❓❓❓***Qanon & Aholes session -- TRUMP - INSURRECTION ***** 🏈

[underpants]

Link to threads 1&2

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215098079


Can we please leave Ben Roethlisberger out of this?

[Lars39]

1. Castro up, listing time line how trump incited his base

[Lars39]

2. There will be 4 hours of questions

[Lars39]

3. Does a politician raising bail for rioters encourage more rioters? Yes

[crickets]

4. Warnock asks a great question about court cases:

Isn't it true that court after court rejected attempts to overturn election results for Joe Biden? (paraphrased)

[Lars39]

5. Warlock asks:t or f...dozens of courts overturned trump's suits...61

Raskin answering.

[Mersky]

6. Question from collins and murkowski:

Exactly when did pResident learn of the breach of the Capitol, and what specific actions did he take, and when did he take them?

[Mersky]

9. Van der veeeen says his actions go back to December

Last edited Fri Feb 12, 2021, 08:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Because that makes sense

Finished with a whining due process was denied.

[crickets]

7. Collins and Murkowski: What did the president know and when did he know it?

Gist of their question: When did the president find out the Capitol was breached and what action did he take and when? Be specific.

Answer from trump's team is 'hearsay! hearsay!' - they didn't really seem to answer it.

[nolabear]

8. Could he have known his rhetoric would inspire violence?

So the argument is how stupid is he?

[crickets]

13. They're giving a good answer

reemphasizing the clear pattern of trump encouraging violence from his supporters and getting it. Also pointing out how specific trump was about time and place. Corrected the 'calvary' nonsense.

[nolabear]

17. I literally spit-laughed at that Calvary thing.

[Mersky]

14. Plaskett responds, relating how tRump tweeted praise

To his supporters threatening campaign buses in Texas.

___
I saw that tweet the day he sent it

And as a Texan it was chilling - I drive that stretch of highway on a regular basis. They easily could have wrecked and killed people that day.

[Wawannabe]

10. Could not answer the Collins Murkowski ?

And then ripped off his glasses and yelled at the camera like a fucking coocoo!

O. M. G.

Could not even BEGIN TO ANSWER THE ?

You are a lawyer and we can tell all questions have been rehearsed and known ahead of time!

Dumbfreedumb dumb!

[underpants]

12. No where near answering the question. That's a no no too

Hawley does it all the time. You speak to the body there not to the camera. Used to be people got called on that.

[Wawannabe]

22. Interesting that no one can answer

Timeline of “when did he know” may never be known.

[underpants]

11. Plaskett SHADE! "Cavalry not calvary"

[Tommy_Carcetti]

15. Plaskett is very good at what she does. nt

[Mersky]

16. Foghorn answered a question

And I took a mini nap

Anyone else catch that?

[underpants]

18. Market and Duckworth reask Collins and Murkowski question

When did he learn of the breach and what did he do about it?

[crickets]

20. So smart to do this!

If the trump won't answer the question, the House team will.

[Mersky]

23. "You saw a Capitol police officer still fighting for his life at 4:29"

[crickets]

19. After all of the sidestepping from the trump team

a question is re-asked - sent to the House team. When did the president know about the Capitol breach, when did he take action, what action was taken?

Great! By re-asking the question to the House, it might actually get answered.

[underpants]

21. Great move. I wonder if they coordinated.

Or if Markey and Duckworth just reasked the question.

[dweller]

26. When they submitted the question

they attempted to qualify that it had not been clearly answered,
but Lahey cut them off for whatever reason


✌🏻

[Mersky]

24. Question from Romney to both sides:

When tRump sent a disparaging tweet at 2:24pm was the president aware that the VP had been removed from the Senate by the Secret Service for his safety?

[Mersky]

27. Castro answers that tRump called tuberville shortly after 2pm

Asking him to delay the certification

[Mersky]

29. Veeeen expects us to believe tRump was never informed of pence being in any danger

[crickets]

31. The lies come easy, eh?

There also seems to be a lot of table pounding with little substance.

[crickets]

30. Here's that Tuberville phone call again.

House response was clear and concise about the timing.

trump response is that that he knew nothing, devolves into whining about trump being impeached at all. Crazy.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

28. Whoa... We should have had a count for negligence in aftermath

Made him look guilty as hell... But good point!

[Mersky]

32. Group of Dem Senators: If we do not convict tRump's, what message does that send

To future presidents and congresses?

[Mersky]

34. Plaskett calling them out for their racist clip montages

Singling out especially women of color speaking about issues and policy.

