Day Four of Impeachment Trial - The Greater Darkness and Lesser Light
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Just blatantly political vengeance…divorced from facts…no thinking person could seriously believe his speech ws incitement to violence…nothing in text encouraged condoned unlawful action…he only told them to exercise rights patriotically and peacefully…slanderously said DT tried to “interfere with counting orf EC…” OH Horseshit.. The lawyer Vander Veen makes me puke…just wanted universal ID, proof of citizenship, not scraping ballots…just proper civic process…went to courts…OH TRUMP IS AN HONEST MAN YOU STUPID VOTERS…HRC claimed Russia stole the election.
A montage of Black Congress men and women objecting in 2016…and 2000 Dems went to SCOTUS as designed…DT was peaceful…gathering was supposed to be peaceful…DT spoke at 100s of rallies no riotous behavior…celebrating rule of law…constitution…law and order…clips of mad dems wanting to punch them in the face.…
Extremists hijacked DTs peaceful groups. ANTIFA guy arrested first. Released (that was the one with the PB brother who Seattle BLM already ID'd as a provacateur) Law enforcement courageous, but lacked good security…violent rioters BLM in the summer…
Just as I predicted… "ANTIFA ate my homework" (a tweet someone made)
“If you don’t fight like hell” is ordinary language in politics…he did not incite but the Dems and national news media did says this lying snake oil salesman…called DT a Russian spy (asset), Pelosi called him imposter and traitor…Last summer in Portland BLM attacked sustained attack…Pelosi called the cops stormtroopers…”
When GOP scared a Dem said cry me a river…Dems should be impeached… censured… expelled…not DT…he is law and order. I need a break to swear $@^%#&(#*((
Violence looting ges against all DT said…hatred of left for trump driven them to skip due process and urgency, waited to gain control of Senate… Catch 45… DT had no opportunity to review charges due process…denial of opportunity to test the integrity of evidence before barring him from office disenfranchise…
Why did we never see the films ahead of time…Pelosi called for investigation 9/11 style to determine causes…then how can they be blaming TRUMP…OH SCREW THIS mountebank and charlatan Schoenboober (whoever)…SQrew a Non…lies about the TWEETS now…So no evidence… pretending that TWEETS are not Trump…or lied on tweets...need to swear again #$^%*&)*((}*^%$#@#
Oh "calvary not cavalry" we now must believe….ASSHOLE lying I saw the tweets…Peaceful and patriotic…DT butter couldn’t melt in his mouth … he is the day’s hero…Democrats incited the riot compared to DTs optimistic patriotic words...the people misspelled tweets. The Calvary is coming? LOL. Assholes.
Charlottesville lie…fine on all sides…protestors there to protect their statues…Neo-Nazis bad but others bad on other side in black with weapons…but Neo-Nazis had a permit...two sides of story...Fight primary members of Congress, not attack…TURN THE TABLES...always our fault...
A bunch of clips of Dems saying they'd like to punch DT in face.... Me too moment...The Bully Bunions pull out campaign speeches and find times Dems say FIGHT...
FALSE EQuivalence...FIGHT OF OUR LIVES...found every instance of saying the word FIGHT over and over...all calmly stated use of the word FIGHT...not screamed spittle inflected use of the word as DT et al did on 1/6... PROPAGANDA 101....Moment of hate....Orwellian....This is Bannon-level BS...
NOTE: Politics of the English Language...by Orwell,,,how to use words as propaganda..to create reality...
BACK to blaming big scary BLM...anger incited by right...
500 instances of Dems saying FIGHT...while DT is an angel of calvary...DT claims an election stolen…but Dems did in the first impeachment (uh I believe CIA and FBI supported this charge)...
They depict HRC, Pelosi and Maxine over and over...baiting the base.... Orwell's 10 minutes of hate...
Dems are being smeared...rinse repeat ad nauseum...will these shitass lawyers from their shithole country STFU already? I almost would prefer the GQP managers the 4 Horsemen of the Dumopolypse... Democratic HATRED of POOR innocent rightwing groups...
Allowed to second guess his intent...go after poor pathetic victim presidents like DT.Context matters. Inflammatory from both sides mostly our side.... Not whataboutism...Democrats want to "punch" DT. Over and over they depict this....BAIT BAIT BAIT ...Use all the instances that Democrats upset by DTs crimes to suggest DEMS are BAD.
NOTE: JUST what KKK and Neo-Nazis tell their followers to do....bait bait until someone gets mad, then smash their face with steel-toed boots...We have seen this tactic before I CAN'T BREATHE. Stand your Ground...when does this bottom-feeding lawyer tell us DT was nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize...
