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Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:03 AM

Breaking: Whitehouse calls for trial to be suspended, wants to depose McCarthy and Tuberville.

Do it! Do it! Do it!




One way to clear it up? Suspend trial to depose McCarthy and Tuberville under oath and get facts. Ask Secret Service to produce for review comms back to White House re VP Pence safety during siege. What did Trump know, and when did he know it?


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Reply Breaking: Whitehouse calls for trial to be suspended, wants to depose McCarthy and Tuberville. (Original post)
servermsh Feb 13 OP
RussellCattle Feb 13 #1
marble falls Feb 13 #33
sfstaxprep Feb 13 #2
angrychair Feb 13 #6
pnwmom Feb 13 #23
Bernardo de La Paz Feb 13 #53
pnwmom Feb 13 #7
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #22
3catwoman3 Feb 13 #31
marble falls Feb 13 #34
babylonsister Feb 13 #45
marieo1 Feb 13 #57
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #48
sfstaxprep Feb 13 #51
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #54
MustLoveBeagles Feb 13 #3
BigmanPigman Feb 13 #4
madaboutharry Feb 13 #5
C_U_L8R Feb 13 #11
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #25
Progressive Jones Feb 13 #26
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #39
crickets Feb 13 #8
C_U_L8R Feb 13 #9
Hermit-The-Prog Feb 13 #12
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #28
Nevilledog Feb 13 #10
angrychair Feb 13 #13
Grasswire2 Feb 13 #14
angrychair Feb 13 #16
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #29
world wide wally Feb 13 #15
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #30
world wide wally Feb 13 #50
SheltieLover Feb 13 #17
Silver Gaia Feb 13 #18
Lucinda Feb 13 #19
MyMission Feb 13 #20
UTUSN Feb 13 #21
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #32
Baclava Feb 13 #24
Wawannabe Feb 13 #59
Cha Feb 13 #27
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #35
mucifer Feb 13 #36
Laura PourMeADrink Feb 13 #47
mucifer Feb 13 #49
Thunderbeast Feb 13 #37
crud Feb 13 #38
SunSeeker Feb 13 #40
PatrickforO Feb 13 #41
calimary Feb 13 #42
badboy67 Feb 13 #43
Mike Niendorff Feb 13 #44
moonscape Feb 13 #46
BobTheSubgenius Feb 13 #52
Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 13 #56
Blue Owl Feb 13 #55
Danascot Feb 13 #58

Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:06 AM

1. "What did he know and when did he know it?" Shades of Watergate. Perfect.

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Response to RussellCattle (Reply #1)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:17 AM

33. The big question in any conspiracy.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:07 AM

2. The Decision Has Already Been Made

They're wrapping it up tomorrow.

I've watched many of the shows tonight on CNN & MSNBC, and they say there is ZERO chance of there being witnesses.

Time to move on folks, and accept the country we live in.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:19 AM

6. That decision isn't until tomorrow

Plus any talking head was speaking based on hours old information before Tuberville statements and the context and content of McCarthy's phone call with trump. I think there is a fair chance of witnesses being called.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #6)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:52 AM

23. PLUS, the defense lawyers opened the door by repeatedly criticizing the House managers

for not doing enough investigation.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #23)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:05 PM

53. Excellent point. Especially now that their lie(s) has/have been revealed. . . . nt

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:20 AM

7. According to the rules, after the question and answer period, there is a 4 hour period

during which they can take a vote on deposing witnesses; and if the vote is yes, then they can spend time debating and approving witnesses.

I think Sheldon Whitehouse is being the stalking horse, and we should all support him in this.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #7)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:48 AM

22. SW is brilliant.. I'm with you. Wanted him to run for prez.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #22)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:17 AM

31. President Whitehouse in the White House could be a...

...very good thing once Joe and then Kamala have had their time at the helm.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:19 AM

34. Please.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:35 AM

45. The country I live in is feeling

better and better with President Biden at the helm, regardless of how this turns out.
Just not having to see that ratfink mofo45 makes me happy.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #45)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:12 PM

57. Sound off..........

Me, too...........but I will never understand why DJT was acquitted again. It makes me so sad. What have they done to our country. Sorry, I just had to sound off. I don't get it - one minute they were going to call witnesses and the next, DJT was acquitted. If you know what happened, Babylon Sister, please tell us.