[crickets]

35. She is amazing, doing a really good job.

"There are moments that define us as a country. Today is one of those moments. History waits for our decision."

[bdamomma]

33. I'm not watching

but I heard on Randi Rhodes podcast now, the defense is trying to isolate tRump from the rioters insurrection, like tRump had nothing to with it. Am I correct with that assumption?

[Wawannabe]

36. Threw them all under the bus

bdamomma

[bdamomma]

38. Oh boy

Will we see those who he threw under the bus seek revenge???

[underpants]

37. Their defense is more of - everyone says things

They had a video of Dems saying “fight” trying to equate it with what he did. That’s my take anyway.

[bdamomma]

39. oh yeah

I read that from the 1st thread. So Castor is trying to sound more forceful and believable???

[underpants]

43. van der Veen has taken more of a role today

Castor has spoken but it’s pretty clear he got moved back in the batting order.

[Mersky]

40. Padilla asks: How did tRump's plot to undermine the 2020 election lead to radicalization

of so many followers and the resulting attack?

[crickets]

42. Sorry, I'm your echo today! Oops. nt

[Mersky]

45. Oh hey, please echo away

I’m lagging today, so tired - friends who can’t afford to rent a motel room came to stay with us during the ice storm. Lost their jobs and surfed to our couch last night. Had to ready a room, so as to maintain social distance.

[crickets]

41. 2 questions: 1/ to trump team about Constitutionality of trump's impeachment.

Guess their answer!

2/ to House about the Big Lie - how did this plot to unconstitutionally keep trump in office lead to radicalization of trump's followers and the resulting attack on the Capitol? Castro answering.

[Wawannabe]

44. Now he is having a fit about

Two days is all I had to prepare!

I think it is Castor. I don’t care.

[underpants]

46. van der Veen - nothing at all to do with the question

That had to be longer than 2:30 of a response

[OneGrassRoot]

58. I just tuned in. WTF was Castor talk about?

Doctoring evidence???

From what little I've seen off and on it seems like, to no one's surprise, it's the biggest gaslighting platform ever.

[Lars39]

47. "That's not how things are done." Really?

Let’s talk about Senators conferring with him then.

[Wawannabe]

48. Regular networks going to stop covering.

NBC last one to cover on reg tv

[dweller]

49. PBS

is still covering

✌🏻

[Wawannabe]

51. Thanks!

Didn’t know

[crickets]

50. I don't even know the question just asked, but it doesn't matter.

The man currently (literally) dancing on the stage is not addressing a question, but personally attacking Castro and the House team. He actually did an angry dance. I don't even care what else he had to say, that was a complete disqualification of the answer. Wow.

[dweller]

54. and he's still at it

not answering question, and attacking Raskin
🤬

✌🏻

[Mersky]

52. Sen Warren asked a question and I will get it

Got lost in my own world.

[Wawannabe]

53. This is a SHITSHOW!!!

[underpants]

55. ISREAL! Has anyone been more pro-Israel than Trump? van der Veen goes Philly caveman lawyer

He yelled at Raskin.

[Lars39]

59. Most miserable experience I've ever had in Washington lol

[Wawannabe]

56. Sanders asking question

Big Lie...topic

Are prosecutors right about big lie or did tRump actually win the election?

To both sides

[underpants]

61. Van der Veen "Who asked that?" --- Bernie (off screen) "I did!"

Van der Veen doing his angry caveman lawyer bit.

[crickets]

86. Thanks, I missed that it was Bernie. Go, Bernie! nt

[crickets]

57. Question was from Hawley and Cramer

If the Senate's power to disqualify is not derivative of the power to remove a convicted president from office, could the Senate disqualify a sitting president, but not remove him or her. Asked of both teams.

trump team: angry dancing man

House team: Raskin says they could vote to convict by 2/3 vote and skip disqualification, or take up disqualification as a separate majority vote.

[Mersky]

60. Lol, he is an angry dancing man

[Wawannabe]

62. I am so confused

I’ll be ok but I can see how the fredumbers get brainwashed. Fuck. I’m dizzy from the GASlighting!

[Mersky]

63. Sanders: are the prosecutors right they claim that was he was perpetuating a big lie or did tRump

actually win the election?

[nolabear]

64. Have they answered a single question yet?

[Mersky]

66. No, attacking the prosecutors is the go-to method

[crickets]

65. The questions are getting longer and longer, oof. 'Sen from MA' asks

Democratic members raised objections in the past re counting of electoral votes. Have they ever done so after insurrection and after president's personal lawyer asked Senators to make objections specifically to delay the vote.

