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Nevilledog

(50,986 posts)
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 09:52 PM Feb 2021

I say go for it......move to exclude absent jurors.



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Harry Litman
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Here is the ultimate hardball move.It’s just a thought experiment here, though not much worse than what McConnell has done in the past. Move to exclude the 16 jurors who weren’t present. Apparently 15 were Rs. That would then mean 56 to convict,.
6:26 PM · Feb 11, 2021
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I say go for it......move to exclude absent jurors. (Original Post) Nevilledog Feb 2021 OP
Got my vote. marble falls Feb 2021 #1
Is that possible? KewlKat Feb 2021 #2
Ask Mitch. Nevilledog Feb 2021 #3
Why not? Give the real cowards a chance to vacate their responsibility. OAITW r.2.0 Feb 2021 #4
Great idea Tumbulu Feb 2021 #5
Not possible TwilightZone Feb 2021 #6
It's very possible, actually. Goodheart Feb 2021 #7
"Present" means present during the vote. There is no requirement they be present at any other point StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #8
Since the Senate makes its own rules ... Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #13
That would be impossible to enforce StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #14
Aren't you glad voters are not crazy enough to elect me Senator? Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #16
You would be a huge improvement over a lot of the people who are getting elected... StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #17
Thank you. We -really- need to raise that bar! :D Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #18
I meant it as a compliment, but I guess that's not really much of a compliment, is it? StarfishSaver Feb 2021 #19
The argument that they're going to stay away is and has always been ridiculous. TwilightZone Feb 2021 #9
Certainly true, but not "impossible". Goodheart Feb 2021 #10
The Senate sets its rules, not pundits, the public, nor news media. Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2021 #12
Twitter replies: Rhiannon12866 Feb 2021 #11
I say, "Let's have a vote on it". kentuck Feb 2021 #15

OAITW r.2.0

(24,286 posts)
4. Why not? Give the real cowards a chance to vacate their responsibility.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 09:55 PM
Feb 2021

If it gets a conviction, I am OK with this.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
6. Not possible
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 10:05 PM
Feb 2021

"However, unlike criminal trials, there is no way to remove a Senator for showing impartiality. Since this is an inherently political process, our legal and political experts said that it is expected that Senators should act with political allegiances or biases. "

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/verify/verify-are-senators-required-to-be-impartial-jurors-during-impeachment-trial/65-4d2847d1-a65b-4ed7-9e97-b093741c9245

Goodheart

(5,307 posts)
7. It's very possible, actually.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 10:09 PM
Feb 2021

The Constitution specifically states that conviction requires 2/3rds of the Senators PRESENT.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
8. "Present" means present during the vote. There is no requirement they be present at any other point
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 10:11 PM
Feb 2021

during the trial.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,239 posts)
13. Since the Senate makes its own rules ...
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 01:26 AM
Feb 2021

The Senate can decide to exclude from the floor those members who wear a squirrel on their head while refusing to wear a mask. Just an example, of course.

I wouldn't dream of suggesting the Senate take a vote to make a rule to exclude from the impeachment trial vote those members who have not attended the trial every day or who have failed to be attentive and in order during presentations by both sides.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. That would be impossible to enforce
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:42 AM
Feb 2021

And a terrible precedent.

Senators not have to be on the floor in order to hear the proceedings. Members and Senators often closely monitor proceedings from off the floor - in their offices, cloakroom, various rooms just off the floor, etc. This is occurring even more during COVID. And being on the floor doesn't mean they're listening or paying attention and being off the floor doesn't mean they aren't.

No other proceeding required a Senator to have been glued to the Senate floor throughout the proceedings in order to vote. This doesn't and shouldn't, either. And not only because it would be a nightmare to enforce.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,239 posts)
16. Aren't you glad voters are not crazy enough to elect me Senator?
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 03:31 PM
Feb 2021

On the other hand, they elected Moscow Mitch and the Gangsters Of Putin.

TwilightZone

(25,426 posts)
9. The argument that they're going to stay away is and has always been ridiculous.
Thu Feb 11, 2021, 10:18 PM
Feb 2021

It's a pipe dream. They're not going to stay home en masse any more than they're going to vote to convict him.

Why would they? They *want* to acquit him.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,239 posts)
12. The Senate sets its rules, not pundits, the public, nor news media.
Fri Feb 12, 2021, 01:19 AM
Feb 2021

The Senate decides how to conduct itself and how to discipline its members.

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