No one can impeach if you did nothing wrong.... Now lawyer saying the 180+ constitutional lawyers saying DT guilty threatening his job by speaking...partisan law professors are bullies...Biggest pity party ever heard... is he going to get teary-eyed next? They want DT here without lawyers NOTE: He would be better off...Recall Rudy at 4 Seasons Landscape Co.
SQrew A Scoundrel...is using Civil rights voting intimidation as a defense of DT??? Oh the shamelessness...
NOTE: DAMN NOW I WANNA PUNCH HIM IN THE FACE...)(&(^)^%$%#^#$^&*)(
He is bringing up draft card burning to defend DT..."Klaatu barada nikto" Attack TOBAR ATTACk.
NOTE: If you ever rob a bank, call this guy for your lawyer....he'll prove the earth is flat...
I may have to stop...he's making me want to punch myself in the face now....
Free speech now...is he going to evoke Berkley Free Speech movement? Patty Hearst? The Symbionese Liberation Army? Quote the Chicago 7? We are in LALA land...
His figurative speech no different Democrats used about BIG LIE of stolen election. Hypocrisy. 2016 and 2020 the same...We accused poor pitiful DT...he did opposite of asking peaceful action at the rally...(except he screamed it like a rabid dog). OMG we edited poor old DT? He only said FIGHT 20 times but he smiled when he said it.....made freaking jokes...
NOTE: I rec'd my own thread. Such a bad Democrat...
Our indignation is false, he says. BOTHSIDEISM...NOTE: Democrats use the term in calm mannered way....except HRC who they play over and over... Their tone totally even keeled. DTs tone like a general exhorting his rabble to battlecry a lynch mob -- a spittle screamed exhortation by DT -- by Rudy -- Don Jr. -- BY RUSH --by Lou Dobbs...
NOTE: Oh thank god I get a break from this horseshit...ALL I can say about their skills as filmmakers with the FIGHT montage, they are no Lincoln Project or Midas Touch.Tapper called it a Sean Hannity MIXTAPE...
NOTE: We will hear FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT until our teeth rattle...A shameful disgrace of a defense...I agree with Trump this time -- I wouldn't pay these jokers either.
to be cont.
They clipped every example of a Dem saying fight since BIRTH OF A NATION.Many are fighting for health care fighting for social...fighting for voters, not screeching to a lynch mob.
They sped up the word over and over 100s of times. That is propaganda 101. Ask Orwell. Ask that neo-nazi shithead Bannon the Putin operative who with Rove is even now at DT's side.
Orwell said you can change meanings of words this way, create reality with words.
He is promising that it is only going one more hour....G'damn me.
Now DT denounces his base calls them "those criminals..." NOTE: Guess they don't expect to solicit donations or get votes from that group again....most pro cop, anti mob pres in history...so that MOB not his real supporters? Hatred? Politics made that part of dynamic...
BAIT BAIT BAIT TURN THE TABLES... Trump stands for Law and Order while Maxine Waters, Pelosi and Biden want to fight.... Dems used selective editing???? WTF???
I am starting to only hear the sound that adults make in Charlie Brown cartoons: WAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA....
Easy to see why their base is so ignorant. Blind leading clueless...
NOTE: Had to change title to Day Four...Wishfuk thinking....Trump saying his base " stronger smarter and gosh darn I like you..." His disdain for violence, his words misunderstood... Now he steals from Stuart Smalley?
Stark contrast between honest Dems and this Toe-Jam leaning on a podium...(not Pelosi's)..
REPEAT A LIE OFTEN ENOUGH AND LOUD ENOUGH AS STALIN AND GOEBBELS TAUGHT THEM...
Violent criminals already assembling...he called for peaceful rally...(NOTE: FBI says cellphones show rallies marched from DT's speech to riot)...
PRE-PLANNED ASSAULT...GET READY FOR THEM TO BLAME OUR SIDE....BLM came disguised as potbelly MAGAs. Not Trump's riot, bad people did it.... TRUMP MERCH sells out at BLM and ANTIFA rallies, right?
When DT asked Georgia to FIND votes, he meant real ones. Signature verification in public...Not blackmail at all... FIND is now going to be finely parsed...
Why don't you want to FIND means investigate not create votes... How long before he says he only asked the mob to go FIND the Colonel's Secret Recipe?
