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Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:49 AM Feb 2021

Postmaster General Louis DeJoy 'plans to eliminate two-day delivery for first-class mail and hike po

Postmaster General Louis DeJoy 'plans to eliminate two-day delivery for first-class mail and hike postage rates' as USPS struggles with billions in losses

DeJoy is reportedly considering eliminating two-day delivery for first-class mail
Already, less than half of letters in that category are delivered on time
Plan would also see all first-class mail shipped by truck instead of airplane
Changes would coincide with a significant price hike in postage
USPS is struggling financially even after a record holiday quarter last year

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9256017/Postmaster-General-Louis-DeJoy-reportedly-plans-eliminate-two-day-delivery.html
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Postmaster General Louis DeJoy 'plans to eliminate two-day delivery for first-class mail and hike po (Original Post) Klaralven Feb 2021 OP
Fire this incompetent fool. C_U_L8R Feb 2021 #1
He's not incompetent, he's a saboteur JHB Feb 2021 #27
Ironically, he's maybe one of T****'s MOST competent hirings, since the GOAL was to sabotage the Grown2Hate Feb 2021 #41
Lock him up! bamagal62 Feb 2021 #2
Why hasn't this guy been investigated for voter suppression? dem4decades Feb 2021 #3
Get rid of this asshole. dalton99a Feb 2021 #4
I have a better idea: Let's terminate him. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2021 #5
how will they deliver mail to hawaii by truck? ship takes 4/5 days nt msongs Feb 2021 #6
Don't have a problem with that. $.55 for two day delivery is too low, as are rates for Hoyt Feb 2021 #7
If all mail were required to pay for first class postage FakeNoose Feb 2021 #37
Agree completely. A few years ago, I spent some time researching the amount of junk mail, etc., Hoyt Feb 2021 #39
This reminds me. ShazzieB Feb 2021 #8
Good idea. Let me add that to my list! nt ecstatic Feb 2021 #10
I can't believe that corrupt clown is still in place ecstatic Feb 2021 #9
I regularly send priority boxes from west coast to east coast on Friday, and they always.. Grasswire2 Feb 2021 #11
Only the Pist Office Board can remove him. Biden needs to fill empty board positions to do it. SharonAnn Feb 2021 #29
I paid $45 to send a PRIORITY envelope from PNW to Novia Scotia. Grasswire2 Feb 2021 #12
once again. USPS was under severe pressure, both political and financial stopdiggin Feb 2021 #13
I agree there were problems EndlessWire Feb 2021 #14
It's nothing to do with the universally accepted problems. DeJoy OnDoutside Feb 2021 #17
The big problems and have been for a while are twofold. Blue_true Feb 2021 #25
They're removing the retirement prefunding obligation putting millions back in the business live love laugh Feb 2021 #15
I have a friend who is a letter carrier MichMan Feb 2021 #19
It was funded anyway otherwise millions of retirees would not live love laugh Feb 2021 #20
That bill you are referring to also passed the House and Senate too MichMan Feb 2021 #21
Maybe because the Bush administration threatened to veto the legislation live love laugh Feb 2021 #23
It passed the House 410-20 MichMan Feb 2021 #24
It doesn't help your friend or the Postal Service. nt live love laugh Feb 2021 #28
Many people no longer use mail to communicate. Blue_true Feb 2021 #26
I switched to almost completely online payments after the mail started to fail me Maeve Feb 2021 #34
A person that owns a business can even get receivables payments online Blue_true Feb 2021 #40
Can't disagree with anything you said--especially the last! Maeve Feb 2021 #42
How the hell is Postmaster General Louis DeJoy still a thing ? OnDoutside Feb 2021 #16
Only the Postal Board can fire him. SharonAnn Feb 2021 #30
Yes but there are enough unappointed board members to be OnDoutside Feb 2021 #31
corrupt incompetent asshole, can't President Biden get rid of him ?? steve2470 Feb 2021 #18
He can fill the board back up to its full complement of 9, which would OnDoutside Feb 2021 #32
Hubby has great idea for him Politicalgolfer Feb 2021 #22
It doesn't work that way dansolo Feb 2021 #33
Is having 2 day delivery for local mail necessary or not? MichMan Feb 2021 #35
Its probably difficult to meet with the requirement for imaging Klaralven Feb 2021 #36
Why is this crooked incompetent ass still in charge of the USPS? [nt] Nexus2 Feb 2021 #38

JHB

(37,158 posts)
27. He's not incompetent, he's a saboteur
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:13 PM
Feb 2021

He's one of the nutjobs who want to dismember and dismantle it.