Raskin: No, not aware of any other times this has happened for either side. In 2016 Raskin pointed out some FL electors were officeholders as well as electors, which is against the rules. Was gaveled down by Biden, who rightly said 'let's make this work' and they did. Agreed that Biden was right. Nobody has stormed the Capitol before or gone out and incited a mob. Attributed last bit to Cheney and lauded her for standing up for impeachment.

[nolabear]

67. The House Mgrs. should answer this "That's what we want to know!"

This asshole acts like the incompetence shown by the administration is the fault of Congress.

Who ignored it and why? He really wants to go there?

[crickets]

74. Not just Congress, Democrats.

The Democrats ruin everything. Honestly, it's a broken record and I don't how much longer I'm going to last.

[crickets]

68. for the trump team: Given trump's tolerance of anti-Semitic rhetoric,

Has there ever been a more a pro Isreal prez than trump?

Angry dancer is ba-ack. Says NO and then launches into a diatribe against Raskin doctoring evidence. Wow. Take off your shoe and bang it on the lectern or it doesn't count, dude.

[underpants]

69. Angry dancer 😆😆😆😆

I’ve been calling him caveman lawyer. Out of town Philadelphia caveman lawyer

[crickets]

72. Bwaha!

That is so appropriate!

[Mersky]

88. Ha!

[crickets]

70. Was there a Big Lie or did trump actually win?

*drumroll*

House managers are up.

Plaskett: Of course trump lost. Biden won, the electoral college has spoken. The only reason we are in the middle of an impeachment is because donnie couldn't handle the truth.

Angry dancer does not like the question and says so. Hubbub is gaveled. "Irrelevant! Irrelevant!" Refuses to answer and talks about no incitement. Attacks House managers again.

[Wawannabe]

71. This is just high school histrionics !

All of them are too close to the situation.
Cannot be objective. I knew this but it boils down to backbiting and bs!

I am so tired of it all!

[underpants]

73. Ted Cruz question to both sides

After 16 hours the House managers spent 15 minutes for new standards of incitement. (Lists them) Kamala raised money for rioters. Compare Trump to Kamala.

[crickets]

82. Raising money for BLM and incitement to insurrection are not comparable at all.

The Repub argument is so sad.

[BlueSpot]

75. Has the defense now asked for two witnesses?

First, someone from the White House who can describe when Trump heard that the Capitol was breached and what actions he took in response & when.

Second, The House Sergeant at Arms on why he didn't order the National Guard in place.

He phrasing it as how the thing was rushed and blah, blah. I can easily interpret it as a desire to call witnesses.

[crickets]

76. House managers assert Jan 06 attack was predictable

Why did House Sgt at Arms reportedly turn down National Guard citing bad optics?

Angry dancer is filled with glee and says, Dems did nothing! Suddenly there is no due process. Again.

Wants an investigation. First decent point he's made today.

Plaskett: do you have exculpatory evidence, please proceed. We have seen none. Points out president had all of the exposure to the news, had security reports and knew. Mayor Bowser does not have authority over NG or federal troops but the Commander in Chief does. Why did he not send help to defend the Capitol? He did not defend.

[BlueSpot]

78. Jiminy, is that you?

Sorry, something to do with the timing.

[crickets]

80. *chirp!* Hee.

[Mersky]

77. Long winded question from cruz

Was a winding path to whatabouting VP Harris. And said the House Managers came up with their own standard of incitement.

Raskin rejected the Harris dig as irrelevant to the matters at hand.

VanderVeenal: is requoting the altered Brandenburg standard they’ve been throwing around.

[underpants]

79. Good summary

Even in writing Cruz is a pompous condescending asshole

[crickets]

81. Raskin: If you yell, "Respect private property" on the way out of the door,

that's still no defense for robbing the bank. Good one.

[Lars39]

83. Ouch!Raskin...

Worst day....should have been here Jan 6

[BlueSpot]

84. Raskin is DONE with the "No due process" argument!

Says if he wants the info that only his client has, maybe his client should have accepted the invitation to testify.

[crickets]

90. +1000000

[Mersky]

85. Raskin! Wow!

[Lars39]

87. Bring your client here! Lol

[Ilsa]

89. I wish the House Managers had run that two minute video of

Michael Cohen telling Congress that Trump has always known how to give illegal orders by saying things like, "gee it would be something special if something bad happened to so-and-so."

And Trump's 2:24 pm tweet said nothing like "Thank goodness the Vice President and his family are safe!" Instead, it called Pence a coward.

