Doctors warn that Covid will become endemic and people need to learn to live with it

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

LONDON — More and more physicians and public health officials are warning that even with the mass rollout of safe and effective vaccines, Covid may permanently establish itself.

White House coronavirus advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci, Moderna CEO Stephane Bancel and World Health Organization executive director of the Health Emergencies Program Dr. Mike Ryan have said in recent weeks that the coronavirus may never go away.

To date, more than 107 million people worldwide have contracted Covid-19, with 2.36 million deaths, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

David Heymann, professor of infectious disease epidemiology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, warned in October that the virus appeared to be on course to become endemic. He reaffirmed his position this week during a webinar for think tank Chatham House.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/doctors-warn-that-covid-will-become-endemic-and-people-need-to-learn-to-live-with-it/ar-BB1dCMBV?ocid=DELLDHP&li=BBnb7Kz

[Irish_Dem]

1. More good news. :(

[abqtommy]

2. Typhoid, malaria, Dengue Fever and Ebola have been with us for a long time. (just to name

a few) I said last February that we can survive this. I see no reason to modify that statement.

[Blue_true]

15. SARS and MERS, to mention two, will take another run at us one day soon.

Fortunately, the two people in Dr.Fauci’s lab that developed the Moderna vaccine were working on a MERS vaccine (specifically Dr. Kissmayer Corbett) when SARS-COV-2 barged it’s way to the front of the line. There are four people that are almost sure to win a Nobel Prize, Dr. Corbett, Dr. Campbell (her boss and adviser), and the Professor and his Post-Doc assistant who developed the methodology for making the Coronavirus spike protein.

[dweller]

3. Watched Modern Marvels program today

on Polio ... that took what 30+ years to control?
😖

✌🏻

[llmart]

12. It hasn't ever completely gone away.

Some countries still have polio, albeit mostly third world countries. But yes, it took more than three decades to mostly eradicate it from our country. At one time the experts thought measles was eradicated also, but then it reared it's ugly head once again when some people wouldn't vaccinate.

[Initech]

4. Yes, but we won't be living in nightmare pandemic mode forever.

We're still dealing with influenza, smallpox and cholera - all of which were major pandemics at one point. We'll get drugs, better vaccines and treatments to deal with this in the coming years.

COVID will most likely just mutate into a seasonal menace that we'll have to deal with much like the flu or pneumonia, and that's probably what is happening with the South African and British variants of the virus - they're more contagious but less deadly.

[Maru Kitteh]

17. Not smallpox. Eradicated in 77/79. nt

[Initech]

19. Yeah but didn't that circulate among anti-vaxxers for a while?

I think that I remember reading this here a couple of years ago.

[Maru Kitteh]

21. No. It's eradicated. Gone. Exists only in two

Fort-Knox level security labs on the planet under multiple, diverse and redundant layers of safety.

[Initech]

23. Good!

If only we could do the same with COVID!

[Maru Kitteh]

26. I would happily volunteer to dig a hole until my shovel

was worn down to a bare post or the Earth's molten core was cooking my feet if we could just bury it in a secret location somewhere.

[Maru Kitteh]

22. Also, smallpox had a 30% mortality rate. THIRTY PERCENT. You would

know if that shit was still around anywhere on the planet.


It's gone.

[NutmegYankee]

30. With intentional inoculation that toll dropped to about 5%.

Basically pus was rubbed into a cut to cause a hopefully mild case. Famously George Washington forced the Continental Army to be inoculated in this manner.

[Maru Kitteh]

32. Just one more reason to get your CV19 vax!

Thank goodness we don't have to do that anymore! Not really sorry I missed the days of rubbing pus on my patients. On purpose.

[NutmegYankee]

34. It was 2 decades later that cowpox was recognized as a way to prevent smallpox.

Infection with cowpox served as a “vaccine” since that disease was so mild, but infection also prevented smallpox, until modern medicine made a vaccine.

I’m very eager for my vaccine. Even with the new variants, the vaccine virtually eliminates hospitalization or death. Sure, you might get symptoms with the S. Africa strain, but it’s aches and fever at home, not a visit to the ICU.