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Response to sfstaxprep (Reply #2)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:38 PM

48. Wow... Guess it must have been more than zero%

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:55 PM

51. You Were Saying? nt

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #48)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 04:35 PM

54. This whole thing has changed on a dime. What a shitty

shitty morning of ups and downs. Made the mistake of looking at twitter ..maybe 80%? of Dems I read are like totally pissed.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:09 AM

3. K&R

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:10 AM

4. Hell yes! Do it!!!

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:11 AM

5. That is what needs to be done.

There are republicans who are involved in a cover-up.

As dumb as Tuberville seems to be, there is an obvious line in the sand. He doesn’t appear willing to lie this time. Surprising to say the least.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:23 AM

11. Hmmm... lying to Congress.

Sucks to be Trump's legal team. They will pay the price even if their client walks.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #5)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:59 AM

25. I think as dumb as he is, he has figured out that he has been duped

Newbie, with zero idea how Washington works. At first, in awe of being in DC and the president ewing and awing over him. Dinner at Trump DC...Sure!

But he's an effin coach!

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #25)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:03 AM

26. You beat me to it. Tuberville got pulled into this. They needed a dupe to fill a role. Sucker. nt

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Response to Progressive Jones (Reply #26)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:45 AM

39. An Alabama fan..but I still have an iota

of sympathy for him, I guess. On the other hand, I can totally see being swept up in it all... Any of us might have been.

Yet HE was the one who called it to light, right? That Trump called at X o'clock and said X ???

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:21 AM

8. Y'all, I have googled.

"duty of candor to a tribunal" is a real thing. Who knew? Well, attorneys apparently, but still.

Rule 3.3: Candor Toward the Tribunal
https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibility/publications/model_rules_of_professional_conduct/rule_3_3_candor_toward_the_tribunal/

Well, I'll be darned. Many of us, including the dishonest trump team, thought that the lying liars who lie could get away with saying whatever convenient thing they wanted. That may not be the case after all. Could be that tomorrow just got very interesting.

Thank you, Senator Whitehouse.


P.S. I'm wondering if Lindsey Graham and Ted Cruz are still feeling like smarties for helping the team.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:21 AM

9. No matter how or when the impeachment is shut down.

Evidence and witnesses will continue to emerge - especially as 100's of insurrectionists go to trial. Every time will be another black welt for Republican turncoats. They sure are gluttons for punishment.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:27 AM

12. "Republican turncoats" -- exactly. The Republican party is the anti-American democracy party.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #9)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:05 AM

28. Excellent point! It will be the tribble!

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:23 AM

10. Also👇

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:31 AM

13. Why would the WH request that?

So far I've got no explanation why they would make that kind of request.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:34 AM

14. Senator Sheldon Whitehouse made the request.

Confusing. It's late.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #14)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:38 AM

16. Lol



Thank you. That makes a lot more sense.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #13)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:07 AM

29. WH equals SW

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:34 AM

15. Whitehouse is one of the most intelligent Senators in Washingtom.

Do what he suggests.

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Response to world wide wally (Reply #15)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:11 AM

30. Why won't he run for prez? He's SO savvy and so erudite?

Just curious, because he has always seemed so perfect to me.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #30)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:22 PM

50. He'd get my vote

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:40 AM

17. K&R!

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:41 AM

18. YES!

I've been saying this all night! Call witnesses, those two in particular!

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:42 AM

19. ❤️✿❧🌿❧✿❤️

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:43 AM

20. Yes! Play hardball

They need to depose and call witnesses. Uncover more evidence, from secret service, FBI, social media, phone calls, whatever it takes. Let the trial continue for several weeks if necessary, as they follow up. Depose others as well. What does Barr know?

I didn't watch the entire trial, but I don't think they mentioned 45 firing and replacing key positions in defense and the pentagon. Or military leaders reminding military of their allegiance to the Constitution. Rioters thought military and Leo's would be on their side.
45 was hoping for that too. Paramilitary groups provided security to Stone and others.
They were involved in planning and directing things. There's evidence waiting to be uncovered.



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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:44 AM

21. Oh. Thought it was: "White (space, uppercase) House" - didn't compute. Great senator but speaking

for himself. Well, speaking for what we all want but still just something in the air. Not an official imperative.








