The Senate Republicans have miscalculated . This akin to the Iran war vote. It will follow them-

[Demsrule86]

destroying their presidential aspirations...Nikki Haley's decision to turn on Trump now has me wondering it this is the case. We know she wants to run for president in 24. She is not stupid.

[PJMcK]

1. Wouldn't it be remarkable if this is a turning point?

Imagine if enough Republicans finally see the writing on the wall and vote to convict!

I know it's highly unlikely. Still, I have my hopes...

[Demsrule86]

5. I don't think they convict although I hope the do to...but wouldn't it be nice if this vote

disqualifies them from running for president...Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley...both traitors who don't belong anywhere near the White House...Tom Cotton and whoever else who refuse to convict are not fit hold office...and maybe this vote will stop one or more of them.

[Demsrule86]

10. Do you suppose it was the evidence at the trial or maybe there is some new internal poll?

Just a week or so ago she was order folks to leave Trump alone...hmmm

[Eyeball_Kid]

11. The GOP is probably on the road to a permanent fracture.

There is no "moderate" leadership to marginalize the Trumpers.

If GOPers convict, the split with Trumpers will be irreparable. If they vote to acquit, they hand over the party to Trump, and the GOP will have committed suicide.

That's quite a choice, but it's one of their own making. Choosing to allow Trump to lead was for short term gain with no consideration for the medium and long term. They messed up badly. Now they will pay.

[Demsrule86]

12. I agree and this all started long ago with Reagan... His idea of scary words...

" I am from the government and here to help you". If you don't believe that government can be used for legitimate purposes...than you are on a path to destroy it. The Republican Party must die so our Republic can live.

[lame54]

2. She isn't?

[Demsrule86]

3. No, consider how early she left the Trump administration.

[lame54]

7. In a Steve Bannon way..

Not a Michael Cohen way

[Demsrule86]

9. That is true...

Although she left of her own volition...wasn't Bannon forced out?

[dsc]

4. the only person destroyed by the Iraq vote was Hillary

and gee what a coincidence, she is the only woman.

[comradebillyboy]

6. Sad but true...

[Demsrule86]

15. It was certainly part of it. But we had a very divisive primary and the GOP has spent

years destroying Hillary...I hear way more 'but her emails' than anything about the war vote. And Stein took votes that Hillary would have won without her being on the ballot IMHO. I also think the second announcement by Comey play a huge roll in Clinton's loss. I hate Comey and will until the day I die. I want Biden to fire the entire New York Office too...they were leaking shit all during the election.

[Demsrule86]

8. Hillary did not lose because of the Iraq vote IMHO...but it dogged both her and Kerry.

And it was brought up this year by multiple primary candidates as a way to attack Joe Biden...in a different year I think it would have worked. And remember that vote was almost a decade ago...this vote will be fresh in 22 and 24.

[dsc]

14. It certainly cost her 2008

[Demsrule86]

16. Yes I think it cost her votes. But consider Florida and Michigan lost their delegates...this was a

close primary, and she might have won had the DNC not punished those two states.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. Yeah. I don't think that it really hurt the GOP

at least not in the short term. The Iraq War vote was much more difficult for Democrats than it was them at the time, when the public had just been traumatized by 9/11 and we were looking for some payback, even if it was misdirected.

[Demsrule86]

18. But Democrats should consider that many of them who now feel the war was wrong supported it

at the time. 9-11 caused a blood bath for Democrats in terms of elections...Max Cleland lost in 2002. Many good Democrats went down. And given what happened in 2000, I don't think Bush would have been reelected in 2004 without the war.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

20. I don't think that many of them actually wanted war and many of them said so at the time

and I don't know that Bush wouldn't have gone to war either way, but it ultimately conferred some degree of legitimacy on what Bush ultimately did.

[Chainfire]

17. When this is over, I would contribute to a monument

That would include the names and states or residency of all of the people who voted to acquit trump. A wall of shame and dishonor, to be erected in a prominent place in D.C.

[Demsrule86]

19. That is not a bad idea...they are after all worse than Benedict Arnold.