[AwakeAtLast]

37. I think that was measles

I had to get a booster shot because we had a mini epidemic in Central Indiana about six years ago.

[gollygee]

5. The flu is and we get a shot every year and live with it

We'll manage once the vaccine is out more widely.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

6. You are exactly right, my dear gollygee! Thank you for stating it so clearly. ♥

[Initech]

8. Yes everyone is saying that we'll have to get booster shots every year.

And I'm totally OK with making that sacrifice!

[shanti]

35. No biggie

A lot of us get the flu shot yearly too.

[Quixote1818]

7. Fauci and others have been saying this for months

The Spanish Flu is still with us. I don't see that this is a big deal unless you don't get the vaccine and could still get a deadly reaction. As the human race gets used to it then it just becomes another common cold along with the other 150 varieties.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/09/spanish-flu-pandemic-centenary-first-world-war

[Initech]

11. Yeah exactly.

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We still have cases of cholera and the flu pop up every once in a while. And those were major pandemics in the last few centuries. Hell there were even cases of the Black Plague popping up from time to time.

[Quixote1818]

41. I have to say, it was nice not getting a cold or flu or anything this past year

I work in the schools so I get sick usually a couple of times typically. Makes me want to wear a mask more. LOL

[womanofthehills]

42. There has not been a case of smallpox in over 40 yrs

It’s eradicated as a poster above said.

[Initech]

43. Yeah I'll correct that.

[WarGamer]

9. That's why the strategy must be two-fold, vaccines and treatments.

[magicarpet]

10. I'm going to permenently sew a mask on my face with a Singer sewing machine.

I'll clean it when I shower. Could I stick a toothbrush in my ear and wiggle it around to the proper compartment so I can brush my teeth ?

[Blue_true]

13. Comes as no surprise.

Over several millennia it will embed itself among us like the four common cold coronaviruses before it did. The only question is how many people will die during that process. We have one major advantage over previous humanoids that faced each of the previous four common cold coronaviruses, we have technological expertise that will allow modern medicine to limit deaths, if people cooperate (which is not a given).

[TigressDem]

14. WORDspectively... Endemic vs Epidemic vs Pandemic....

Epidemic vs. Pandemic
A simple way to know the difference between an epidemic and a pandemic is to remember the “P” in pandemic, which means a pandemic has a passport. A pandemic is an epidemic that travels.


Epidemic vs. Endemic

But what’s the difference between epidemic and endemic? An epidemic is actively spreading; new cases of the disease substantially exceed what is expected. More broadly, it’s used to describe any problem that’s out of control, such as “the opioid epidemic.” An epidemic is often localized to a region, but the number of those infected in that region is significantly higher than normal. For example, when COVID-19 was limited to Wuhan, China, it was an epidemic. The geographical spread turned it into a pandemic.

Endemics, on the other hand, are a constant presence in a specific location. Malaria is endemic to parts of Africa. Ice is endemic to Antarctica.



So like Chicken Pox and Malaria there will be places that Covid continues to need CONSTANT vaccination...




tRump, always thinking of his friends with "give-aways"....

"Yeah, Big Pharma," I thought you could use a boost in sales. There you go."



1/5 Million had to DIE to make money for Big Pharma. tRump just shrugs,

"Well, they are just the Sheeple anyway, you know herd immunity."

[Blue_true]

16. I believe that scientists are using endemic in this case to say that human

being will always have SARS-COV-2 circulating among us, regardless of where we live. It has jumped into our species, it will stay unless there is some extraordinary effort to eliminate it. But such an outcome isn’t a bad deal, modern medicine has the tools to deal with endemic to human beings viruses.

[TigressDem]

18. What is worrisome about Covid is the way it keeps mutating.

So from ONE stupid man REFUSING to deal with the Pandemic like a human being instead of a political extremist...


HOW MANY WILL HAVE TO DIE? 475 Thousand so far. (Just US deaths)
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=covid+deaths+in+us



630 Thousand by June 2021 is projected (Just US deaths)
https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america?view=total-deaths&tab=trend



30 years from now, will people look back at tRump in the horror that we do?
Seeing as the BEST way down from this mess was to take it seriously from the beginning and NOT create Super Spreader Events to generate "herd immunity" which simply gave us the gift of COVID forever?

