that Lieu is a former JAG.

Glad they chose him. He's been doing a great job. The entire team is stellar.

[Lars39]

32. I'd forgotten he was.

Definitely the A team

[Mersky]

25. Lieu arguing against objections to the trial over reasons of due process

[Mersky]

26. Raskin is up!

Eta - explaining that impeachment is not a criminal or civil proceeding. No prison or fines will come of convicting of such in the Senate.

And if this doesn’t rise to the level of impeachment, what does?

[crickets]

38. Also, not finding him guilty will set a "new, terrible standard"

for presidential misconduct in the United States of America.

[EndlessWire]

27. They have hit

all the points that I wanted them to hit, including a picture of Ofc. Hodges getting crunched in the door.

I sure would like to know who wrote all these amazing speeches. Surely they didn't write them all themselves?

I think this trial is over by EOD tomorrow.

[Lars39]

30. Most are trial lawyers

So they probably did write them.

[Lars39]

28. Neguse up!

[EndlessWire]

40. Start vetting Neguse

I see President Harris and VP Neguse...I sure like listening to this guy.

[Lars39]

44. He's a hit in our house, too!

[IcyPeas]

31. so aside from the First Amendment defense.....

they are going to be comparing trumps crowds with the BLM protests. Has anyone mentioned BLM protests?

[Lars39]

33. I may have missed a mention, but I don't remember hearing any

[crickets]

35. I'm behind and haven't gotten to this part yet

but the Repubs have been threatening to use BLM protests in a both siderist argument. Tackling the subject before they have a chance to bring it up may take the wind out of their sails on that.

[IcyPeas]

37. that's what I was hoping too

[crickets]

58. Listening to closing comments from Raskin now.

They did not address this after all, so I assume they will deal with it in their final remarks after Repubs have presented their arguments. It's just as well they didn't borrow trouble beforehand by discussing it. There's no guarantee what the Repubs are going to say given they have so little to work with.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

51. I've been waiting for national guard issue. But you know what I read? That BLM

Pic that everyone has been circulating was taken AFTER rally. No idea if that's true but interesting.

Something is very fishy about the NG deployment. Cap police head Sund said he asked for guard 6 times. ArmySec/ pentagon says no one asked.

[crickets]

59. There was no in-depth discussion about NG response either, which was a little surprising.

I'm thinking perhaps there is a very involved investigation going on right now, and they didn't want to step on that.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

64. Yes there is. Honore in charge I think. Read some on the subject.

What's interesting is that the National Guard is not a rapid response group. Like guard members are literally at home or at work. In other words, not good for "get your ass down here asap, we've got trouble."

But they could have been called in before.. prearranged. DC mayor did that... But just for traffic. She has no jurisdiction over Capitol.

[Mersky]

34. "The violence on that day was entirely foreseeable."

Yes, that has been made abundantly clear.

[IcyPeas]

36. Laura Ingraham: the other side does it morning noon and night

you can bet they are going to show videos of every dem saying things against trump

Link to tweet

[Mersky]

39. "Standing in that powder keg, did he light the match?"

Answers his question by rolling the tape of tRump at the Jan. 6 rally where he repeats the need to stop the steal as the crowd chants back, fight for tRump! fight for tRump!

[Mersky]

41. Just laid out the point that tRump argued and lead his followers to believe:

That when you catch people engaged in a fraud, you can play by different rules.

Then cut to the video of giuliani at the Jan. 6 rally calling for trial by combat, for which tRump immediately praises him for his bravery.

[Mersky]

42. "He cared more about turning over an election than saving lives."

[Mersky]

43. For five hours during the attack he did nothing, but issue messages in the afternoon that sided

with the attackers. (paraphrased)

[Mersky]

45. There are two parts of his dereliction of duty:

1. What he did to Mike Pence - singled him out by tweet at 2:24 pm, during the attack

2. When the police were still being attacked, still barricaded with poles - he tweeted that he loved the attackers

[marlakay]

46. House managers have been great

They made the point absolutely clear if anyone open to it. They will let him off but hopefully enough people watched this and realized what Trump did.

[Mersky]

47. "If his crimes are to go unanswered, who's to say it won't happen again."

Final remark by Neguse

[Lars39]

48. Raskin closing up 5 or 6 hours under time allotted

[Laura PourMeADrink]

52. Yes. He should. Getting repetitive.

[Lars39]

49. Raskin giving. Short history lesson

Love his mind!

[IcyPeas]

50. will the defense start this afternoon?

[bdamomma]

54. no defense

until tomorrow.

[IcyPeas]

55. thanks.

[Mersky]

53. Raskin implored those who objected to the trial

based on the question of Constitutionality, to let that go not only because it is without merit, but because it is besides the point as they are tasked with hearing out the prosecution in a trial in which they are sworn to participate.

___
That’s a really rough paraphrasing.

[Mersky]

56. The prosecution rests, and the Senate is adjourned until 12pm ET tomorrow.

[IcyPeas]

57. underpants.... I've been waiting to ask...... what's with the 🧈

🧈

[Mersky]

60. Made me laugh, but I'm also curious if the butter's a joke I missed

Otherwise, kudos to underpants for the leading emojis — hearts yesterday, and then stars today — helped me get back to the page with a sea of tabs opened.

[underpants]

62. Thanks

I put that in there today as a Butter Emails reference joke.

[Mersky]

63. I did think of

buttery males & not just because I’ve barely eaten a thing today. Am gonna go fix that.

Thank you for the threads these days - really made it easier for me to follow along!

[underpants]

61. For some reason it was in my most used emojis

I threw it in in a Butter Emails kind of joke. I can’t believe anyone noticed.