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Response to UTUSN (Reply #21)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:17 AM

32. +1

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 01:55 AM

24. Twitter clickbait, this isn't THE Whitehouse, its Sheldon Whitehouse, derp

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Response to Baclava (Reply #24)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 07:42 PM

59. It happens again!

I was this far in the thread before I “get” that Whitehouse is NOT THE Whitehouse.

Happened yesterday too. I asked them to change because misleading. Didn’t

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:03 AM

27. Rt TY!

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:21 AM

35. Yes.. bottom line... This is Sheldon Whitehouse's idea. Not

anything that is close to happening?

If it isn't, wake me up

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #35)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:28 AM

36. I agree. He's not an impeachment manager

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Response to mucifer (Reply #36)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:37 PM

47. Nobody woke me up :(. Missed the fireworks this am. You?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #47)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 12:39 PM

49. I posted my reply 10 hour ago. Yup, luckily I was proved to be wrong

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:34 AM

37. Folks, This is the programs show

Criminal indictments and civil actions are in the queue.

Witnesses, subpoenas, depositions, and real juries.

This is necessary, but it is a political, not criminal action.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:45 AM

38. No matter the outcome

the truth will come out. R senators have to be thinking about what is worse for them. truth or consequences.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 02:51 AM

40. YES!!

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:24 AM

41. Well...that would do it.

Because they could not lie - too many people heard the calls, and were told about the calls.

Might be a good thing.

I was just talking to my wife tonight, you know, and I told her that if we went to the way-back-when, when we were both kids in the sixties, Trump would have lasted...well, he wouldn't even have made it past the primaries.

It just blows us away, how these Republicans can just sit there and lie. It drove me nuts when none of them would admit that Obama was born in the USA, and that the birthers were lying. And it drives me nuts now when none of the Republicans admitted he had lost the election.

Well, him getting convicted is a long shot indeed, but at the least the case is being presented. Our guys did a great job with it, too. Two of them are from my state! Neguse and DeGette.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:51 AM

42. Definitely!

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:59 AM

43. America demands accountability, not GOP lies.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:06 AM

44. K&R


DO IT.

SERIOUSLY.



MDN

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 05:39 AM

46. 'Calls for' and 'wants to' is not how

I read Whitehouse’s tweet.

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 03:03 PM

52. For one thing, the SS as an organization is arguably unimpeachable.

I doubt there is an agency more respected and trusted than them. Evidence obtained from their undoubtedly well-kept records would be a thunderbolt for the defence to have to contend with.

As a post of last night had it, it is inconceivable that a group of them, charged with defending to the death the life of the VP would not be in near-constant contact with the WH, and whatever leadership in the SS there might be that they report to.

I would be utterly gobsmacked if a half-dozen...even a dozen seems reasonable, given that a demonstration was expected...would just be out there, flying by the seats of their pants.

And my final thought on this...if there was a significant contingent of SS manpower - abundance of caution is barely even caution to them - a group of rioters inside the Capitol that ran across them would have had many sadz.

The rules of engagement for the SS in those situations are CONSIDERABLY different than, say, the Capitol police, and they are ALWAYS armed.

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Response to BobTheSubgenius (Reply #52)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:10 PM

56. Great points. Frankly, I am not normally in favor of violence of any sort, but a small part of me

wishes more of the insurrectionists had been shot or injured. Preferably not dead, but incapacitated in the moment. Or Mike Pence had been captured (even the worst part of me can't wish the gruesome gallows were used.) But, the fact that they were actually allowed to do what they did and then just saunter out of the building and go off and celebrate their crimes, is utterly mind-boggling to me, for many reasons.

Regarding who knew what, as with most things, what Rs say is easily disproven blatant BSt that their brainwashed base will nevertheless accept. This fiction that TuRdRUMP didn't know what was happening with is clearly Pence preposterous.

And speaking of the SS, here's a stupid question: would SS agents be bound by a subpoena or do they have some special exception? I assume they would have to testify if called in an impeachment or criminal trial, but a lot of things I used to believe have been shown to be overly optimistic (and I'm a pessimist!)

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:06 PM

55. K&R

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Response to servermsh (Original post)

Sat Feb 13, 2021, 06:40 PM

58. I was hoping the house managers

would adjourn the trial and depose witnesses and conduct further investigations for a while. You just know there's a lot more to come. A big plus would be it would drive the QOP crazy.

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