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Neal Katyal
@neal_katyal
Tomorrow is the day subpoenas can issue:
*Subpoena Trump
*Subpoena Pence
*Subpoena the Secret Service
No chance what we heard today was the truth.
Neal Katyal
@neal_katyal
This defense of Trump is like the upside down world.
bamagal62
(3,255 posts)soothsayer
(38,601 posts)MontanaMama
(23,307 posts)I believe the only chance that republicans might vote to convict is if they can be convinced that MF45 really did not give two shits about his VP. He knew Pence was in danger or worse and did nothing about it. Thats probably sitting badly with more than a few of them.
Manfred Arcane
(59 posts)but it needs to be made public so that they are embarrassed. Of course, lots (most?) Trump supporters are totally OK with Trump throwing Pence (and whoever else who isn't loyal to him) under the bus, or to the mob.
bamagal62
(3,255 posts)Had agreed no witnesses. Maybe Im remembering wrong? Anyone know?
former9thward
(31,981 posts)The tweet is the typical garbage you see on twitter.
calguy
(5,306 posts)This is sucking oxygen from Joe's agenda. We gave multiple crisis' to handle. Time is of the essence and I'm not sure spending a lot of time to still end up with an acquittal is the best use of our time.
bamagal62
(3,255 posts)To see people squirm.
dmr
(28,347 posts)I wish things were different, but ...
Too many times in our history we have not followed through in obtaining the truth which have allowed perpetrators go about on their merry way unpunished.
This was a failed coup. We might not be so lucky next time. There was a near attempt in the 30s, had Smedley Butler not blown the whistle. How many other failed attempts are there in our past that we know nothing about?
It's late and I'm tired, so I'm not sure I'm explaining myself very well. But I want the investigations to go deep, and the traitors punished.
President Biden's Administration can handle crises and repair the damages that Donald and his mob inflicted upon our nation.
Pelosi and Schumer can multitask investigations and legislating in Congress.
Merrick Garland, once confirmed, can repair and lead the DOJ. I heard he's considering applying RICO beginning with the politicians on this failed coup -- which if he does -- it makes me very, very happy.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)But they don't need to be done as part of the impeachment trial.
SergeStorms
(19,193 posts)Without witnesses Trump's lies still live.
c-rational
(2,590 posts)takes a little longer.
crickets
(25,962 posts)I like this Twitter thread on the topic, starting here:
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I agree, and I'll explain, since there are so many doubters: 1) The Dem managers are brilliant, and made this choice based on their superior fund of information- this is not incompetence. It is therefore either strategy, or determined by things outside the impeachment
Greg Olear @gregolear
If I were a Republican Senator, the fact that the House managers are not calling witnesses would scare the shit out of me.
6:28 PM · Feb 12, 2021
and a little further down:
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5) At least some of the Senator/jurors are targets of this investigation, and giving them too much information before the FBI is ready would be a mistake.
6:28 PM · Feb 12, 2021
I still wouldn't mind seeing some witnesses, but given the massive ongoing investigations by the FBI, some which may involve a few Senators, it seems unlikely they'll be called.
calguy
(5,306 posts)I remain in favor of not calling witnesses and getting this thing behind us. There is ample time for Merrick Garland to fully and deeply investigate this entire situation once he gets confirmed. But he won't get confirmed until the impeachment trial is completed. As long as the Senate is bogged down with an impeachment trial that will STILL yield an acquittal is a waste of valuable time in my opinion.
BeerBarrelPolka
(1,202 posts)This whole episode really reminds me of a love affair that has ended. One party may plead his or her case about all the great things they've done, how much they love them, how long they have been together. They can plead how they dedicated their life and passed on other opportunities, how they put up with everything bad yet stood by and supported, etc, etc, etc. The other party may 100% agree with everything the broken hearted has stated, yet, it's over.
Like the old expression, you can't change people....all you can do in a relationship is try your best, be yourself, carry yourself with dignity, and let the chips fall where they may. The Democrats did all of that.
It simply does not matter to the republicans. Nothing, absolutely nothing anyone can say, do, present, what have you, will change their minds. It's over to them.
Repubs are toxic.