BREAKING: New details about Trump-McCarthy shouting match show Trump refused to call off the rioters

[StarfishSaver]

In an expletive-laced phone call with House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy while the Capitol was under attack, then-President Donald Trump said the rioters cared more about the election results than McCarthy did.

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said, according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call afterward by McCarthy.

McCarthy insisted that the rioters were Trump's supporters and begged Trump to call them off.

Trump's comment set off what Republican lawmakers familiar with the call described as a shouting match between the two men. A furious McCarthy told the President the rioters were breaking into his office through the windows, and asked Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?" according to a Republican lawmaker familiar with the call.


https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html

[underpants]

1. Nice timing by the leaker

Trying to clear their air as the impeachment trial ends.

[LeftInTX]

2. Yet, McCarthy voted to object the election results of at least one state

[Yavin4]

3. When Kevin said to Trump, "Who the f--k do you think you are talking to?"...

I don't think that Kevin wanted an honest answer there. I highly doubt that.

[Laelth]

4. Tragic that this didn't make it into the official record.

This is really damning.

-Laelth

[ancianita]

25. Why shouldn't it during the managers' rebuttal?

It's only "inadmissible" evidence in a court of law.

[Laelth]

38. I suppose it could.

I certainly hope it does.



-Laelth

[ancianita]

40. It's so compelling,

I hope it does, too. But on the other hand, leakers are not protected sources.

[Laelth]

42. It's not a question, to me, of whether or not the leakers are protected.

The Senate is not required to follow traditional, judicial branch evidence rules. The Senate can admit any evidence it wants. For me, the issue is timing. This evidence may not get into the record because it was discovered so late. Still, it could get in. It just needs to be on record before the final vote.

-Laelth

[ancianita]

44. Agreed.

There's no need to verify its accuracy at the point of rebuttal. The true source will come out later, and there will be no fight McCarthy can put up about it, because he knows it's been recorded by a three-letter agency.

[MN2theMax]

5. Interesting timing for sure

[brewens]

6. I'll tell you who he thought he was talking to, one of his stooges. That's all they would have

been if Trump had gotten away with it, and it was pretty much how he'd been looking at them all along.

That was maybe why the Supreme Court couldn't have been counted on to save his ass. I'd say Thomas and Justice Hand Maid would have just blindly obeyed, but no one else. Even Kavanaugh would have known better. If they did that, they wouldn't be a Supreme Court anymore. Trump would have ended up with a House and Senate under his control. He would be able to have any justice impeached and removed, if they even bothered to go through the motions. He could decree he had the power and just do it as emperor.

[jmowreader]

36. IIRC he thought he was talking to Tuberville

[ancianita]

47. Except that, according to the CNN report in the OP, "Well, Kevin ...."

[triron]

48. Trump knew damn well who he was talking to.

[ancianita]

49. You and I know that. I'm trying to help jmowreader's recall.

[dpibel]

52. Different call

Trump dialed Mike Lee, thinking he was dialing Tuberville. Rudy did the same later in the day.

The McCarthy call was a different one.

[sdfernando]

53. Makes me wonder why

McQarthy flew down to Merd de leggo and faced the 90 second mushroom again????

[C_U_L8R]

7. Republicans need to realize this is not over.

With every prosecution, hundreds of them,
for conspiracy, insurrection, murder, sedition, etc
this Trump treason will be brought out to the limelight,
For years. Years.
You realize that Republicans?
Now what side are you gonna choose to be on through all that?
Good fucking luck.

[crickets]

12. Yep. I have a feeling things are just getting started. /pacino

[Dream Girl]

13. Lots of movies and televises series...

“Republican Senators voted to acquit Donal Trump” forever more

[uponit7771]

17. +1,

[stopwastingmymoney]

29. Excellent point

[dalton99a]

8. Kick

[Amaryllis]

9. ANy chance this could be brought up tomorrow? I dont know the procedure. It's

closing arguments, right?

[milestogo]

19. Well hopefully they at least hear about it if they watch the headlines.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. I would think they could add it to the closing arguments

although it might get batted aside "hearsay".

What will happen after the vote is that all of this has to be taken "to the court of public opinion", although it will end up competing with the COVID relief efforts and other economic policy matters.

However it should be packaged for EVERY STATE so that the state party heads can use it to tie these loons to the GOP members running in their states and force them to take a stand.

[drray23]

10. and yet he did not vote to impeach Trump.

What the hell is wrong with these assholes ?