Grown2Hate

(2,010 posts)
41. Ironically, he's maybe one of T****'s MOST competent hirings, since the GOAL was to sabotage the
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 10:18 PM
Feb 2021

USPS overall (not just for the election, but it's been the right-wing wet dream to destroy it for as long as I can remember).

Can't get rid of him quick enough for my taste.

dem4decades

(11,282 posts)
3. Why hasn't this guy been investigated for voter suppression?
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:54 AM
Feb 2021

Didn't he attempt to disenfranchise voters by making their votes arrive late? Hard to screw the post office from jail.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
7. Don't have a problem with that. $.55 for two day delivery is too low, as are rates for
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:02 AM
Feb 2021

bulk advertising.

A 20%, or so, increase will put USPS well into black even with prefunding of retirement and healthcare.

FakeNoose

(32,620 posts)
37. If all mail were required to pay for first class postage
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:31 PM
Feb 2021

... whether it's .55 or $1.55 each or something in-between, it would eliminate about 95% of the JUNK MAIL that nobody wants and none of us need. It would increase costs for printed magazines, but most of those are going to electronic versions anyway. The magazines that people are willing to pay extra for would continue to be printed on paper, and maybe people would actually read them.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not rooting for DeJoy and I hope he gets fired very soon. However the USPS does have some fundamental issues that need to be addressed by whomever takes his place at the top.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
39. Agree completely. A few years ago, I spent some time researching the amount of junk mail, etc.,
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:59 PM
Feb 2021

and determined that a relatively small increase in rates -- I'm talking less than 10% -- would put the USPS in the black, even with the prefunding of pension/healthcare requirements.

There are a lot of things that can be done to make the USPS self-sustaining without changing its mission and basic operations.

ShazzieB

(16,357 posts)
8. This reminds me.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:07 AM
Feb 2021

I need to stock up on Forever stamps. Before NoJoy gets rid of those AND hikes up postage.

ecstatic

(32,679 posts)
9. I can't believe that corrupt clown is still in place
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:10 AM
Feb 2021

Umm... why is he still there???

And as far as 2 day delivery, looks like they've already nixed that. The last few times I've paid for 2 day priority mail delivery only to have the item arrive 14+ days later. I haven't complained because I know they're already overburdened and in trouble, but it is annoying/frustrating.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
11. I regularly send priority boxes from west coast to east coast on Friday, and they always..
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:50 AM
Feb 2021

...are there on Monday. Can't complain about that.

Grasswire2

(13,565 posts)
12. I paid $45 to send a PRIORITY envelope from PNW to Novia Scotia.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:52 AM
Feb 2021

Three weeks later it was on a truck somewhere on the Al Can highway.

That was odd. It was just an 8x10 envelope.

stopdiggin

(11,292 posts)
13. once again. USPS was under severe pressure, both political and financial
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:02 AM
Feb 2021
long before DeJoy ever showed up on the scene.

Doesn't mean DeJoy isn't a total jerk (w/ some malignant management ideas) -- OR that the Post Office does deserve the unflagging support of the public (it most certainly does). But I continue to be a little disappointed in the amount of DU readership that seems to be under the impression that this all evolved as an effort to "suppress" the vote in 2020. Just ain't so. Post Office had big problems way before that.

EndlessWire

(6,494 posts)
14. I agree there were problems
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:30 AM
Feb 2021

but DeJoy destroyed sorting machines that cost millions. That was not helpful. And he did it during mail-in voting.

OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
17. It's nothing to do with the universally accepted problems. DeJoy
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:38 AM
Feb 2021

interfered with the election mail especially in key battleground states, and for that he must be removed.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
25. The big problems and have been for a while are twofold.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 10:54 PM
Feb 2021

The requirement to prefund retirement pay and healthcare out to 75 years drains billions. No other government agency OR private company has that obligation (in fact, private companies have nothing more than the ACA Cobra mandate to deal with, and if republicans could get rid of that they would).