[Lars39]

91. Accusing Dems of prosecutorial misconduct

F this guy

[crickets]

92. Another question about trump calling NG for Episcopal church photo op

but not for the EC count on Jan 6.

Plaskett points out he does have briefings to warn him. Everyone saw the news reports and warnings to be careful that day. trump had duty to protect and defend the Capitol and all of its staff. He did not, and made inflammatory speech and tweet/s about Pence instead. Pattern in practice over months leading up to the day, not just the speech. His behavior adds up to dereliction of duty.

[Mersky]

93. Oooo Raskin is taking away their Brandenburg

argument. So good.

Eta: the question was asked by Sen. Blumenthal

VanDerp wants you to consider tRump as more of an everyday klansman and not as a person of public trust like a fire chief, when estimating whether the pResident should be held to a higher standard than violent white supremacists as in the Brandenburg case.

(Somebody correct me if I got that wrong.)

[crickets]

94. He's doing a great job.

I am a little behind and a little under the weather. Cold meds just kicked in, so I have little coherent comment beyond, "Wow! That was impressive."

[CottonBear]

95. Good god! Stacey Plaskett is awesome!

“Most of you men wouldn’t have your wives if you’d only spoken to them once.”
(Referring to Trump’s many previous speeches ruling up the insurrectionists.

[crickets]

96. Good grief.

Angry dancer now answering loaded question that insinuates that if trump is convicted today, it sets up a precedent to go back and impeach a former Secretary of State. A future Senate could be forced to put her on trial.

It's not really an impeachment until at least one Clinton is mentioned, eh?

My mute button was pressed, so I don't know why Leahy gave the chamber a language warning afterward. Oopsie. What was that about?

[Lars39]

97. Next up Obama on the Bingo card

[crickets]

98. Thanks, Obama! nt

[underpants]

100. Been waiting all day

[Lars39]

99. Castro: trump pressuringelection officials

Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania

[Mersky]

101. Bennet: What would have happened if public officials would have bowed to the force pRes tRump

exerted or the mob that attacked the Capitol?

Castro starts by recalling how republican GA SoS Raffensperger was sent death threats and how much worse things could have turned out.

“It wasn’t one thing, he tried everything.” In regards to pressuring election officials and his violent followers.

[Mersky]

102. cornyn now asking a question

better not be super stupid...

Eta: alas, it kinda is...

Isn’t a pResident subject to criminal prosecution after he leaves office for acts he committed in office, even if he committed them in January?

castor: I zoned out a bit, but I think he said Charlie Brown could kick that football later.

Raskin explained how the Senate should act now to prevent future pResidents from acting like violent tyrants right before the end of their term.

[crickets]

106. Raskin has been outstanding today.

He and Plaskett both were truly well prepared, eloquent, and on point in answering every question.
eta - Castro as well!

[Mersky]

109. I'm in awe of them

So excellent, and every time I think of how effective Raskin has been given all that’s occurred, I am profoundly grateful for all that he brings.

[crickets]

110. So true.

He carried a heavy personal burden all through this, and you would never be able to tell without knowing beforehand. His concern for the country and his strength in doing such a good job in spite of his own pain is so inspiring.

[crickets]

103. The 'January exception' set up by trump team

will not save trump from prosecution as a private citizen for any crimes committed in January, right?

trump team: nuh-uh! We never said that! Konstitooshun!

Raskin: of course. It's about not criming. Don't crime. It's about not doing the sedition thing. And stop whining about timing, pls.

[crickets]

104. Q&A over. One minute each to speak coming up later.

Senate will be asked to award Officer Eugene Goodman a Congressional gold medal. Applause for Goodman, well deserved standing ovation.

eta - also a moment of recognition and thanks to all of the Capitol Police, Met Police, SWAT teams who were there that day.

eta 2 - clarification: one minute statements occur in a later session.

[Mersky]

105. Now nominating Ofc Goodman for the Congressional Gold Medal

[IcyPeas]

107. Poor trump

Link to tweet

?s=19

[crickets]

108. Nicole/MSNBC is not having what happened today.

Sad and mad that Repub Senators who were there that day are not acknowledging reality. Says trump's team were "auditioning to compete with Alan Dershowitz for a Newsmax show." There was no lawyering going on, just an alternate reality show. The trump team was incapable of answering the questions, just attacking the House team. Sets a really bad precedent for the next demagogue who comes along, and likely some of the Senators there are happy about it because it could be them. Ouch.