Dems trying to disenfranchise DT...take his rights...eliminate a political opponent, subvert will of voters. Promised UNITY, Covid relief...oh they promise to deliver us from their BLATHER. YAY. criminalizing viewpoints....
NOTE: Constitutional Cancel Culture? How about Constitutional Consequences?
GQP must resist urge to do this when they are in power again...
He's going to finally STFU.
Q&A
Did DT incite the mob?
Castro: DT assembled, led the mob...spread LIE after LIE...months of grooming...our vote is our vote...DT call to action 18 days prior...for 18 days directed the rage... to stop transfer...fight to the death... extremists amped up, primed...FBI warned of weapons...he tweeted 34 times to get ready to Stop the Steal... Storm was coming...At Save Ame3rica rally...Rudy said TRIAL BY COMBAT...DT pointed at Capitol and ordered FIGHT LIKE HELL....
Graham/Cruz question: Does politician raising bail for rioters encourage more rioting. A: YEs.
Sen. Warnock Ques: Is it T or F months leading to 1/6 that courts rejected argument of vote. Raskin: A: True. He has right to go 61 straight cases. All swing states. Nothing to overturn election or irregularities...intimidating and bullying, summoning assembling mob crossed over...
Collins/ MurkowskiGOP Ques: When did DT learn of breach of Capitol? When did he try to stop the rioting? A: Don't know...Dec. 21st...but no investigation. (using the Catch 45 argument again) ... no evidence... hearsay... process denied. (SO NO ANSWER).
Rosen Dem Ques: 1/6 antisemitic PB lay siege, one in Camp Auschwitz shirt, did he know his rhetoric could incite... A: Plaskett says he not only tolerated but refused to condemn...cultivated actual violence by these groups...told them to stand by, he tweeted of video I love Texas after car caravan tried to run bus off road, burned churches he said we have not begun to fight... the pattern of practice encouraging never condemning...all showed at 1/6 he organized... cultivates, and they were violent. Months of grooming the rioters... to stop the Senate from counting EC...called Cavalry not Calvary...he knew they were armed violent ready to fight...he knew violence they were capable of....DISQUALIFIED.
Scott and one from Tenn GOP Q: 200 at the Capitol held accountable, so isn't it political showtrial to shame DT and 74m. voters? A: These people descecrated the bldg...he is no longer in office...just to embarrass him...to stop him from holding in the future...
Markey and Duckworth Dem Q: WEhen did pres learn of breach and what steps did he take to stop violence? A: President has intell, reports, knew severity of threat and knew Cap cops in fight for life. He did not send NG. Why not do anything 2 hours...what time did he not condemn just ignore.
Romney and Collins GOP Q for both: when DT sent Tweet 2:24 PM, was he aware he had been removed for safety? Dems A. Said Pence did not have courage to stop count...everyone knew LIVE TV the mob had weapons, chaos, people begging for help...he did not help. did not acknowledge...no dispute Tommy Tuberville called DT and said to president they just too VP out I have to go. VP and family still in danger... GOP A: No. Did not know...he is lying that he repeatedly asked then to go home...TOO MUCH TOO LITTLE TOO MUCH TOO LATE.
Klobachar and Casey Dem Q: You relied on past impeachment cases, if we do not convict what message sent to future president and congress? A: Incited armed attack to overturn election thwart count...Cops unprotected. Congress unprotected...calling families...while people on FBI watchlist rampaged...even desecrated Lewis's statues. World is watching...standing by standing ready...they showed black women over and over to try and rouse the crowd... Define who we are....everyone has right to vote defines as country...today an historic moment.
Lee GQP: Does it allow impeaching former officials...A. not allowed...
Cali Dem Q: Big lie undermine election built on lies and CT. How did these lies lead to radicalization? A: Months of inciting...to make them angry...purpose.. of saying rigged, stolen...his victory is stolen...74m voted for him. We all want to win but he did opposite of what is expected...he did not let people decide, he wanted to whip up mob last chance...took over Senate and almost HOuse. A woman who believed died. A CAp cop died that day, 2 took own lives...do we believe this is OK to do all over again? Dangerous Never seen before...
Fight to the death quote DT made...
Cramer GOP Q: Could Senate disqualify a sitting president...and not remove. GOP A: No. Attacks Castro instead of answering...I had 2 days to look at evidence...but he knew the president didn't say said Dems would fight to death...(so rhetorical?)...misrepresented!
DEM A: Irrelevant t question asked... 8 convicted, 3 disqualified historically MAJORITY rule can disqualify. Or 2/3 to convict....