[BigmanPigman]

30. I know it!

I think the reason I don't understand their behavior is because their behavior and thought process is foreign to me and how I have been raised and lived my life. They must have a different value system and different levels of self esteem and respect.

[Solomon]

37. Shamelessness is their superpower.

[flibbitygiblets]

54. 👆

[Maraya1969]

11. Yea this should have been brought up during the trial!

[StarfishSaver]

15. They probably didn't know it.

New information is going to be rolling out for months.

[My Pet Orangutan]

22. The question is ... should there not have been a second article of impeachment,

alleging dereliction of duty as Commander in Chief during the riot?

[StarfishSaver]

23. I don't think so

Dereliction of duty is an essential element of the insurrection article.

And a second article wouldn't have made a difference at all - except to give people something else to criticize ("The dereliction of duty charge wasn't necessary and just confused and distracted. They should have just charged him with one thing".)

[januoro]

14. The media is eager to paint the GOP as normal

McCarthy is a trump lover. The Republican party is Trump's party.

[BumRushDaShow]

16. Well...

That seems to make sense that this was the outcome of a "conversation.

I remember the news reports as the Capitol invasion was going on (I was watching CSPAN and listening to my local CBS affiliate news radio station) and the commentators were indicating that multiple people were trying to get a hold of 45 and eventually, it was reported, the "only" one who supposedly made contact was McCarthy. Supposedly people were even trying to get his kids to intervene.

At this point, the fodder needs to be banked for election time - and not just 2022, but literally for THIS year for any states that might have state legislative seats up. They need to define the GOP as supporters of insurrection.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

18. Poor Qevin (Q-CA) haz a mad at the Insurrectionist-in-Chief.

[Takket]

21. and yet..........

here he is, kissing the ring, of person who left him for dead

i just cannot explain how these people think. and frankly, i'm proud of that.

[mcar]

27. Begging for IMPOTUS II's donor records

is what CNN is reporting.

These people are amoral, unAmerican idiots.

[matt819]

24. And they'll still vote to acquit

They are immoral, cowardly, and treasonous. And these traits will be in the first lines of their obituaries.

[hurple]

26. This should be brought up in the trial...

As evidence that McCarthy knows who was responsible for the riot... or, at least, did know on the day it happened.

Trump's counsel should be asked why trump refused McCarthy's request...

[niyad]

35. INSURRECTION, not riot.

[mcar]

28. Does this help at all, do you think SS?

I'm thinking no, it's too late. Which makes me wonder why now?

[onecaliberal]

31. I think this matters more than anything else to republicans.

Trump couldn’t have cared less if the mob would have assassinated Pence or any lawmakers. I hope the House Managers stress that point in their closing arguments.

[madamesilverspurs]

32. "according to lawmakers who were briefed on the call..."

So a number of GOP members of congress had this information prior to the trial and chose to keep it quiet until now. The party has jettisoned any remaining shred of loyalty to the county.

.

[ancianita]

33. Yet he goes to Mar-a-lago, remembering that he is only one whiney jackal in Trump's pack.

[sprinkleeninow]

34. Cable news--QGOP: the deadly Jan.6 capitol break-in riot not dЯump's fault or responsibility

Go screw yourselves in Slovak.

[Nevilledog]

39. ...

Link to tweet

Tweet text:
Jesse Lee
@JesseCharlesLee
The more I think about Trump’s quote here, the more revelatory it is that Trump truly viewed the attack as a way to physically terrorize Congress into overturning the election. That’s exactly why he didn’t call them off.

Greg Sargent
@ThePlumLineGS
Wow.

"Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are," Trump said to Kevin McCarthy, sources tell CNN.

Rioters were breaking through windows into McCarthy's office.

https://cnn.com/2021/02/12/politics/trump-mccarthy-shouting-match-details/index.html…
5:57 PM · Feb 12, 2021

[ffr]

41. DOES NOT pass the smell test.

I don't by any of this. Not one word.

[Squinch]

56. Why not?

[triron]

43. Now the need to call witnesses becomes more pressing Do it! WTF not?

[triron]

45. knr

[triron]

46. kick again

[superpatriotman]

50. I don't believe it for a second

McCarthy does not have a spine.

[NoMoreRepugs]

51. This story is delicious.

[crickets]

55. Isn't it though? I keep hoping another shoe will drop. nt

[Squinch]

57. McCarthys reply seems to have the following subtext:

"I'm not one of those idiots who actually believes the crap you spew."

[Pachamama]

58. I can only imagine what Trump's answer to that was....

He probably told his little Kevin that he is just like what he feels entitled to grab on women....

[Wawannabe]

59. ...