Second, the charter of the USPS is unique. It must somehow deliver mail to wherever people live in the USA. UPS and FEDEX serve only densely populated places. So the Post Office must deliver to places in Nebraska, Montana and other sparsely populated places, where two mailboxes may be miles apart - the private delivery companies wouldn’t touch places where their drivers can’t deliver to dozens of customers per square mile.

live love laugh

(13,096 posts)
15. They're removing the retirement prefunding obligation putting millions back in the business
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:54 AM
Feb 2021

No way is a rate hike needed.

The proposal wants more $$$ while service is lessened.

Dejoy’s doing everything possible to make the company uncompetitive and unpopular to kill it off.

MichMan

(11,901 posts)
19. I have a friend who is a letter carrier
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 09:10 AM
Feb 2021

He loves having the security of knowing his pension and retirement benefits are already funded.

live love laugh

(13,096 posts)
20. It was funded anyway otherwise millions of retirees would not
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:27 PM
Feb 2021

have gotten pensions for decades and pensions will continue to be funded without a 50 year advancement.

Prefunding 50 years in advance was established under Bush approximately 15 years ago and only served to hobble the Postal Service and as a Republican piggy bank.

live love laugh

(13,096 posts)
23. Maybe because the Bush administration threatened to veto the legislation
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:34 PM
Feb 2021

unless they added the provision regarding funding the employee benefits in advance.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
26. Many people no longer use mail to communicate.
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 11:01 PM
Feb 2021

I pay bills 100% online, there is no need to write and mail a check. The only thing that I use the USPS for is for shipping and package reception.

BTW, $0.55, or whatever it now is, for a First Class stamp is a bargain. In most other countries, you will likely pay several dollars for such a stamp, even if the letter is only going intra-country.

Maeve

(42,279 posts)
34. I switched to almost completely online payments after the mail started to fail me
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 09:47 AM
Feb 2021

I had one payment stolen from the mail (didn't get cashed, but got back the open envelope) and another that never arrived after 2 weeks, both happened in 2020. Like you, I still use it for shipping and for less sensitive posts (cards and the like).

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
40. A person that owns a business can even get receivables payments online
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 08:49 PM
Feb 2021

now, as well as pay business bills.

My point about the First Class stamp was based upon me living temporarily in other countries. Our First Class postal rates are very inexpensive.

I believe that the best model for the Post Office need to be a multi-pronged one. Rural and ex-burb areas fully need the Postal Service, the delivery companies would charge high rates to deliver to those places. As far as cities and suburbs, the Postal Service can act as a deliverer of services that meet the needs of a diverse population, from package delivery and shipping, to no fee banking services for people that need such a service.

But one thing is clear, DeJoy needs to be fired.

OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
31. Yes but there are enough unappointed board members to be
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 05:23 AM
Feb 2021

Appointed by Biden to sack DeJoy. Enough to give Democrats a 5 to 4 majority. It should have been done immediately but still hasn't.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
18. corrupt incompetent asshole, can't President Biden get rid of him ??
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:40 AM
Feb 2021

We all know he wants to gradually destroy the USPS so he can give all that business to his companies and the private sector.

OnDoutside

(19,952 posts)
32. He can fill the board back up to its full complement of 9, which would
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 05:26 AM
Feb 2021

give Democrats a 5 to 4 majority. The board can then fire DeJoy.

Politicalgolfer

(317 posts)
22. Hubby has great idea for him
Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:58 PM
Feb 2021

If he can't be fired, he could be assigned to delivering the mail....on foot....in the meanest neighborhood they can find...in the most frigid city in the county😁

MichMan

(11,901 posts)
35. Is having 2 day delivery for local mail necessary or not?
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 11:56 AM
Feb 2021

I see a lot of posts denigrating DeJoy without addressing the merits of the proposed change itself.

 

Klaralven

(7,510 posts)
36. Its probably difficult to meet with the requirement for imaging
Sun Feb 14, 2021, 12:20 PM
Feb 2021

After 9/11 and the subsequent anthrax letter terrorism scare, USPS put in place the requirement to capture an image of the envelope.

Around here, that means that a letter goes from the local post office to the local center and then halfway across the state to a regional office and is then returned the same way. It is fairly likely that a first class letter from one person to another mailed and received in the same zip code will not make it in two days, especially if it is hand addressed and only has a 7 digit zip code.

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