Do you think Trump wanted the MAGATERRORISTS to kill the vice president and Speaker on 1/6?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

It would have been the perfect pretext for him to declare martial law.

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[Polybius]

1. I wanna say no

At least I hope he didn't. If they did, he'd be in jail now. I think even he knows that.

[cry baby]

2. Yes, for the very reason you mention. nt

[TwilightZone]

3. Intentionally or unintentionally?

I'm not certain that he sent them there with that specific purpose, though it's clear that he wasn't worried about collateral damage.

I think the purpose was to stop the certification. I think his warped mind thought that if it couldn't be completed, Biden wouldn't be president. Nuts, but right in line with the way he thinks.

He is, however, a sociopath and probably a psychopath. It's difficult to ascertain his motivations beyond his usual malignant narcissism.

[relayerbob]

4. His tweet at 2:25 was based on Tuberville saying

"they" had taken the Vice President. The quotes so far have not commented on who "they" was. If we assume he believed that his people had Pence, then his tweet would have basically been the death sentence. Nero's thumbs-down.

[dmr]

23. That's an interesting point you make.

And, if this were anyone else but Donald, it wouldn't even sound plausible.

[ecstatic]

6. He wouldn't have given a shit if everyone was killed, as long as he could be

dictator for life or at least get his revenge in.

[Clearly fogged in]

7. I think magaterrorists is being generous

I think he knew who the magaterrorist was, or at least who he dealt with to arrange that one detail. So yes, he wanted it. He wanted it to the extent that he arranged it, and were it not for his army losing command of the troops a horseshoe would be missing a nail

[gab13by13]

8. Well if the story is true,

that he wanted to call out 10,000 national guard, I'm betting he wanted some Congressmen to be killed so that he could declare martial law. Just think if those aids hadn't thought to take the electoral ballots when they were evacuated. What then?

[Lars39]

9. States have multiple copies iirc

Built in redundancies

[jmowreader]

12. The Archivist has two copies

[Hermit-The-Prog]

10. Dictators need a catalyzing event in order to seize power.

The Radical Republican Reich would fall in line.

[StarryNite]

11. I think he was so mad at Pence that he literally wanted him dead.

[Maru Kitteh]

13. I'm certain he believed they deserved to die for not supporting him, that

if they did get killed it was their own fault.

I think he was gleeful about the violence. I think he was gleeful about the chaos. I think he was somewhere between indifference and expectancy as to whether or not Pence, Pelosi or any of their family members and/or staff were executed in the course of that violence.

His principal goal was a combination of hope that a situation would somehow result allowing him to retain power and also, terroristic revenge and intimidation.

[moonscape]

14. As usual, the only thing he cared about

was staying in power. If they got killed in the process, oh well. Collateral damage.

[JI7]

15. Yes, The plan was to Kill the Next in Line and Declare Mike Flynn as VP and Flynn's brother

would take charge of the military . The other members of congress would have been killed or arrested .

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. We're about to find out.

[Montauk6]

17. Deep down, probably not...

He was more like Jimmy in "Goodfellas" breaking Tommy's balls and egging him on after Spider mouthed off to him ("You gonna let him get away with that?&quot , and then pissed when Tommy guns Spider down.

Trump knows he lost fair and square, he doesn't buy half his own BS (e.g. you really think he believed he could get Mexico to pay for that wall?). He's a NY slumlord that's having a fun old time manipulating people, he gets off on it; and that actually makes him even more reprehensible than if he were a true believer.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

18. OTOH

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215104888

[Montauk6]

19. Might want to check your link...

It just goes to the GDF front page.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

20. TY/Fixed

Using gangster analogies Trump is more Paulie Walnuts in The Sopranos than Jimmy in Goodfellas. I have posted several times that in another milieu Trump would be a gangster, albeit a feckless one.

[grantcart]

21. No, he wanted the terrorists to come into direct contact with the Secret Service

They would use overwhelming fire power and kill dozens of MAGA insurrectionists.

Then he would declare martial law.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. That's an interesting theory.

[Montauk6]

24. This actually makes more sense...

...he is that devious.

[Brother Mythos]

25. I voted Yes. Is there really any doubt that Trump is, at the very least, a sociopath?

He may actually be a psychopath. But, from what I've read, psychopaths learn how to fake empathy, and Trump can't do that.