[Blue_true]

20. Yes, Trump deserves a jail cell for his handling of SARS-COV-2.

Virus mutate fairly often. There are several paths that it can mutate to, (more infectious, less deadly), (less infectious, less deadly), (more infectious, deadlier), (less infectious, deadlier). From I understand from reading, either of the outcomes are possible, but a virus generally take the first path of becoming more infectious and less deadly, because that allows it to spread more efficiently.

[TigressDem]

24. Totally.

Yeah, they usually get less deadly in order to live, but then we can live with it and not have SO MANY DEATHS.

With a majority of THE ENTIRE WORLD trying to stop the spread of this disease, it is STILL kicking our asses.


Because of ignorance and greed.

[Blue_true]

25. We have a lot of really stupid people in this country.

Trump becoming president was proof positive. The rest of the free world is a lot more disciplined.

[TigressDem]

28. Because that is the way SOME leaders like to keep Sheeple.

The party of the rich just wants to keep getting away with making the rest of US do the work while they reap the benefits.

[Blue_true]

33. Any smart rich person would be working hard to help address

income inequality right now. Rich people believe that their gated communities, their elaborate hideaways, their bodyguards will protect them from anything, they have no clue of how foolish they are. What will protect them is insuring that every person in this country has a decent home, sufficient nutritious meals, good healthcare and income.

[TigressDem]

36. Smart and Rich don't always go together because GREED keeps them apart.

People think if someone else gets something that is less for me.... Short term, maybe.

BUT if everyone had enough money to pay their bills, buy food and have a safe place to live as a rock bottom standard, people wouldn't need to consider a lot of the illegal activity they do.

People who have no legal recourse to support themselves or their family they go to illegal ones.

MAKE IT EASIER for people to live in peace and make those that cause a ruckus pay for their crimes and pretty soon people will see the path of least resistance is to be law abiding.


Right now, being law abiding can still get you killed by the cops just for being black in the vicinity of a crime.

Right now, doing your appointed job under the law can get thousands of people trying to lynch you or beat you to death.


It's horrible that it is so difficult to simply obey the law.

[Blue_true]

38. You are right about rich and smart often not going together.

I have seen that many times in my life.

[Wicked Blue]

27. There will be new and more effective vaccines to control it and its mutations

This thought gives me a great deal of hope.

I was in first grade when desperate parents lined up with their children to get the new polio immunization dispensed on sugar cubes. Before that time, polio was a nightmare. I can remember adults talking about so-and-so's daughter who was in an iron lung, or someone who had lost a child to polio.

I grew up in a time when there were no vaccines for measles, mumps or German measles (rubella). It was whispered that measles would leave you blind if you didn't stay in a darkened room the entire time you were sick. That mumps sometimes did something to boys so they couldn't have children. And German measles we all heard, could kill fetuses if their mothers caught it while they were pregnant. When someone caught German measles, people brought their daughters over to share a glass of water and catch it too. This, people knew, would protect the girls' future babies.

I remember when you had to have a chest x-ray and an antibody test to prove you didn't have tuberculosis, in order to get a job that involved handling food.

We don't even think about those diseases any more, but at one time they were deadly.

[milestogo]

29. But there are so many fools now who won't get vaccinated.

[Wicked Blue]

31. We need laws mandating the vaccine unless there is a medical exemption.

Heck, kids can't go to school without proof of various immunizations.

[Blue_true]

39. Question. Do you remember if any laws on vaccination existed

during the times that you discussed?

I believe one of the key differences today is how deep misinformation can penetrate society. In the 50s and 60s, even the 70s, the predominant source of information was newspapers, and editorial writers had massive sway, if they pushed a societal action, that put massive momentum behind it. Today, any yaBob with a computer and malice can start a lie that hooks millions of people almost instantly.

[Wicked Blue]

40. I could not work in my college dining hall without proof that I was tuberculosis-free

That was required by the state of NJ.

Incidentally, I worked as a newspaper reporter from the 1970s to 1990s.