Markey Dem Q: Did they raise objections to votes after insurrection after asked to make objections to delay certification? A: ...no one had stormed before, did not know how to do...due to his actions. Chaos. Reforming EC but no violence...
GOP Q: Has Potus tolerated antisemitic behavior? Or defended Israel? A: The fictional speech needs to stop...you are doctoring evidence...
Bernie/Warren Q: House prosecutors say over and over he repeated BIG LIe. are prosec right? A: he lost in court 61 times. Mitch said so too. System determined. EC has spoken. Sometimes disputes. Trump would not stop. Peaceful Trans of power.. Why we are here. GOP A: My judgment irrelevant...but I think irrelevant if he won or not. Riot, incitement all.
House managers will not answer that questions...He wanted peaceful patriotic protests. Zero evidence he did anything else. Premeditated. He didn't do it.
Johnson GOP Q: 1/6 predictable or foreseeable? Why didn't cops stop it? Turn down request for NG... Gop A: Cap cops didn't ask DT for help. Need investigation...have evidence... Dem A: If you have evidence we wish to see. DT had access to all info...he knew...undiluted. 2 hours after attack. Mayor could not deploy. DT did not tell anyone he was sending help...did not defend the capitol of the country...
Moran Dem Q: If pres spins lie and stokes fury and invites violent groups to interrupt count, fails to defend, send help and express glee, is he guilty of inciting if he says after be peaceful Dem A: Lie...endangered all workers, senators, cops...he stoked it, then later said stay peaceful...never said stop. 1100 words, peaceful once...fight 20 times...he incited them...rigged he said...if you rob a bank and yell respect private prop after not defensible.
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Cruz GOP Q : legal: foreseeable, willfully, encourage...new standard? Did Harris incite too? Dem A: Raskin said she did not incite or encourage violence...Nothing to compare to never had violent attempt to overthrow government...they say it's appropriate behavior. We say no. Get real we know this is what happened...Lansing...MAGA 2 , president cheering at it. How gullible do they think we are? GOP A: Appropriateness as a standard...Legal law Brandenv=berg. Explicit or implicit. They don't get past that. No evidence. Imminent use of language incites...Harris protected inciting in other instances.
Murray Dem Q: 6:01 these are things when election victory stripped away from patriots. adding they go home. How relevant to his guilt? A: Pres didn't call guard...did not try to stop he had time to do something...hours went by...he said remember forever...commemorates it...he foresaw. got what you deserved for trying to take it from me. Hold accountable or possible continuation...we recall brave cops, dead ones, devastation done....
Lousiana GOP Q: Accidently erased section... But why didn't president help Pence? GOP A: No time to investigate...A Dem: They had DT to ask. He refused to appear so in civil court it means guilt...
Manchin DEM Q: was he aware...A DEM: was aware but did not care.... offered lawyer, chance to testify... refused... thus according to civil court is admitting guilt
Valasco GOP Q: House managers not required to provide a defendant help. A GOP: New House precedent not to offer due process...Any can be denied process...no lawyer...got information the 9th...(3 days after 1/6)...
Blumenthal DEM: does defense meet standard of proof? A: 140+ law profs. A slur...prominent across spectrum...said their arguments frivolous... His guilt..incited. it did cause it...watched on TV turns on heat on Pence, when he starts crying about it...The free speech rights of klansmen to burn a cross is standard of proof they are using...
GOP Q: Did they contradict own conclusion by showing attack 20 minutes before end of speech? GOP A: Yes...Brandenberg is an incitement case...not elected officials...protection for speech...not like fire chief or cop...does speech incite lawlessness. No. Majority will impeach you if you do this...
Cardin D Q: Respond to last ques. Did not want to swear in Bond. SNCC sworn in. DT violated law of office,. DT' doing. He inflamed to retain power and be pres. verturn election...
GOP Q: Voting to convict new precedent is it not true future house could Lock her Up? To and disqualify. Dem A: Juristiction decision is over. Did it while in office Impeched in office...No bearing.. GOPQ: YEs. This could happen a SOS. or anyone...not how it works..
Bennett Dem Q: Pressure to uphold rule of law, What happens if they don't? A DEM: DT put them under pressure. Georgia specifically.. michigan.. they got threats of firing sqads...DT escalated... Public private pressure.exact number he needed...
SORRY I am crosseyed...
GOPQ: JAnuary exception A GOP NO. Must commit crimes in office... DEM Q: Inviting it to happen again and again..
Giving Eugene Goodman a Congressional medal of Honor.
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"Lies about the TWEETS?" 
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